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Hi-Tech Pharma: Pro IGF-1 Blood Tests @ 20mcg/day

user567 said:
Got to love America, within 20 miles of where I live there are 2 places I can walk in and get bloods drawn and have the results within 2 days
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Norway, its not that simple. Actually its VERY hard to get any bloodwork done if you havent any illness etc.
Since I live in a small town where everyone knows each other, its little bit easier :)
 
Danes. Overall how do you feel this worked for you. MR. Supps picked up the product and I am ordering a bottle soon and wanted to know if it was good to go.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
Danes. Overall how do you feel this worked for you. MR. Supps picked up the product and I am ordering a bottle soon and wanted to know if it was good to go.
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It would be lie if I said I got anything from this. Been on it 7 weeks and my dose has been 25 tabs lately (some weeks now).
 
Ive been very skeptical about this new wonder supp. (according to some), but was hoping you would get something out of it with the amount your taking. Appreciated you taking the bullet on this one...:)
 
Danes said:
It would be lie if I said I got anything from this. Been on it 7 weeks and my dose has been 25 tabs lately (some weeks now).
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Sadly, disappointing. Let’s see what the blood test reveals anyway
 
djbombsquad said:
So pro igf1 a dud!!
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You can't really say that yet (not even close). The sample size (number of users) has been extremely small so far and the bloodwork that's come back has been conflicting. So more time (and more tests) will need to be done.

For me personally (running it for a few weeks now) I would have to say I have noticed increased pumps and better recovery time (less soreness). As for actual size gains and composition changes ... not as much as I was anticipating. So the jury is still definitely out on this one.





-Spaz
 
Big_Spaz said:
You can't really say that yet (not even close). The sample size (number of users) has been extremely small so far and the bloodwork that's come back has been conflicting. So more time (and more tests) will need to be done.

For me personally (running it for a few weeks now) I would have to say I have noticed increased pumps and better recovery time (less soreness). As for actual size gains and composition changes ... not as much as I was anticipating. So the jury is still definitely out on this one.





-Spaz
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For me, I can say that it is a dud and has been from the start. A supplement company, despite them being a big one, didn’t develop an efficient oral delivery method for this hormone. If they did somehow outsmart some of the brightest scientists employed by multi billion pharma/biotech companies, they wouldn’t even bother selling a bro supplement...they would sell the patent/company and be sitting in Fiji with 3-4 more digits in their bank accounts. Not trying to be a dick. Just my opinion/intuition
 
Danes said:
It would be lie if I said I got anything from this. Been on it 7 weeks and my dose has been 25 tabs lately (some weeks now).
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Thats 5x the suggested dose correct?
Even if it did work at this dose you shouldnt need to take 5x the suggested dose to get a product to work. Any product but especially if its 80$ a bottle.

And I agree with the other guy. If these guys really did pull this off they would be using it as a pharmaceutical. Hitech also has a pharmaceutical branch.
Which makes this even less plausible. Danes...did you run your labs?
 
brundel said:
Thats 5x the suggested dose correct?
Even if it did work at this dose you shouldnt need to take 5x the suggested dose to get a product to work. Any product but especially if its 80$ a bottle.

And I agree with the other guy. If these guys really did pull this off they would be using it as a pharmaceutical. Hitech also has a pharmaceutical branch.
Which makes this even less plausible. Danes...did you run your labs?
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I wish things were easier here where I live.
I did run bloodwork but what they did ?they did not sent my blood frozen (as it should).
Now I am waiting to get another bloodwork done.
 
brundel said:
Thats 5x the suggested dose correct?
Even if it did work at this dose you shouldnt need to take 5x the suggested dose to get a product to work. Any product but especially if its 80$ a bottle.
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Agreed..if it doesnt work at the recommended dose, then whats the point..and its more like $100 a bottle.
 
