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Mk 677 What's the verdict

Just to add to this conversation... Starting igf was 170, after 3 weeks on OL's mk it was 240 which is the upper reference limit of the lab. Thats with 20mg /day.

Got bloat arround the first month. Then it went away, more or less. Got a lot more bloat at 30mg. Hunger? What hunger? It really didnt help me much with appetite. Its really hard for me to bulk so this was a side I was looking forward to. Been bulking now for almost 3 months and food is coming out of my ears :)

Muscle, sleep, etc. hard to tell. Was taking alphamax xt with it which helped a lot, so hard to tell ehat was mk. Im still on it. Its 12 weeks now I think...
 
I took 1 cap a day of MA Labs Somatozine. Lasted 60 days and I gained 10 pounds. Still have 6 of those pounds. I will be using again soon. There is no doubt it works. BTW this is not just something that increases appetite so you can gain few pounds. I didn’t eat much more on MK than normal.
 
I have been on 20mg mk for the last 14 weeks.
Hunger is crazy still. My dtomach is never full. I eat over 5 k calories day in day out. Wake up hungry middle of the night...
I tried reducing calories to 3k so i dont get fat but i just cant stop eating....
Good thing somehow all those ectra cLories get used up so my weight increases but slowly
 
I have been on 20mg mk for the last 14 weeks.
Hunger is crazy still. My dtomach is never full. I eat over 5 k calories day in day out. Wake up hungry middle of the night...
I tried reducing calories to 3k so i dont get fat but i just cant stop eating....
Good thing somehow all those ectra cLories get used up so my weight increases but slowly

Haha exactly how I felt. Put on like 15lbs In a couple weeks. Had to stop cause my work clothes weren’t fitting in the chest/back. Best bulking agent I’ve ever used
 
I have been on 20mg mk for the last 14 weeks.
Hunger is crazy still. My dtomach is never full. I eat over 5 k calories day in day out. Wake up hungry middle of the night...
I tried reducing calories to 3k so i dont get fat but i just cant stop eating....
Good thing somehow all those ectra cLories get used up so my weight increases but slowly

That was the main problem for me when running it, i was able to perform PSMF for 30 days straight whilst running it though at 30mg, this made it that much harder than normal, lots of water seemed to do the trick for the day but the middle of the night hunger pains interfered with sleep.
 
There were a few questions you didn't answer is the last post, one of which was "did you weigh yourself before and after you started taking it...and did you gain any weight?"

I did, my appetite didn’t really increase I just forced myself to eat more, weight stayed the same, didn’t even see any physical changes, no pump increase, fullness, zero
 
Wish I was making it up, I’ve done every off the shelf ph,ds there is or was 5+ years ago with great results, I’m 29 now got diet pretty dialed in and can gain slowly when at a surplus I saw nothing out of the ordinary in the 2+ months, took it like clock work empty stomach right before bed
 
I did, my appetite didn’t really increase I just forced myself to eat more, weight stayed the same, didn’t even see any physical changes, no pump increase, fullness, zero

I'm not calling you a liar, but you are LITERALLY the only person I have EVER seen that said Somatozine (or MK-677 in general) did absolutely NOTHING. Being that I know without any doubt whatsoever my MK-677 is 100% on the money (aside from lab testing, there are literally 100's of positive reviews, such as the guy above who said he gained 10 lbs), there are only a few possibilities here.

1.) You are a genetic anomaly.

2.) You are not telling the truth.


You see, without getting into a bunch of technical speak, MK-677 by its very nature will cause weight gain in everyone who uses it, which is why virtually everyone who has used it has said they've gained weight. You even said you "ate more", yet still gained no weight. Simply eating more than normal should cause weight gain, even if it is from the additional water/glycogen storage, but to eat more AND take MK-677...and still not gain ANY weight, well, that is nearly impossible. It would be like someone taking Anadrol or M1T, while increasing their caloric intake...and then gaining NO weight at all. Has anyone ever seen that happen? I haven't...because even if someone doesn't train at all, taking those drugs will still cause weight gain via water retention, which is why all the patients from the 60's who took Anadrol for anemia gained weight.

It's the same with MK-677. By its very nature it stimulates water retention both intramuscularly and subcutaneously. So, to "eat more" and take a ghrelin mimetic is a guaranteed recipe for weight gain, just like eating more and taking Anadrol is guaranteed recipe for weight gain, or eating more and taking exo. GH is a guaranteed recipe for weight gain.

Like I said above, I am not saying you're lying, but I am struggling to find an answer to your dilemma.
 
I am cutting and tried taking Somatozine at the same time because I like quality of sleep that I would get. But could not lose the weight, left me wondering why because I was still gaining 1 to 1 1/2 pounds a week on a deficit diet and walking around hungry at night.
So it definitely works that was just with one tab at night, I could not imagine taking two. I don’t think you are taking Mikes brand or you got fake stuff somewhere.
 
