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NTNM - Diet , my un-scientific approach to leanness

Studhorse said:
now we need serious logs as well. We still need to learn more than just being a smart a ss. SFreed
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What about mine. I have the only log where you can come read a novel without having too many other people interrupting the rambling...
 
Whisky said:
Wtf do you google to find that, I’m also laughing and slightly turned on at the same time......an interesting combination of emotions
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I guess google is auto-tuned to show me this, because of my search history, LOL!
 
Well, at least there's no dyck flopping around in this one.
 
Whisky said:
Wtf do you google to find that, I’m also laughing and slightly turned on at the same time......an interesting combination of emotions
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He didn't Google, that's his screensaver.
 
Studhorse said:
Yourse is a given brother. A plethora of knowledge!
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Yes but now I just need to figure out how to get more crowd participation!
 
Studhorse said:
I would tag my usuals but it would turn out like HGP's
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I enjoy HGP's log. Go for it!!! I am not above jack-assery by any means!
 
Gym

Today was a "all weights feel too heavy" day, so I was pumping every limb with moderate weights.
 
I just saw the dog an divine one and the ass slapper gif too funny HGP!
 
MrKleen73 , Do you also have those days, when you simply can't get near the numbers you normally lift?
I mean, even when on a blast, I have days I grab the 65lbs DB's for hex press, they feel like 100lbs. Then, doing the presses with only 55lbs and still getting only 9 reps out of it -instead of doing 12 with the 65's.
I have those fairly often... even maybe once a week. Can't figure out what it is -but its not:
-diet (have it in a surplus too, not only when cutting)
-roids (lack there off -or sides)
-nerves (like stress)
-alcohol/drugs (not using any)

My guess is recovery.... but can it be I need more recovery, even though I sleep 10 hours, go only 4 x week -and I'm on at least 250mg test/w (currently at 450mg)?
I'm also on a split routine...
 
hairygrandpa said:
MrKleen73 , Do you also have those days, when you simply can't get near the numbers you normally lift?
I mean, even when on a blast, I have days I grab the 65lbs DB's for hex press, they feel like 100lbs. Then, doing the presses with only 55lbs and still getting only 9 reps out of it -instead of doing 12 with the 65's.
I have those fairly often... even maybe once a week. Can't figure out what it is -but its not:
-diet (have it in a surplus too, not only when cutting)
-roids
-nerves (like stress)
-alcohol/drugs (not using any)

My guess is recovery.... but can it be I need more recovery, even though I sleep 10 hours, go only 4 x week -and I'm on at least 250mg test/w (currently at 450mg)?
I'm also on a split routine...
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I di have those days. Not often, but I do have them
 
hairygrandpa said:
MrKleen73 , Do you also have those days, when you simply can't get near the numbers you normally lift?
I mean, even when on a blast, I have days I grab the 65lbs DB's for hex press, they feel like 100lbs. Then, doing the presses with only 55lbs and still getting only 9 reps out of it -instead of doing 12 with the 65's.
I have those fairly often... even maybe once a week. Can't figure out what it is -but its not:
-diet (have it in a surplus too, not only when cutting)
-roids (lack there off -or sides)
-nerves (like stress)
-alcohol/drugs (not using any)

My guess is recovery.... but can it be I need more recovery, even though I sleep 10 hours, go only 4 x week -and I'm on at least 250mg test/w (currently at 450mg)?
I'm also on a split routine...
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From my 57 1/2 year old perspective:
I have those days as well and attribute them to recovery issues coupled with diet and state of the mind.

Fact is, at our age, recovery is much slower.

Low carbs also affect performance, there simply is not enough glycogen in reserve to fuel the workout.

The mind plays a part. Some days my resolve to lift is weak. Since the mind controls the body, lifting becomes a chore.

You have to remember that just watching our diet and lifting puts us in the upper 10% of physical fitness, health and longevity in our age group. Most of our age group members are literally dying.
 
stacy1212 said:
so interesting convo here at work.... anyone else line the bowl with paper like myself to keep the toilet water from splashing ur a**
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SFreed said:
Nope. Redneck bidet.
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hairygrandpa said:
Sparkss is here!

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How much holiday gains?
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Hmmmm, let's see.. I lost some septum (deviated septum surgery to correct my sinuses) and I gained an artificial disc (disc replacement surgery to replace C5/C6 in my neck). Other than that I gained a bit of holiday "cheer" around the mid-section and a burning desire to get back to lifting again :). Been "out of the game" too long for all of these surgeries (was a 3rd surgical procedure, to try a cortisone steroid injection in my spine, but that didn't work to relieve symptoms, so then they proceeded with/scheduled the disc replacement). I have been put under anesthesia so many times these last couple of months I have a frequent flyer care with the anesthesiologists :).