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djbombsquad said:
So pro igf1 a dud!!
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I was curious about this product but haven't seen a single user say they would buy again. That Danes is using 5* the dosage and still not seeing any positive results yet is very disappointing. Even if it did work at that dose, 500 dollars for one run is outrageous.
 
primolift00 said:
I was curious about this product but haven't seen a single user say they would buy again. That Danes is using 5* the dosage and still not seeing any positive results yet is very disappointing. Even if it did work at that dose, 500 dollars for one run is outrageous.
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500$ is a couple month run of real hgh so it’s beyond outrageous.
 
I am guessing that some of the user's poor results are due to a poor pharmacokinetic profile. It probably has a very short active life, with IGF-1 blood levels peaking only briefly. Anyone who has used real IGF-1 (whether it is from injectable growth hormone or injectable IGF-1) knows that these drugs take time to produce meaningful muscle growth, despite maintaining high blood levels of IGF-1 24/7.

If even injectable GH and injectable IGF-1 don't cause significant muscle growth within the first few months (much of the initial "size gain" from those drugs is due to intramuscular water retention and/or increased glycogen storage, which will make the user look bigger initially, but that all goes away upon discontinuation), then any product which provides a less pronounced and less stable IGF-1 increase is going to produce even less gains

Of course, GH and IGF-1 can help improve growth rate, but they are nowhere near as powerful as steroids. They take time to provide substantial muscle growth and work synergistically with AAS, insulin, etc. Taking them alone doesn't do a whole lot. If someone really wants to make good muscle gains with GH they better be taking a decent dose and stay on for at least 6 months, in combination with AAS. Although they may gain 10-15 pounds in the first few weeks and look much fuller-bigger, all that intramuscular water will be lost when they go off, revealing their true muscle growth. If they're lucky, they might end up with 5 pounds of new muscle fiber...and that would be considered very good.

GH helped make bodybuilders bigger in the 90's mostly because it worked through a different mechanism than AAS, so if a bodybuilder had maxed out using AAS, he could add in GH and add another 10-15 pounds of muscle over the next few years (if he dose was very high), but that 10-15 pounds of muscle is nothing compared to how much they gained with AAS. It's only once it is added "on top" of all the other muscle they already have that it becomes the game changer. Same with insulin.

Increasing someone's IGF-1 levels for only a few hours per day...and maintaining a peak GH level for less than that isn't going to do a whole lot. We know this because we have seen what real GH and IGF-1 do over the last 20 years. If those drugs need to be used at super high doses (along with insulin) for long periods of time just to add 20 pounds of real muscle...then what can we really expect from a moderate, short-lived IGF-1 increase?

This is just speculation, as we have not yet seen any research showing us how long this product keeps IGF-1 levels elevated, or how stable. Like I said previously, that is the most important question...and needs to be answered before we can determine its worth. As said earlier (in a previous post), if it could increase IGF-1 levels by 150 points and keep them there for even 8 hours, it is a very good product, but how practical it is will depend on its cost...because a product like that would need to be used for many months straight in order to produce meaningful gains. Any "swelling" noticed in the beginning would just be glycogen storage (IGF-1 acts like insulin, driving glucose into the muscle cell, so the muscles get fuller) .
 
Mike Arnold said:
I am guessing that some of the user's poor results are due to a poor pharmacokinetic profile. It probably has a very short active life, with IGF-1 blood levels peaking only briefly. Anyone who has used real IGF-1 (whether it is from injectable growth hormone or injectable IGF-1) knows that these drugs take time to produce meaningful muscle growth, despite maintaining high blood levels of IGF-1 24/7.

If even injectable GH and injectable IGF-1 don't cause significant muscle growth within the first few months (much of the initial "size gain" from those drugs is due to intramuscular water retention and/or increased glycogen storage, which will make the user look bigger initially, but that all goes away upon discontinuation), then any product which provides a less pronounced and less stable IGF-1 increase is going to produce even less gains

Of course, GH and IGF-1 can help improve growth rate, but they are nowhere near as powerful as steroids. They take time to provide substantial muscle growth and work synergistically with AAS, insulin, etc. Taking them alone doesn't do a whole lot. If someone really wants to make good muscle gains with GH they better be taking a decent dose and stay on for at least 6 months, in combination with AAS. Although they may gain 10-15 pounds in the first few weeks and look much fuller-bigger, all that intramuscular water will be lost when they go off, revealing their true muscle growth. If they're lucky, they might end up with 5 pounds of new muscle fiber...and that would be considered very good.