I used Olympus UK and Outlier nutrition brands of MK in the past two years of serious training... Both brands work well, increased hunger, recovery is boosted, etc.

Does anyone know if tolerance after long use happens with MK-677? My current cycle does not include MK, because while it worked well for a long time... I think it causes cramps after awhile?

I heard that was also a side, does it mess up electrolyte balance or something else? I discontinued and cramps largely stopped over Xmas break. For the first year or so I was fine with MK daily.

If tolerance does occur, what is the break time needed?
 
Wish I was making it up, I’ve done every off the shelf ph,ds there is or was 5+ years ago with great results, I’m 29 now got diet pretty dialed in and can gain slowly when at a surplus I saw nothing out of the ordinary in the 2+ months, took it like clock work empty stomach right before bed

What brand did you use? Im sure there's some bunk stuff out there. (Peptide sites, etc).
 
ive personally used dna and german pharma. all gave me lethargy when i took but not much other than that. dna seemed pretty rubbish.
i then tried a random unbranded ebay dude and this seemed to be a bit stronger with the lethargy but still not much gains apart from that.

heavy training and slight increase in food.

ill maybe try again in the summer and see on a different brand in UK
 
Let's not just gloss over the ones that it doesn't work for...

No one's "glossing" over anything. I am going to question ANYONE who says Mk-677 did "nothing" for them. Like I said above, that would be like someone taking Anadrol and eating more and them claiming to have gained no weight at all. Even if the person doesn't gain any muscle at all, weight gain is still inevitable with Anadrol due to the intramuscular and subcutaneous water retention the drug causes. It's the same with MK. By it's very nature it causes weight gain due to intramuscular & subcutaneous water retention. This isn't even taking into consideration its muscle building properties. In EVERY clinical study ever conducted, EVERY test subject gained lean mass--every one--and NONE of these people were weight trainers. The science and studies are clear. MK-677 not only causes weight gain via water retention, but it also causes muscle growth, so when someone says they ate more and took MK-677 and gained ZERO weight, I am going to ask "how" this is possible.

As for "glossing over" those people it doesn't work for, there is NO ONE ELSE who has ever claimed this...except you, but that ended up being untrue. You initially claimed that it did "nothing" for you (those were your words, "nothing"), yet when you were pressed you finally admitted you gained weight, which means that it DID work for you. You just didn't like the effects it provided. Not everyone does. Just like some people don't like Dianabol due to the watery look it provides, some people don't like MK-677 due to the moderate subcutaneous water retention it provides (note: the majority of water retention with MK is intramuscular, which is a good thing). It's completely fine to not like certain effects, but at least be accurate. Don't say a compound does "nothing" just because you don't like the effects it provides.

You see, we're PAST the point of disputing whether or not MK "works". Just like no one would come on here and say Dianabol "doesn't work", neither can anyone say MK-677 doesn't work...because it ALWAYS works...just like Dianabol and every other clinically and anecdotally proven drug "'works". Now, how well a compound works for someone, as well as whether or not the individual likes its effects, are a different issue altogether.
 
gaining an extra lb or 2 when eating more is pretty much nothing. I do not believe much 'gains' were made in strength or size. I am not completely knocking the substance but I am clearly not the only non responder.... I am only stating truthful facts...
 
gaining an extra lb or 2 when eating more is pretty much nothing. I do not believe much 'gains' were made in strength or size. I am not completely knocking the substance but I am clearly not the only non responder.... I am only stating truthful facts...

So, previously it was "a few pounds"e...and now it is 1-2 pounds while eating more (you left the "eating more" part out of your analysis the first two times you commented). OK. Regardless of how much weight you actually gained (I'm not sure of you even know to be honest with you), no product can guarantee muscle gains...not even steroids. I know people who have taken SD and gained only 2-3 pounds (which was all I.M water) and the claimed it did "nothing". Of course, this person had no idea how to eat or train for muscle growth (I knew him personally, so after he explained what he was doing it was obvious why he made no gains), which is why all 3 times he used steroids he gained basically nothing.

So yes, there are some people like this...and of course, some people don't notice good results due to **** genetics or some other issue...but it's not the drug's fault.

Aside from that, MK has clearly been shown to provide the expected outward effects in like 99%+ (probably more like 99.9%) of those who use it. Until this last month I had NEVER seen anyone say it did nothing for them...and even you, who is one of the two people I've seen say this, can't make that claim (even though your claims keep changing). MK-677 has done what it is supposed to do in every single test subject in every single clinical study ever conducted. It increased IGF-1 levels and caused weight gain in everyone...and of course, we have the 100's (if not 1,000's at this point) of people who have personally posted their results.

Did you get your IGF-1 levels tested? No, or you would have said so. For all you know they could have gone from 100 to 250, which certainly would have been substantial, but like I said above, even hormones can't guarantee muscle growth in those who don't know how to train and/or eat...or who have horrible genetics...or both.