How goes it with you?
 
Sounds like you've had a lot going on. Hope the surgery went well and you can get back at it. What kind of limitations are you dealing with?
 
kenpoengineer said:
From my 57 1/2 year old perspective:
I have those days as well and attribute them to recovery issues coupled with diet and state of the mind.

Fact is, at our age, recovery is much slower.

Low carbs also affect performance, there simply is not enough glycogen in reserve to fuel the workout.

The mind plays a part. Some days my resolve to lift is weak. Since the mind controls the body, lifting becomes a chore.

You have to remember that just watching our diet and lifting puts us in the upper 10% of physical fitness, health and longevity in our age group. Most of our age group members are literally dying.
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You are basically saying, I'm an old fugger. LOL! So I guess I have to live with that. :)
Good to hear others have that issue too, it makes it a normal occurrence.

Sparkss said:
Hmmmm, let's see.. I lost some septum (deviated septum surgery to correct my sinuses) and I gained an artificial disc (disc replacement surgery to replace C5/C6 in my neck). Other than that I gained a bit of holiday "cheer" around the mid-section and a burning desire to get back to lifting again :). Been "out of the game" too long for all of these surgeries (was a 3rd surgical procedure, to try a cortisone steroid injection in my spine, but that didn't work to relieve symptoms, so then they proceeded with/scheduled the disc replacement). I have been put under anesthesia so many times these last couple of months I have a frequent flyer care with the anesthesiologists :).

How goes it with you?
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Wow! I thought you only got fat over the holidays, now I hear you are turning into Terminator. All starts with an artificial disc -and ends with artificial everything :) Hehehe! That is what comes AFTER roid use....titanium, the next level in enhancements !

Good to have you back!
 
hairygrandpa said:
You are basically saying, I'm an old fugger. LOL! So I guess I have to live with that. :)
Good to hear others have that issue too, it makes it a normal occurrence.



Wow! I thought you only got fat over the holidays, now I hear you are turning into Terminator. All starts with an artificial disc -and ends with artificial everything :) Hehehe! That is what comes AFTER roid use....titanium, the next level in enhancements !

Good to have you back!
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Titanium is awesome. I have a titanium upper palette in my jaw and 4 titanium screws holding it in place. Just sucks in the cold at times
 
hairygrandpa said:
Wow! I thought you only got fat over the holidays, now I hear you are turning into Terminator. All starts with an artificial disc -and ends with artificial everything :) Hehehe! That is what comes AFTER roid use....titanium, the next level in enhancements !

Good to have you back!
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I actually managed to only gain 5 ~ 6 lbs throughout all of that (plus the holidays). I kept my diet pretty clean, although there were times I really needed comfort food, and I did give in from time to time. That plus not working out for roughly 2 months, give or take.

SFreed said:
Sounds like you've had a lot going on. Hope the surgery went well and you can get back at it. What kind of limitations are you dealing with?
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Right now just need to wear a neck brace while driving (until mid-week next week). Other than that I am doing 100% better post-surgery than I was before hand. The nerve pain and ROM limitations are more or less completely gone now. Best decision I could have made, getting the surgery. I am only 2 weeks and a couple of days post-op and am already back to light exercising (with the blessings of my surgeon). Some motions present with a tightness in my neck (they go in through the front of the neck to do the operation) and I have a 2" ~ 3" incision on the left lower front side of my neck that is mostly healed (love those peptides :)). But the scar tissue is apparent when I look up too far. That will just take time and is already almost stretched out. I have been doing daily stretching exercises looking in all directions, started the morning after surgery (again, per my surgeon). I did have to stay for over night after surgery as a percentage of patients experience swelling along the incision path that inhibits breathing. I luckily did not experience that.

DemntedCowboy said:
Titanium is awesome. I have a titanium upper palette in my jaw and 4 titanium screws holding it in place. Just sucks in the cold at times
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I think they told me that it was a different metal in the artificial disc. I have my follow up in 3 days and will ask again then. They did say that 1. I should not set off a metal detector (too small of an amount of metal) and 2. I could still get an MRI done, if needed. I was worried that metal in my neck would rule out MRIs for any future diagnostic needs.
 