GH helped make bodybuilders bigger in the 90's mostly because it worked through a different mechanism than AAS, so if a bodybuilder had maxed out using AAS, he could add in GH and add another 10-15 pounds of muscle over the next few years (if he dose was very high), but that 10-15 pounds of muscle is nothing compared to how much they gained with AAS. It's only once it is added "on top" of all the other muscle they already have that it becomes the game changer. Same with insulin.

Increasing someone's IGF-1 levels for only a few hours per day...and maintaining a peak GH level for less than that isn't going to do a whole lot. We know this because we have seen what real GH and IGF-1 do over the last 20 years. If those drugs need to be used at super high doses (along with insulin) for long periods of time just to add 20 pounds of real muscle...then what can we really expect from a moderate, short-lived IGF-1 increase?

This is just speculation, as we have not yet seen any research showing us how long this product keeps IGF-1 levels elevated, or how stable. Like I said previously, that is the most important question...and needs to be answered before we can determine its worth. As said earlier (in a previous post), if it could increase IGF-1 levels by 150 points and keep them there for even 8 hours, it is a very good product, but how practical it is will depend on its cost...because a product like that would need to be used for many months straight in order to produce meaningful gains. Any "swelling" noticed in the beginning would just be glycogen storage (IGF-1 acts like insulin, driving glucose into the muscle cell, so the muscles get fuller) .
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Agreed..true hyperplasia muscle growth seen from HGH/IGF-1 takes a good 6 months. Theres only a couple ways to know for sure whether this product works.. either A) do a few cycles over a 6 month time period and see what you get, or B) have blood work now and see what the test shows.
 
Mike Arnold said:
I am guessing that some of the user's poor results are due to a poor pharmacokinetic profile. It probably has a very short active life, with IGF-1 blood levels peaking only briefly. Anyone who has used real IGF-1 (whether it is from injectable growth hormone or injectable IGF-1) knows that these drugs take time to produce meaningful muscle growth, despite maintaining high blood levels of IGF-1 24/7.

If even injectable GH and injectable IGF-1 don't cause significant muscle growth within the first few months (much of the initial "size gain" from those drugs is due to intramuscular water retention and/or increased glycogen storage, which will make the user look bigger initially, but that all goes away upon discontinuation), then any product which provides a less pronounced and less stable IGF-1 increase is going to produce even less gains

Of course, GH and IGF-1 can help improve growth rate, but they are nowhere near as powerful as steroids. They take time to provide substantial muscle growth and work synergistically with AAS, insulin, etc. Taking them alone doesn't do a whole lot. If someone really wants to make good muscle gains with GH they better be taking a decent dose and stay on for at least 6 months, in combination with AAS. Although they may gain 10-15 pounds in the first few weeks and look much fuller-bigger, all that intramuscular water will be lost when they go off, revealing their true muscle growth. If they're lucky, they might end up with 5 pounds of new muscle fiber...and that would be considered very good.

GH helped make bodybuilders bigger in the 90's mostly because it worked through a different mechanism than AAS, so if a bodybuilder had maxed out using AAS, he could add in GH and add another 10-15 pounds of muscle over the next few years (if he dose was very high), but that 10-15 pounds of muscle is nothing compared to how much they gained with AAS. It's only once it is added "on top" of all the other muscle they already have that it becomes the game changer. Same with insulin.

Increasing someone's IGF-1 levels for only a few hours per day...and maintaining a peak GH level for less than that isn't going to do a whole lot. We know this because we have seen what real GH and IGF-1 do over the last 20 years. If those drugs need to be used at super high doses (along with insulin) for long periods of time just to add 20 pounds of real muscle...then what can we really expect from a moderate, short-lived IGF-1 increase?