By the time a drug has been through a dozen clinical trials and used by 1,000's of people successfully--with BARELY ANYONE claiming it doesn't work--I think we can safely say the compound works. In a few years it will likely be a prescription drug for muscle growth/atrophy prevention, as one of the original inventors of the compound is now attempting to have it made into a script drug. Anamorelin, which is a GH secretagogue like MK, is a script drug for muscle growth in Europe...and that is the direction MK is heading.

Anyone who claims MK doesn't work is ignorant. If someone came in and said Anadrol doesn't work, would anyone believe them? Of course not. In the case of drugs like steroids, SARMs, MK, GH, IGF-1, etc...there are only two types of people that don't experience the outward results it is known for--those who don't know how to eat and/or train...or those with **** genetics. There are no other options. When one of these drugs doesn't provide the kind of result someone expects we don't say the drug doesn't "work" or that the individual was a "non-responder". Rather, we say the person either doesn't know how to eat/train, or they have bad genetics (it's possible they could have an underlying medical issue as well). We don't say they are "non-responders" because that implies that the drug produces different physiological effects in those individuals relative to everyone else, which is not the case. The flaw lies with the individual's personal response to those physiological effects, not a failure of the drug to provide those effects. For example, if someone injects testosterone and their T levels goes up 300%, yet they gain no muscle mass, we don't say the drug didn't work or call them non-responders. After all, their T levels went up 300%, so the drug did do what it was supposed to do. Rather, that individual wasn't able to take advantage of that increase in testosterone to build muscle, which there could be a 100 different reasons for.

Let's use GH as another example. If someone uses GH and doesn't lose any fat, it doesn't mean that the person is a "non-responder"...because the drug DID increase the rate of lipolysis in them just like it does in everyone else, but for one reason or another the individual wasn't able to take advantage of that increase in lipolysis to lose fat. Whether it was due to a poor diet, thyroid deficiency, or whatever else, it doesn't matter. The drug still did what it was supposed to do. It's no different with MK. It does what it is supposed to do for everyone, but whether or not it provides the type of outward change that individual is looking for is another situation altogether. Fortunately, MK seems to provide the type of outward results we expect in nearly everyone who takes it.
 
I’m leaning towards messed up genetics, honestly, I tried FN mk677 a couple years ago I made a post about that ppl were praising the product, i got itchy pimply scalp like crazy, nips were itchy, ( I know not to play with them) soon had a little gyno flare up, lump on one side size of a pea sharp pain to touch, I’ve had this problem before after a dbol run in my younger dumber days of not knowing pct, but anyways I stoped that mk did some nolva and all was good, so I don’t know maybe I screwed my self up in previous cycles ����*♂️
 
Hey Mike, it says on the description page for somatozine that it lowers cortisol levels. Can u explain how it does this and or send me links to studies? Thanks
 
I’m leaning towards messed up genetics, honestly, I tried FN mk677 a couple years ago I made a post about that ppl were praising the product, i got itchy pimply scalp like crazy, nips were itchy, ( I know not to play with them) soon had a little gyno flare up, lump on one side size of a pea sharp pain to touch, I’ve had this problem before after a dbol run in my younger dumber days of not knowing pct, but anyways I stoped that mk did some nolva and all was good, so I don’t know maybe I screwed my self up in previous cycles ����*♂️

No mate you did not screw your self. That was obviously not mk. Mk can not give you gyno.
 
lmao itt its impossible to have a non-responder to something if you're selling it...

I 100% agree that the "non-responder" excuse is well overused around here and online, but saying its impossible just shows a piss poor understanding of physiology.
 
I am on Day 6 of my 3 month + new run, 30mg pre bed MK677 by DNA anabolics, i have had tingling in one of my hands today which i have had in the past from using this product, sleep is odd, i have very vivid dreams and seem to recover well but awake a few times through the night. I also seem to be retaining more water which i feel is aiding with strength in my workouts, i have been suffering from soreness under biceps at top of inner forearms which radiates down arm to fingers, almost feels like broken arm at times and aches bad, hope the MK677 aids with recovery and eliminates this. Hunger has not kicked in yet but did last time after around 2 weeks.
 
No mate you did not screw your self. That was obviously not mk. Mk can not give you gyno.

A lot of guys were saying it was a bad prolactin issue, it scared me so I didn’t bother trying any prolactin sups I just wanted off the stuff,!bought straight from the source too and was sealed. I don’t know I’m going to give somatozine another shot, I didn’t get any negative sides so it’s worth a shot I guess you got any coupon codes mike?
 
I am on Day 6 of my 3 month + new run, 30mg pre bed MK677 by DNA anabolics, i have had tingling in one of my hands today which i have had in the past from using this product, sleep is odd, i have very vivid dreams and seem to recover well but awake a few times through the night. I also seem to be retaining more water which i feel is aiding with strength in my workouts, i have been suffering from soreness under biceps at top of inner forearms which radiates down arm to fingers, almost feels like broken arm at times and aches bad, hope the MK677 aids with recovery and eliminates this. Hunger has not kicked in yet but did last time after around 2 weeks.