I think they told me that it was a different metal in the artificial disc. I have my follow up in 3 days and will ask again then. They did say that 1. I should not set off a metal detector (too small of an amount of metal) and 2. I could still get an MRI done, if needed. I was worried that metal in my neck would rule out MRIs for any future diagnostic needs.[/QUOTE]

Yeah havent had any issues with MRI's or metal detectors either
 
Arm day

chin ups/ ss /elevated push ups w. handles
10/20/10/20/10/20

Seated triceps press machine
270lbs x8
230lbs x11/10/10/9

cable behind neck triceps extensions, one arm, TUT 4.1.1
22lbs x12/10/10/10/9/8

floor DB extensions
2x 25lbs x 18/16/11/9/9

Smith drag curls
2x45lbs plates x 12/10/9/9 drop 2x35lbs x8

seated hammer curls
2x35lbs TUT 3.1.1 x12/12/10

seated, one arm concentration curls, no pauses just switching sides
35lbs quick x10 slow x7 quick x8 slow x6

straight bar reverse grip curls 4.1.1
45lbs x12/9/10/7

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Current weight 205lbs, no major changes in appearance.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Arm day

chin ups/ ss /elevated push ups w. handles
10/20/10/20/10/20

Seated triceps press machine
270lbs x8
230lbs x11/10/10/9

cable behind neck triceps extensions, one arm, TUT 4.1.1
22lbs x12/10/10/10/9/8

floor DB extensions
2x 25lbs x 18/16/11/9/9

Smith drag curls
2x45lbs plates x 12/10/9/9 drop 2x35lbs x8

seated hammer curls
2x35lbs TUT 3.1.1 x12/12/10

seated, one arm concentration curls, no pauses just switching sides
35lbs quick x10 slow x7 quick x8 slow x6

straight bar reverse grip curls 4.1.1
45lbs x12/9/10/7

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Current weight 205lbs, no mayor changes in appearance.
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Just my opinion but I see a difference. looking good
 
HGP, I think it’s the me you stop being a b1tch about cardio. Suck it up and just do it. Honestly, I don’t see much happening. You have to step up. Come on now
 
jtmass said:
HGP, I think it’s the me you stop being a b1tch about cardio. Suck it up and just do it. Honestly, I don’t see much happening. You have to step up. Come on now
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We both know you are right. Dammit, gonna start today. Does volleyball count?
 
Volley doesn’t count. Not much calories to burn. I am huge fan of volleyball. I try to play at least couple times in a week.

I really would want to see you transform. Let’s get this going!!
 
jtmass said:
Volley doesn’t count. Not much calories to burn. I am huge fan of volleyball. I try to play at least couple times in a week.

I really would want to see you transform. Let’s get this going!!
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To lose weight fast, I could amputate my legs. :)
 
hairygrandpa said:
MrKleen73 , Do you also have those days, when you simply can't get near the numbers you normally lift?
I mean, even when on a blast, I have days I grab the 65lbs DB's for hex press, they feel like 100lbs. Then, doing the presses with only 55lbs and still getting only 9 reps out of it -instead of doing 12 with the 65's.
I have those fairly often... even maybe once a week. Can't figure out what it is -but its not:
-diet (have it in a surplus too, not only when cutting)
-roids (lack there off -or sides)
-nerves (like stress)
-alcohol/drugs (not using any)

My guess is recovery.... but can it be I need more recovery, even though I sleep 10 hours, go only 4 x week -and I'm on at least 250mg test/w (currently at 450mg)?
I'm also on a split routine...
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I do have them but again not as ften as you sound like you have. I definitely attribute them to recovery in some way. I would check your adrenals or go full bore into an adrenal reset program at some point. Also not sure what your typical fat intakes are even when eating more but fat is extremely neuro-protective. If lower then this could definitely exacerbate adrenal fatigue. I think if you increase fats that could help in some way, and then if adrenals aren't doing well it could have to do with both.

Those are just places I would start. That or train to failure less. You are indeed getting older and hitting failure on reps takes a toll on your cns whether that is via extreme high rep training or failing at a single. From some of your reps schemes I see you report it looks like ocassionally you have those major intense days and those could effect your cns for up to a week or more if you keep training hard. Also if you don't already think about supplementing a vitamin B complex and magnesium. They are very good for the CNS and help with signal transfer in the muscle. I use the Natures Life Vitamin B6 and Magnesium one daily and it helps and also keeps you regular. LOL

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kenpoengineer said:
From my 57 1/2 year old perspective:
I have those days as well and attribute them to recovery issues coupled with diet and state of the mind.

