ANY NEW NATURAL ANABOLICS
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Donnyballz16
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I’m currently running X-Gels with CEL M-Test for a 50 day run with the goal of adding some retainable poundage and then following it up with Follidrone 2.0 to lean it out a bit going into the spring.
I can post some before and after pics of the X-Gels/M-test run and then additional set post-F2.0. Considered a log like I’d run back in the day under my previous username, (which I forgot the password to and the password to that email that was linked to it so I had to start from scratch LOL)
I can post some before and after pics of the X-Gels/M-test run and then additional set post-F2.0. Considered a log like I’d run back in the day under my previous username, (which I forgot the password to and the password to that email that was linked to it so I had to start from scratch LOL)
blongo804
Active member
I got a good enough deal on MassMax (x2 bottles) to give it a shot.
I'm on my 5th full week with it (started 12/4/17) and up 5lbs exact. I'm not sure what to blame that on the most though as I also started a 300 calorie surplus at the same time as starting. Last week, 1/1/18, I added another 100 calories and may need to add another 100 as my weight has stopped at +5lbs. My current training regimen is a 4 day upper/lower split focusing on progressive overload, compound lifts primarily + isolation accessories.
Thing is - the weight gain does feel totally lean so far. Vascularity has remained the same, if not BETTER. My waist is up 1" as of two days ago but that might have been bloat. Going to measure again in two days because that 1" gain would mean it gained 1" in a week (last time I checked was 1/1/18 or 1/2/18) which doesn't make sense to me.
Overall I'm happy with it. If it's not aiding in weight gain, it may at least be helping keep the weight lean.
I'm on my 5th full week with it (started 12/4/17) and up 5lbs exact. I'm not sure what to blame that on the most though as I also started a 300 calorie surplus at the same time as starting. Last week, 1/1/18, I added another 100 calories and may need to add another 100 as my weight has stopped at +5lbs. My current training regimen is a 4 day upper/lower split focusing on progressive overload, compound lifts primarily + isolation accessories.
Thing is - the weight gain does feel totally lean so far. Vascularity has remained the same, if not BETTER. My waist is up 1" as of two days ago but that might have been bloat. Going to measure again in two days because that 1" gain would mean it gained 1" in a week (last time I checked was 1/1/18 or 1/2/18) which doesn't make sense to me.
Overall I'm happy with it. If it's not aiding in weight gain, it may at least be helping keep the weight lean.
jt75
Well-known member
Haven't tried massmax but have tried other performax products and they are excellent and contain top quality compounds.
Not very well known? Do your homework and check out the logs
mbonheur
Active member
I am currently running some cheap Tribulus 90% (obviously Bulls...) at 4 grams a day (which is double the recommended dosage) 500 caps at 500mg were less than 20$ (it is sold in Germany or via Amazon).
I am three weeks in, strength is up, recovery is better and mood is good. So basically what test boosters at 30-40$ are doing, and I have tried them all.
I think I will stick with this, save some money and rotate with my beloved Turkesterone extract which performs better in the recovery department.
I am three weeks in, strength is up, recovery is better and mood is good. So basically what test boosters at 30-40$ are doing, and I have tried them all.
I think I will stick with this, save some money and rotate with my beloved Turkesterone extract which performs better in the recovery department.
jt75
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Theres your eBay link so that proves you wrong for a start.
Just because reps who you know have never heard of it doesn't mean it's bunk, you will find a lot of knowledgeable people in this forum and a lot of new and old products that you've never heard of.
I see you only have 3 posts so welcome to AM and enjoy your stay.
jt75
Well-known member
Point taken, have you tried fd2 or follidrone 2.0 as it's called?
Check out those logs and the company who makes it Black Lion Research is about to launch a product called Vector. Testing showed an average 12lbs gain in mass over 30 days and the final product will have 150% of the test product. Stoked for that launch
xR1pp3Rx
Legend
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Sure, there is plenty of room for a stronger natty product but until its found and actually makes it to market, you got to give the current stuff a chance.. have you ran ARA, FD2, or any of the other natty products out now? you mention PH gains.. do you use them??