Dude I’ve been battling that same bicep pain for years it happens all the time to me when I deadlift heavy or bent over rows, only one arm same spot all the time, can’t help it I just keep pulling it
 
Does anyone have the information on drug interactions with mk? I'm thinking about running some accutane for some cystic acne but don't want any complications. I haven't been able to find any information thus far.
 
Does anyone have the information on drug interactions with mk? I'm thinking about running some accutane for some cystic acne but don't want any complications. I haven't been able to find any information thus far.

I am no expert, but I don’t think you have anything to worry about here as far as an interaction. MK will primarily just promote increased secretion of HGH and IGF-1 which are already present in your body anyway.
 
I’m going to try another run, How important is taking mk on an empty stomach before bed? My new work hours have me working out at night, I usually eat workout have a post shake and go to bed, what do you guys think? Mikearnold
 
I have used mk in the past. Pretty sure it was legit as my appetite took a big jump. I have heard it can negatively effect sleep early on and I just had the worst fragmented sleep. After about 3 weeks I couldn’t do it anymore. Has anyone tried another company and had success? I’m interested in trying somatazine but don’t want to waste the cash if I get the same effect
 
I'm thinking my first bottle was stronger than the second one I'm taking now or maybe my body is getting used to the mk...? I've been taking it ED. Should I try a cycle routine? 5 days on 2 day off? Minor pains are coming back, feeling sore again, not sleeping through the night, acne coming back.
 
I've been using MK677 for about a week for sure, although it might have been closer to 3 weeks or so, as partway through my LGD 4033 cycle I switched over from Olympus Labs UK LGD to a research liquid LGD supplier. I strongly suspect the liquid LGD was contaminated with MK677 as within a day or two of switching I started to experience a plethora of MK677 side effects, including vivid dreams, slightly fragmented sleep, tingly hands in morning and puffy/tender nipples. Now that I'm in PCT I'm using 10 mg/day of MK677, and am enjoying the benefits so far. Sleep has been very good, hunger has increased nicely (I probably was a little low on calories during the LGD cycle due to suppressed appetite), strength has been increasing very nicely and I've been putting on pounds. I am already pretty bloated up, but my diet the last week has been kind of poor with a lot of eating out. I will likely just stay at 10mg/day as long as I'm happy with the results, my supply will last 5 months at this dose.
 
I've been using MK677 for about a week for sure, although it might have been closer to 3 weeks or so, as partway through my LGD 4033 cycle I switched over from Olympus Labs UK LGD to a research liquid LGD supplier. I strongly suspect the liquid LGD was contaminated with MK677 as within a day or two of switching I started to experience a plethora of MK677 side effects, including vivid dreams, slightly fragmented sleep, tingly hands in morning and puffy/tender nipples. Now that I'm in PCT I'm using 10 mg/day of MK677, and am enjoying the benefits so far. Sleep has been very good, hunger has increased nicely (I probably was a little low on calories during the LGD cycle due to suppressed appetite), strength has been increasing very nicely and I've been putting on pounds. I am already pretty bloated up, but my diet the last week has been kind of poor with a lot of eating out. I will likely just stay at 10mg/day as long as I'm happy with the results, my supply will last 5 months at this dose.

I had the same experience and it is really good that "hunger has increased nicely"!
 
I had the same experience and it is really good that "hunger has increased nicely"!

Yeah it was a nice added benefit. I'm doing my best to keep the calories clean for the most part but I'm definitely less disciplined with the diet than usual on this stuff. Thank god it wasn't a cutting cycle I'm coming out of, no way in hell I'd be willing to use this stuff for pct in that scenario!
 
Yeah it was a nice added benefit. I'm doing my best to keep the calories clean for the most part but I'm definitely less disciplined with the diet than usual on this stuff. Thank god it wasn't a cutting cycle I'm coming out of, no way in hell I'd be willing to use this stuff for pct in that scenario!

Yeah, bro. You can.
 
Yeah, bro. You can.

I'm in the process of running Somatozine now as part of my PCT. 37 y/o 5'10, 180 lbs. Presently on day 4 or 5 I believe, but I will follow up in a month and let everyone know how it's working (I have two bottles right now, running 2 capsules every night before bed). So far, I have had the numb hands, and sleep cycles are segmented and more vivid as far as dreams. I am noticing an increased hunger, but nothing significant as far as physical appearance or gains. I am getting some of my old strength back too, not sure whether or not to attribute to the MK677 or the combination of other supplements I'm currently taking.