Fact is, at our age, recovery is much slower.

Low carbs also affect performance, there simply is not enough glycogen in reserve to fuel the workout.

The mind plays a part. Some days my resolve to lift is weak. Since the mind controls the body, lifting becomes a chore.

You have to remember that just watching our diet and lifting puts us in the upper 10% of physical fitness, health and longevity in our age group. Most of our age group members are literally dying.
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All excellent points Mark!
jtmass said:
HGP, I think it’s the me you stop being a b1tch about cardio. Suck it up and just do it. Honestly, I don’t see much happening. You have to step up. Come on now
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This would definitely speed up the weight loss and might help address some of the energy issues but with this diet he really would benefit more from brisk walks than straight up LISS and he doesn't need hit right now. Cortisol is already going to be high as hell on this particular diet so the activity should not be stressful in any way just energy consuming. A 30-60 minute walk at a brisk pace, not power walking by any means, but walking like you have somewhere to go would benefit him. If he also used this time to self reflect / mentally process things he can get better recovery, stress reduction and not add to the cortisol from the diet. I find that when I do this regularly during fasting my fat loss increases quite a bit and I feel better. As a matter of fact it is what I am going to be employing to increase fat loss during my recomp process. I like to put some music on and go walk and just let my subconscious mind lead my thoughts where it wants to and process whatever comes to the front of mind. I always feel more recovered both mentally and physically when I do this regularly. I just get lazy and forget how good it makes me feel and end up stopping the practice once I reach my goal...
 
MrKleen73 said:
I do have them but again not as ften as you sound like you have. I definitely attribute them to recovery in some way. I would check your adrenals or go full bore into an adrenal reset program at some point. Also not sure what your typical fat intakes are even when eating more but fat is extremely neuro-protective. If lower then this could definitely exacerbate adrenal fatigue. I think if you increase fats that could help in some way, and then if adrenals aren't doing well it could have to do with both.

Those are just places I would start. That or train to failure less. You are indeed getting older and hitting failure on reps takes a toll on your cns whether that is via extreme high rep training or failing at a single. From some of your reps schemes I see you report it looks like ocassionally you have those major intense days and those could effect your cns for up to a week or more if you keep training hard. Also if you don't already think about supplementing a vitamin B complex and magnesium. They are very good for the CNS and help with signal transfer in the muscle. I use the Natures Life Vitamin B6 and Magnesium one daily and it helps and also keeps you regular. LOL

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All excellent points Mark!


This would definitely speed up the weight loss and might help address some of the energy issues but with this diet he really would benefit more from brisk walks than straight up LISS and he doesn't need hit right now. Cortisol is already going to be high as hell on this particular diet so the activity should not be stressful in any way just energy consuming. A 30-60 minute walk at a brisk pace, not power walking by any means, but walking like you have somewhere to go would benefit him. If he also used this time to self reflect / mentally process things he can get better recovery, stress reduction and not add to the cortisol from the diet. I find that when I do this regularly during fasting my fat loss increases quite a bit and I feel better. As a matter of fact it is what I am going to be employing to increase fat loss during my recomp process. I like to put some music on and go walk and just let my subconscious mind lead my thoughts where it wants to and process whatever comes to the front of mind. I always feel more recovered both mentally and physically when I do this regularly. I just get lazy and forget how good it makes me feel and end up stopping the practice once I reach my goal...
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Thank you bro, will look into it after vacations, you are right, I did not use any supps for long time, will stack up on supps and do more slow paced cardio.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Arm day

chin ups/ ss /elevated push ups w. handles
10/20/10/20/10/20

Seated triceps press machine
270lbs x8
230lbs x11/10/10/9

cable behind neck triceps extensions, one arm, TUT 4.1.1
22lbs x12/10/10/10/9/8

floor DB extensions
2x 25lbs x 18/16/11/9/9

Smith drag curls
2x45lbs plates x 12/10/9/9 drop 2x35lbs x8

seated hammer curls
2x35lbs TUT 3.1.1 x12/12/10

seated, one arm concentration curls, no pauses just switching sides
35lbs quick x10 slow x7 quick x8 slow x6

straight bar reverse grip curls 4.1.1
45lbs x12/9/10/7

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Current weight 205lbs, no major changes in appearance.
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You look good brother!
How many guys you know that are 10 years younger look as good as you?
 
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