I only say this because if your expecting PH like gains from natural products you better be certain you haven't washed out your receptors with PH/DSs. because the actions are subtle you need a clean system to really appreciate the power of these products. I tend to agree with most of what your saying so don't misconstrue what Im driving at.
Sure, there is plenty of room for a stronger natty product but until its found and actually makes it to market, you got to give the current stuff a chance.. have you ran ARA, FD2, or any of the other natty products out now? you mention PH gains.. do you use them??
I only say this because if your expecting PH like gains from natural products you better be certain you haven't washed out your receptors with PH/DSs. because the actions are subtle you need a clean system to really appreciate the power of these products. I tend to agree with most of what your saying so don't misconstrue what Im driving at.
Adizzle1
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You can say whatever you want but the unbiased results speak for themselves. No one is sitting here saying people are gaining 5lbs of lean muscle tissue in 4 weeks; but with the increase in appetite, increase glycogen storage, increased muscle protein synthesis etc. Gaining 5lbs on 4 weeks of MassMax is actually quite common and on the lower end.
You clearly just started saying things without even looking at what your saying. Its on Ebay, its on Amazon, and in actuality, we don't want it on either, but it still manages to get on those sites.
Google Performax, were literally in almost every top online site; Strong Supps, Nutriverse, AOne, DPS, Lockout, TF Supplements, IPYU etc. We actually do not take on anymore online retailers cause were already carried by a majority of the top ones were more then accessible online.
chedapalooza
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Big fan of massmax, ep1logue, and x gels. ABE was great as well. I have some follidrone 2.0 on the way as well that I’ll be running for an extended period of time so I’ll be able to provide some great feedback and comparisons to the other products. Have not used massacr3 but other laxo products have always put mass on me, albeit it seemed to be a little wet, but also did wonders for my joints and mobility. And although not designed/marketed as an Anabolic, Glycøshield can certainly serve as one as it will allow you to eat well above maintenance, mainly by way of carbs, to continuously add lean mass and limit/eliminate fat gain in the process
justhere4comm
Banned
I'm joining you with the Follidrone 2.0 Got my bottle in today.
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jgntyce
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Enjoy FD2, brother!
AntM1564
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I think he meant 8 weeks. I have seen users report 7 pounds in 8 weeks which is great for a natural product. These users have reported increase vascularity, muscle fullness, and a better body composition. That is pretty good for a natty product.
justhere4comm
Banned
Maybe just try the product and log it.
Adizzle1
Board Sponsor
As stated we actively try to keep Performax off of eBay and Amazon, as they generally underprice below MAP and devalue the brand, so the fact we're not blasted across those 2 websites is not at all surprising and also not at all linked to the effectiveness or popularity of the product.
Search ability/SEO also has nothing to do with the popularity of a product, it's simply digital marketing and the ability to ping high for specific key words so again that means almost nothing. Search the term you just said, Growth Factor 9 and TestroVax from GNC are one of the first. Do you think it's cause those two are the best for muscle growth or cause GNC has the money to be top listed for specific key words. This point is not even relevant to the effectiveness or popularity of MassMax.
I understand the skepticism but please realize we didn't make this product and go around start claiming people are gaining 5lbs in 4 weeks. We're simply relaying what loggers are reporting. I quoted 5-6 people that have all said the same thing on unbiased reviews and there's plenty more! We appreciate the feedback but we're not just pulling a number out of the air, it's simply what users are reporting. Would be interested for you to try the product yourself.
BBiceps
Well-known member
I’m with you, people on here are more focused on the scale than actual quality gains, I mean, I can easily gain 5 lbs in 1 weekend of eating like a fat ass, it won’t be pretty but I can do that all natural.