As a backdrop, I've been lifting for more than 25 years, jumped on test a few years ago for the first time and stayed on a lot longer than I'd like to admit. Either way, looking to see if my body is resilient enough to bounce back. I have to admit, the MK-677 is partially psychological for me, as I'd like to know at least something is working for me (and not against) me as far as losing my gains, strength, size, etc. I'm also running clomid, have an AI on hand, and I'm taking K1NGSBLOOD and SNS X-gels (in case anyone is interested).
 
I'm in the process of running Somatozine now as part of my PCT. 37 y/o 5'10, 180 lbs. Presently on day 4 or 5 I believe, but I will follow up in a month and let everyone know how it's working (I have two bottles right now, running 2 capsules every night before bed). So far, I have had the numb hands, and sleep cycles are segmented and more vivid as far as dreams. I am noticing an increased hunger, but nothing significant as far as physical appearance or gains. I am getting some of my old strength back too, not sure whether or not to attribute to the MK677 or the combination of other supplements I'm currently taking.

As a backdrop, I've been lifting for more than 25 years, jumped on test a few years ago for the first time and stayed on a lot longer than I'd like to admit. Either way, looking to see if my body is resilient enough to bounce back. I have to admit, the MK-677 is partially psychological for me, as I'd like to know at least something is working for me (and not against) me as far as losing my gains, strength, size, etc. I'm also running clomid, have an AI on hand, and I'm taking K1NGSBLOOD and SNS X-gels (in case anyone is interested).

Let me know your update please
 
I'm about a month into my bottle of MK 677 now, and I've found that the initial bloat has subsided a good amount. I look leaner around the midsection and my work pants, which were getting pretty tight around the waist, have returned to a more normal fit. I haven't weighed myself in a week or so, so it'll be interesting what values my bodyfat scale spits out next time I step on it.

I attempted to increase from 10mg/day to 12.5 mg, but found that the increase was messing with my sleep excessively. This was not an option as I am working 4x12 hour day shifts in a row. This week I'll be on a break so I'll get a chance to experiment with a little higher dose to see how it treats me.

Hunger continues to be high, but it has subsided a little bit from where it was initially when I started MK 677. I find that I'm continuing to add reps and subsequently weight to all of my exercises through the first month of PCT. The rate of increases is certainly slower than during my LGD cycle, but I actually feel really good overall right now, whereas I felt pretty bad for a good chunk of my LGD cycle. I found that I was in a bit of a foul mood for a good chunk of the time during the cycle, so returning to my normal happier self has been very welcome.
 
I'm in the process of running Somatozine now as part of my PCT. 37 y/o 5'10, 180 lbs. Presently on day 4 or 5 I believe, but I will follow up in a month and let everyone know how it's working (I have two bottles right now, running 2 capsules every night before bed). So far, I have had the numb hands, and sleep cycles are segmented and more vivid as far as dreams. I am noticing an increased hunger, but nothing significant as far as physical appearance or gains. I am getting some of my old strength back too, not sure whether or not to attribute to the MK677 or the combination of other supplements I'm currently taking.

UPDATE:

So I officially started on March 1st, which makes it a lot easier for me to monitor my progress. A lot of what has been described already is what I am seeing- better sleep, vivid dreams, but again- the sleep is segmented. Hard to describe this other than my sleep now appears to be 'grouped' in sections of 2-4 hours at a time, yet I still feel pretty well rested when I get up. It's not like when you get up a bunch of times during the night and feel like hell the next day.

Diet & Weight- The hunger side effect is real as well. I am hovering around 183-185, but mostly only because I've been showing restraint in my diet. I easily could be eating a LOT more, but with Spring/Summer around the corner, I need to show some resolve. What I don't like, and which I attribute more to myself than to the MK-677, is the sugar cravings. I'm not a huge 'sweets' person, but lately I've been craving them like crazy.

Strength/Performance- As far as strength/performance in the gym- after coming off a LONG cycle of test cyp cold turkey at the end of January, I was expecting a devastating blow to my strength and endurance. My endurance for sure took a big hit, but surprisingly my strength as of late has kept up pretty well. Not sure if this is attributed to the MK or the SNS X-Gels I'm also taking, but likely a little bit of both. Each time I get back in the gym I feel a little more of my 'old self' returning, along with the strength.

Body Composition-

I have not noticed any significant transformations or changes in my body, possibly until yesterday. It's hard to describe at this time, and probably too early to be convinced, but even without hitting the gym yesterday my muscles were still keeping a good shape, and my waist continues to stay reasonably small (size 32). I realized this when I tried on some clothes in a dressing room, and wasn't too discouraged about the overall shape I'm keeping since coming off the cycle.

Other thoughts- I did have some of the hand numbing that others reported during the first week of taking Somatozine, but it's either tapered off or is so insignificant I don't notice anymore. When I wake up, I generally do feel much more 'well rested' than I can recall (actually ever)- I'm not a morning person at all, but something has changed here for sure. During the first week I had a lot of lethargy, which also seems to be tapering down a bit.

I will continue to keep everyone updated with any significant changes.
 