This is just speculation, as we have not yet seen any research showing us how long this product keeps IGF-1 levels elevated, or how stable. Like I said previously, that is the most important question...and needs to be answered before we can determine its worth. As said earlier (in a previous post), if it could increase IGF-1 levels by 150 points and keep them there for even 8 hours, it is a very good product, but how practical it is will depend on its cost...because a product like that would need to be used for many months straight in order to produce meaningful gains. Any "swelling" noticed in the beginning would just be glycogen storage (IGF-1 acts like insulin, driving glucose into the muscle cell, so the muscles get fuller) .
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Like I said earlier ,I am interested in:
1. Does this contain IGF1 ?
Lab test show it does. I am getting more info about purity etc.
2. How is the bioavailability?
Bloodwork will show. I will take solid dose prior bloodwork (1 1/2 hours prior)
3. If it show elevated IGF1 levels, next question will be. (Like you mentioned) how long it stays elevated ?

Honestly, I dont think IGF1 products is a good sale for supplement companies. People like fast kicking products and not interested to spend 100s of $ to run 6 months.
If this product work , running solo is pretty much meh. Would be better for people running AAS/prohormones
 
Danes said:
Like I said earlier ,I am interested in:
1. Does this contain IGF1 ?
Lab test show it does. I am getting more info about purity etc.
2. How is the bioavailability?
Bloodwork will show. I will take solid dose prior bloodwork (1 1/2 hours prior)
3. If it show elevated IGF1 levels, next question will be. (Like you mentioned) how long it stays elevated ?

Honestly, I dont think IGF1 products is a good sale for supplement companies. People like fast kicking products and not interested to spend 100s of $ to run 6 months.
If this product work , running solo is pretty much meh. Would be better for people running AAS/prohormones
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To be honest I am mainly looking for recovery and the leaning aspects.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
To be honest I am mainly looking for recovery and the leaning aspects.
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No increased recovery or leaning effect. I do understand growth hormone/growth factors/peptides are not fast acting but some effects should be noticed after almost 8 weeks. And I am thinking of recovery,amazing pumps and even leaning effect
 
Danes said:
No increased recovery or leaning effect. I do understand growth hormone/growth factors/peptides are not fast acting but some effects should be noticed after almost 8 weeks. And I am thinking of recovery,amazing pumps and even leaning effect
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May have to keep running it then.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
May have to keep running it then.
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Given Danes is running 5* dosage, how long would you recommend a 500 /month cycle? Seems crazy to suggest running any longer given that there has been nothing to show for it. Hopefully blood work shows something positive but even then, do the benefits justify this outrageous cost?
 
There is IGF-1 in other stuff, has been for a long time. Hormones given to cows have been shown to end up in the Milk. Bio-Grow had it. Even the Deer Antler had it. So what - it's oral and gets raped by the adult digestive system. Even if your levels go up a bit - what does that translate to in the real world? - for the price of Bio-Grow or this stuff? Then there is the fact that D_e_e_B brought up, that studies on IGF-1 (injections) showing benefit, use WAY more than even BB'ers do for some reason (cost?). Unless you absolutely are against MK-677 (because it's an experimental drug) at least that works orally based on the science if you get legit stuff.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Ended up costing me my TRT as the Doc freaked out wanted a 6 hour glucose tolerance test to check me for diabetes. It was the straw as I was tired of dealing with a less than stellar Endo who thought 200mg once every three weeks was acceptable. For the love of God how about you know some basic pharmacokinetics about a drug that has been around for almost 70 years!!!! The fact that I need a guy like this to give me permission to treat my condition is so infuriating.
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Funny how women would NEVER tolerate being denied hormones for themselves and in their case it would be seen as a "woman's rights issue."
 
The_Old_Guy said:
There is IGF-1 in other stuff, has been for a long time. Hormones given to cows have been shown to end up in the Milk. Bio-Grow had it. Even the Deer Antler had it. So what - it's oral and gets raped by the adult digestive system. Even if your levels go up a bit - what does that translate to in the real world? - for the price of Bio-Grow or this stuff? Then there is the fact that D_e_e_B brought up, that studies on IGF-1 (injections) showing benefit, use WAY more than even BB'ers do for some reason (cost?). Unless you absolutely are against MK-677 (because it's an experimental drug) at least that works orally based on the science if you get legit stuff.
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may be better to just stick with the MK677 then from now on.
 