Naw, give me something that actually give me some quality strength&muscle instead, being a fat ass I can do all by myself
rowz4broz
Well-known member
Chiming in here, I think this post is on point 100%. I have tried a plethora of natty anabolics, but have not yet tried massmax. (Due to me usually always trying to reduce fat/recomp) However I see that mass max can be used in this way. I will give it a try sometime down the pipeline.
Mixelflick
Active member
I remember when it hit the UK I was one of the first to jump on progenadrex around 2014 or 2015.
Awesome workout pumps and ravenous appetite, clothes became a lot tighter a lot quicker. Solid choice for lean bulking, that was a great formulation Rob
Thank you! I appreciate the accolades and gratefully, most user reviews note the same. As I stated earlier, food is the most anabolic substance you can put in your body. And Progenadrex allows you to eat more of it and re-partition more of it toward muscle and away from fat.
It really is ridiculous the gov't has taken hormones away from us as a reasonably safe method of gaining size and strength. They've been around for over 60 years, their side effects are known, and the way to deal with those are known too. But I/we don't make the laws, we just live with them. Progenadrex was my best crack at it, and I'm grateful that years later you and others are still gaining...
hvactech
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Mehhh.. stick to anabeta or elite if that's the case
brundel
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Wont be long now.
VECTOR, the next natural anabolic from Black Lion Research is on the way.
We are already into raw material extraction and I suspect we will be ready to roll in 2 weeks or so.
This stuff has tested extremely well.
You will understand how and why when you see the breakdown on this product. Its overall blend of chemical constituents is very interesting.
This is going to be a great mass builder as it increases hunger.
All of the testers from single ingredient testers through the final product gained weight but the final test product has been the most interesting.
-Androgenic effects such as libido, aggression etc.
-Anabolic effects, muscle growth, anti catabolic
-Strength more than 1 tester hit PRs while testing.
-Fat loss everyone mentioned at least some fat loss while gaining weight overall. Was common to see overall weight increase of 7+ lbs but with fat loss so actual increase was likely in the 10+lbs range.
-Performance enhancement was reported by most. Endurance, less fatigue, faster recovery.
Once the raws land Ill release a writeup with a detailed outline of the ingredients and how they work.
There will be a brief pre sale. Maybe 24 hours, then normal sales will begin.
Again we expect less than 3 weeks.
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VECTOR, the next natural anabolic from Black Lion Research is on the way.
We are already into raw material extraction and I suspect we will be ready to roll in 2 weeks or so.
This stuff has tested extremely well.
You will understand how and why when you see the breakdown on this product. Its overall blend of chemical constituents is very interesting.
This is going to be a great mass builder as it increases hunger.
All of the testers from single ingredient testers through the final product gained weight but the final test product has been the most interesting.
-Androgenic effects such as libido, aggression etc.
-Anabolic effects, muscle growth, anti catabolic
-Strength more than 1 tester hit PRs while testing.
-Fat loss everyone mentioned at least some fat loss while gaining weight overall. Was common to see overall weight increase of 7+ lbs but with fat loss so actual increase was likely in the 10+lbs range.
-Performance enhancement was reported by most. Endurance, less fatigue, faster recovery.
Once the raws land Ill release a writeup with a detailed outline of the ingredients and how they work.
There will be a brief pre sale. Maybe 24 hours, then normal sales will begin.
Again we expect less than 3 weeks.
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jt75
Well-known member
What were Vectors effects on cholesterol?
brundel
Board Sponsor
Not sure the answer to this currently. Ask when we get close to launch. Well have more labs.
jgntyce
Board Sponsor
Black Lion Research will dominate 2018!!
brundel
Board Sponsor
After digging into research I would say its safe to say you would likely see an improvement overall.
GNO
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Say more...Vector gonna rock the supplement world in 2018
Like a rock I put on top of loose papers to hold them down?
iamyourfather
Active member
jt75
Well-known member
So are we but all good things come to those who wait
GNO
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rowz4broz
Well-known member
Personally, I’m surprised by your lack of knowledge in your competitors offerings. I would have thought that would be something good to know when differentiating your product with the competitions product.