UPDATE:

So I officially started on March 1st, which makes it a lot easier for me to monitor my progress. A lot of what has been described already is what I am seeing- better sleep, vivid dreams, but again- the sleep is segmented. Hard to describe this other than my sleep now appears to be 'grouped' in sections of 2-4 hours at a time, yet I still feel pretty well rested when I get up. It's not like when you get up a bunch of times during the night and feel like hell the next day.

Diet & Weight- The hunger side effect is real as well. I am hovering around 183-185, but mostly only because I've been showing restraint in my diet. I easily could be eating a LOT more, but with Spring/Summer around the corner, I need to show some resolve. What I don't like, and which I attribute more to myself than to the MK-677, is the sugar cravings. I'm not a huge 'sweets' person, but lately I've been craving them like crazy.

Strength/Performance- As far as strength/performance in the gym- after coming off a LONG cycle of test cyp cold turkey at the end of January, I was expecting a devastating blow to my strength and endurance. My endurance for sure took a big hit, but surprisingly my strength as of late has kept up pretty well. Not sure if this is attributed to the MK or the SNS X-Gels I'm also taking, but likely a little bit of both. Each time I get back in the gym I feel a little more of my 'old self' returning, along with the strength.

Body Composition-

I have not noticed any significant transformations or changes in my body, possibly until yesterday. It's hard to describe at this time, and probably too early to be convinced, but even without hitting the gym yesterday my muscles were still keeping a good shape, and my waist continues to stay reasonably small (size 32). I realized this when I tried on some clothes in a dressing room, and wasn't too discouraged about the overall shape I'm keeping since coming off the cycle.

Other thoughts- I did have some of the hand numbing that others reported during the first week of taking Somatozine, but it's either tapered off or is so insignificant I don't notice anymore. When I wake up, I generally do feel much more 'well rested' than I can recall (actually ever)- I'm not a morning person at all, but something has changed here for sure. During the first week I had a lot of lethargy, which also seems to be tapering down a bit.

I will continue to keep everyone updated with any significant changes.

Great to know
 
UPDATE:

So I officially started on March 1st, which makes it a lot easier for me to monitor my progress. A lot of what has been described already is what I am seeing- better sleep, vivid dreams, but again- the sleep is segmented. Hard to describe this other than my sleep now appears to be 'grouped' in sections of 2-4 hours at a time, yet I still feel pretty well rested when I get up. It's not like when you get up a bunch of times during the night and feel like hell the next day.

Diet & Weight- The hunger side effect is real as well. I am hovering around 183-185, but mostly only because I've been showing restraint in my diet. I easily could be eating a LOT more, but with Spring/Summer around the corner, I need to show some resolve. What I don't like, and which I attribute more to myself than to the MK-677, is the sugar cravings. I'm not a huge 'sweets' person, but lately I've been craving them like crazy.

Strength/Performance- As far as strength/performance in the gym- after coming off a LONG cycle of test cyp cold turkey at the end of January, I was expecting a devastating blow to my strength and endurance. My endurance for sure took a big hit, but surprisingly my strength as of late has kept up pretty well. Not sure if this is attributed to the MK or the SNS X-Gels I'm also taking, but likely a little bit of both. Each time I get back in the gym I feel a little more of my 'old self' returning, along with the strength.

Body Composition-

I have not noticed any significant transformations or changes in my body, possibly until yesterday. It's hard to describe at this time, and probably too early to be convinced, but even without hitting the gym yesterday my muscles were still keeping a good shape, and my waist continues to stay reasonably small (size 32). I realized this when I tried on some clothes in a dressing room, and wasn't too discouraged about the overall shape I'm keeping since coming off the cycle.

Other thoughts- I did have some of the hand numbing that others reported during the first week of taking Somatozine, but it's either tapered off or is so insignificant I don't notice anymore. When I wake up, I generally do feel much more 'well rested' than I can recall (actually ever)- I'm not a morning person at all, but something has changed here for sure. During the first week I had a lot of lethargy, which also seems to be tapering down a bit.

I will continue to keep everyone updated with any significant changes.

Nice log.

For anyone who wasn't aware, I think the following is VERY important point to emphasize, considering the circumstances of your Somatozine run.

First and foremost, you stated that you began using Somatozine just 4 weeks after you went off your last cycle, COLD TURKEY! The first 2 weeks after going off a cycle there usually isn't any gains loss, as the hormone will still be circulating for a good 2 weeks after one's final injection (when using enth/cyp esters). Typically, it takes about about 3-4 weeks after a cycle is over before one really starts to notice their bodyweight strength, and appearance going to crap.

In other words, you started using Somatozine at the worst possible time (if the goal was to notice "gains"). If the goal was to preserve lean mass (which I suspect it was) it is an excellent time to begin using it. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that you will be fighting an uphill battle the entire time you are using MK-677, as your lack of PCT means you will have basically zero testosterone circulating through your veins. That is a recipe for muscle loss no matter who you are.