MassMax has been around for a little while now and it’s a Performax Labs product.
Vector is a new offering from BLR.
Users/beta testers of both products are reporting significant gains while supplementing with these natural anabolics.
iamyourfather
Active member
do you really feel that OL is looking what their competitors are doing before they release or formulate their product? if you check their products they are the ones with the products that other companies check before they formulate their products, in my objective and unbiased opinion.
tho im still interested to compare vector with ep1/massacr3
thebigt
Legend
Vector gonna rock the supplement world in 2018
TR1UMPH will be tr1umphant.....
rowz4broz
Well-known member
If a customer were to ask me:
“Is MassMax or Ep1louge better suited for my goals”
As a customer I wouldn’t want to hear
“I’ve never heard of that product”
Especially since they are a board sponsor and their product is in direct competition with another board sponsored product.
To your other point I have seen no other products(other then MassMax) from the board sponsors that contain Rhaponticum Carthamoides.
IMO- from a tactical marketing and sales perspective it would behoove any company to be aware of their products competition.
chedapalooza
Legend
This is why I’ve personally tried pretty much every GDA under the sun. I will also say that I use OlympusLabs Assassinate alongside my Glycøshield.
But I have tried every GDA worth trying and have my thoughts on all of them... I had to use SOMETHING for the 3 years recompadrol was gone until we brought out glyco lol
big_jewels
Member
I've seen great gains from OL Ep1logue and K1ngsblood.
rowz4broz
Well-known member
Funny that you have been liking my posts and quoting me because I recall you specifically saying you were going to purchase C&P predator and put it head to head with GlycoShield. That is the kind of market research/awareness I’m talking about.
chedapalooza
Legend
Yup and I did and posted a pic of myself w it lol. I’m not sold on the cyclodextrin berb. It’s a very small amount. I do like the pterostilbene but am also not a fan of cinnamon in gdas and the label does not disclose what the corsolic acid % extract is so lots of holes in my honest opinion. The chromium is a nice touch but is super inexpensive and can be purchased as an add on to Glycøshield for like 4 bucks in any health store if someone wanted to. Same with Agmatine.. cheap and in so many other products that it’s not worthwhile to include. Glycøshield has zero fluff ingredients. That’s why is incredibly strong capsule for capsule
There’s a massive difference between ingredients that look good on a label and ingredients that actually get the job done.
rowz4broz
Well-known member
While personally I think highly of C&P predator as it seemed to work well for me. This post of yours is exactly what I was eluding to in my original post. You have a great understanding of your competitors product and can easily differentiate it from yours.
FYI - A bottle of GlycoShield came in the mail today for me. Very excited to try it
chedapalooza
Legend
While personally I think highly of C&P predator as it seemed to work well for me. This post of yours is exactly what I was eluding to in my original post. You have a great understanding of your competitors product and can easily differentiate it from yours.
FYI - A bottle of GlycoShield came in the mail today for me. Very excited to try it
100% they have some great stuff and I’ve seen legitimate reviews on pred so not knocking it. I’d never talk negatively about a competitor, I simply wouldn’t talk about it. Let us/me know what you think after a while using glyco and again, thank you for the order
GNO
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I respect your opinion. We do have some very capable boards reps who stay up to date on what other companies are doing, I have other duties is all. But honestly our company strategy is to be on the leading edge so it’s not a focus area.
My inquiry was more from a personal point of view. I must say I question a product that gives every tester the same weight gain (5-6 lbs) that’s a pretty tight band wouldn’t you say? Given difference in body physiology, diet, training routine etc I know a guy who shoots test who can’t gain muscle like me natty so ppl on the same supp gain the exact same size I raise an eye brow. Not throwing stones I’m just skeptical.
justhere4comm
Banned
NoAddedHmones
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Do you even know whats in the product yet?