The fact that you are saying you haven't lost any strength and are actually starting to notice small positive changes to your appearance is a powerful testimony to the effectiveness of Somatozine, as VERY few compounds can overcome the devastating effects of going off-cycle cold turkey. Under those circumstances guys generally lose a TON of mass and strength and look like hell.

Thank you for the detailed log you have put up. I appreciate it.



Note: It generally take a good 6 months to recover one's testosterone production (to within 80-90% of pre-cycle levels) after going off a cycle cold-turkey...and sometimes over a year, depending on what was used and the individual's resiliency at restoring T production. Sometimes it takes 2-3 years to nearly fully restore level and for others, it never gets back to what it was...even after only one cycle. It really depends on the individual, but even under the best circumstance I wouldn't expect to make a (near) full recovery for at least 4-6 months. This means that you will be fighting up uphill battle the ENTIRE time you are using MK-677.

If I were you I would start a PCT...LIKE NOW!
 
Nice log.

For anyone who wasn't aware, I think the following is VERY important point to emphasize, considering the circumstances of your Somatozine run.

First and foremost, you stated that you began using Somatozine just 4 weeks after you went off your last cycle, COLD TURKEY! The first 2 weeks after going off a cycle there usually isn't any gains loss, as the hormone will still be circulating for a good 2 weeks after one's final injection (when using enth/cyp esters). Typically, it takes about about 3-4 weeks after a cycle is over before one really starts to notice their bodyweight strength, and appearance going to crap.

In other words, you started using Somatozine at the worst possible time (if the goal was to notice "gains"). If the goal was to preserve lean mass (which I suspect it was) it is an excellent time to begin using it. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that you will be fighting an uphill battle the entire time you are using MK-677, as your lack of PCT means you will have basically zero testosterone circulating through your veins. That is a recipe for muscle loss no matter who you are.

The fact that you are saying you haven't lost any strength and are actually starting to notice small positive changes to your appearance is a powerful testimony to the effectiveness of Somatozine, as VERY few compounds can overcome the devastating effects of going off-cycle cold turkey. Under those circumstances guys generally lose a TON of mass and strength and look like hell.

Thank you for the detailed log you have put up. I appreciate it.



Note: It generally take a good 6 months to recover one's testosterone production (to within 80-90% of pre-cycle levels) after going off a cycle cold-turkey...and sometimes over a year, depending on what was used and the individual's resiliency at restoring T production. Sometimes it takes 2-3 years to nearly fully restore level and for others, it never gets back to what it was...even after only one cycle. It really depends on the individual, but even under the best circumstance I wouldn't expect to make a (near) full recovery for at least 4-6 months. This means that you will be fighting up uphill battle the ENTIRE time you are using MK-677.

If I were you I would start a PCT...LIKE NOW!

Thank you Mike, this is great insight- even answered a few questions I had in my own mind about realistic time frames for restoring the body's natural production.

I also agree with you 100%. I had anticipated devastating drops in my strength and stamina. While the stamina has been down, it has grown increasingly since starting the MK-677. The strength is very reasonable considering the changes to my body. I took my last test injection on 1/28/18, and understanding that right around March would be where I was weakest, used this opportunity to start the Somatozine. A real world example of the strength preserved is that, previously I was routinely doing 225 for sets of 10 on incline (usually 3-4 sets) while on 400-500 mg/week of test; now I am fully able to get sets of 5-8 (usually for 2-3 sets). Obviously, the strength/stamina is down, but not markedly so to where I'm depressed about it. In fact, I'm actually very happy considering the deficit of test my body has right now.

UPDATE:

As of today, I am now 23 days in. My sleep is fantastic at night- I fall asleep quickly and deeply (except for one night where I took too much pre-workout too late at night). The dreams are vivid at times, so much so that yesterday I had a dream I had lost I tooth and I was freaking out thinking I had to get to a dentist (within my dream). When I woke up I was sweating because it felt so real. When I wake up, even if I've only gotten 5-6 hours of sleep, I feel very well rested. I think I said this before, but I've never felt so well rested probably in my life.

The overall general sense of well-being is also there. I go through each day on a much more even keel, and even feel optimistic most days- which is not typically like me!

The body changes are also starting to take hold. I could have, but chose not to, eat like a complete animal. This has kept my weight somewhat static (~183 lbs @ 5'10"). I can say, if my goal was to gain weight, it would not be an issue while on this. I feel that the MK-677 has done an amazing job preserving my athletic frame, and my gf has told me she hardly notices any change (from when I was on test), people in the gym have complimented me along similar lines. I know I would not be holding up so well without the benefits from MK-677- which I still feel have yet to be fully realized. I picked up a second bottle and plan to run this for a while.

*Editing to Add: Lately I'm also researching different peptides, and strongly considering giving IGF-1 LR3 a try. I fully understand there's a much greater likelihood I'm going to end up with crap- since it seems good suppliers of this have all but dried up. To that end, if anyone knows of a reasonable and reputable source please PM me.
 
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Thank you Mike, this is great insight- even answered a few questions I had in my own mind about realistic time frames for restoring the body's natural production.

I also agree with you 100%. I had anticipated devastating drops in my strength and stamina. While the stamina has been down, it has grown increasingly since starting the MK-677. The strength is very reasonable considering the changes to my body. I took my last test injection on 1/28/18, and understanding that right around March would be where I was weakest, used this opportunity to start the Somatozine. A real world example of the strength preserved is that, previously I was routinely doing 225 for sets of 10 on incline (usually 3-4 sets) while on 400-500 mg/week of test; now I am fully able to get sets of 5-8 (usually for 2-3 sets). Obviously, the strength/stamina is down, but not markedly so to where I'm depressed about it. In fact, I'm actually very happy considering the deficit of test my body has right now.

UPDATE:

As of today, I am now 23 days in. My sleep is fantastic at night- I fall asleep quickly and deeply (except for one night where I took too much pre-workout too late at night). The dreams are vivid at times, so much so that yesterday I had a dream I had lost I tooth and I was freaking out thinking I had to get to a dentist (within my dream). When I woke up I was sweating because it felt so real. When I wake up, even if I've only gotten 5-6 hours of sleep, I feel very well rested. I think I said this before, but I've never felt so well rested probably in my life.

The overall general sense of well-being is also there. I go through each day on a much more even keel, and even feel optimistic most days- which is not typically like me!

The body changes are also starting to take hold. I could have, but chose not to, eat like a complete animal. This has kept my weight somewhat static (~183 lbs @ 5'10"). I can say, if my goal was to gain weight, it would not be an issue while on this. I feel that the MK-677 has done an amazing job preserving my athletic frame, and my gf has told me she hardly notices any change (from when I was on test), people in the gym have complimented me along similar lines. I know I would not be holding up so well without the benefits from MK-677- which I still feel have yet to be fully realized. I picked up a second bottle and plan to run this for a while.

*Editing to Add: Lately I'm also researching different peptides, and strongly considering giving IGF-1 LR3 a try. I fully understand there's a much greater likelihood I'm going to end up with crap- since it seems good suppliers of this have all but dried up. To that end, if anyone knows of a reasonable and reputable source please PM me.

I do. The company is called MA Research. :) That company is a sponsor here.
 
Thank you Mike, this is great insight- even answered a few questions I had in my own mind about realistic time frames for restoring the body's natural production.

I also agree with you 100%. I had anticipated devastating drops in my strength and stamina. While the stamina has been down, it has grown increasingly since starting the MK-677. The strength is very reasonable considering the changes to my body. I took my last test injection on 1/28/18, and understanding that right around March would be where I was weakest, used this opportunity to start the Somatozine. A real world example of the strength preserved is that, previously I was routinely doing 225 for sets of 10 on incline (usually 3-4 sets) while on 400-500 mg/week of test; now I am fully able to get sets of 5-8 (usually for 2-3 sets). Obviously, the strength/stamina is down, but not markedly so to where I'm depressed about it. In fact, I'm actually very happy considering the deficit of test my body has right now.

UPDATE:

As of today, I am now 23 days in. My sleep is fantastic at night- I fall asleep quickly and deeply (except for one night where I took too much pre-workout too late at night). The dreams are vivid at times, so much so that yesterday I had a dream I had lost I tooth and I was freaking out thinking I had to get to a dentist (within my dream). When I woke up I was sweating because it felt so real. When I wake up, even if I've only gotten 5-6 hours of sleep, I feel very well rested. I think I said this before, but I've never felt so well rested probably in my life.

The overall general sense of well-being is also there. I go through each day on a much more even keel, and even feel optimistic most days- which is not typically like me!

The body changes are also starting to take hold. I could have, but chose not to, eat like a complete animal. This has kept my weight somewhat static (~183 lbs @ 5'10"). I can say, if my goal was to gain weight, it would not be an issue while on this. I feel that the MK-677 has done an amazing job preserving my athletic frame, and my gf has told me she hardly notices any change (from when I was on test), people in the gym have complimented me along similar lines. I know I would not be holding up so well without the benefits from MK-677- which I still feel have yet to be fully realized. I picked up a second bottle and plan to run this for a while.

*Editing to Add: Lately I'm also researching different peptides, and strongly considering giving IGF-1 LR3 a try. I fully understand there's a much greater likelihood I'm going to end up with crap- since it seems good suppliers of this have all but dried up. To that end, if anyone knows of a reasonable and reputable source please PM me.
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You guys experiencing light headed after dosing in fasted state?

Upped to 20mg today and training was fasted, but it was hard. Very light headed, feels like a hypo.

Should i splitt the dose? Or eat something? Or dose later in the day??

I’m in week 3
 
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