Justlooking5 said:
Funny how women would NEVER tolerate being denied hormones for themselves and in their case it would be seen as a "woman's rights issue."
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Exactly..thats because when men go for things like this, the medical community and law officials can think of only on thing --"MUSCLES"..and us men arent suppose to have any.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Of course...there is the possibility that this product does actually work...
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But calling other people idiots for questioning and having concerns about spending a good chuck of change, basically calling people idiots for asking questions isn’t a good look, especially for a new member. TL;DR: it is logical enough that some people think this user may have an agenda of sorts. Of course, I’m not saying the product doesn’t work, just that people aren’t “idiots” for asking questions.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Of course...there is the possibility that this product does actually work...
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Bloodwork will prove it for me :)
But honestly, been more than 2 months on this and no increased pumps, musclefullness etc.even if it show increased IGF1 levels, for me, its not worth it. Would rather spend money on supplements which gives pump,endurance, work capacity much faster (even after first dose) and actually MUCH cheaper too :)
 
muscleupcrohn said:
But calling other people idiots for questioning and having concerns about spending a good chuck of change, basically calling people idiots for asking questions isn’t a good look, especially for a new member. TL;DR: it is logical enough that some people think this user may have an agenda of sorts. Of course, I’m not saying the product doesn’t work, just that people aren’t “idiots” for asking questions.
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no, it isn't a good look. and the poster is not employed by HTP nor is he/she one of our reps. That I can promise.
 
VaughnTrue said:
no, it isn't a good look. and the poster is not employed by HTP nor is he/she one of our reps. That I can promise.
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Cool. I️ didn’t mean to suggest that he was, only that it’s a strange way to start a post history, so it wasn’t unreasonable for people to have questions of that nature.
 
Walked into a local supplement shop to talk to the owner and maybe pick up a pre-workout or something on those lines(if possible I like to support mom/pop shops where the owner is knowledgeable and is trying to help educate his consumers) and he invariably asks my opinion about this product in the course of our discussion.

I express my doubts(which at first when this product came out he had as well) which for the most part have already been expressed by other members in this thread, however he was surprised at the feedback and repeat customers. He came across the bloodwork and he was starting to change his mind. At the time we left it as, well time will tell to see if this is really a viable supplement or is this another Hi-Tech "superdrol"(I find this practice of equivocating one of the strongest designer steroids to a DHEA product very annoying and misleading).

So I am really looking foward to this bloodwork.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Walked into a local supplement shop to talk to the owner and maybe pick up a pre-workout or something on those lines(if possible I like to support mom/pop shops where the owner is knowledgeable and is trying to help educate his consumers) and he invariably asks my opinion about this product in the course of our discussion.

I express my doubts(which at first when this product came out he had as well) which for the most part have already been expressed by other members in this thread, however he was surprised at the feedback and repeat customers. He came across the bloodwork and he was starting to change his mind. At the time we left it as, well time will tell to see if this is really a viable supplement or is this another Hi-Tech "superdrol"(I find this practice of equivocating one of the strongest designer steroids to a DHEA product very annoying and misleading).

So I am really looking foward to this bloodwork.
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If Danes is taking 25 tabs a day....25....and isn't feeling anything then I don't care if the bloodwork comes back slightly elevated, I think we've all heard what we need to hear. Shouldn't have to jack 25 's a day, that's fckin nutso
 
Assuming this makes it intact to the bloodstream this product would still be limited by IGF-1's short half life. I still await Danes blood work. If this was in the 50 range I would try it myself but will have to wait and see. I personally responded very well to research IGF-1 Lr3 so I have not given up hope.
 
IronWill777 said:
LOL Danes you are a hard gainer taking 40 tabs a day or something and not seeing anything. Either that or you are all roided out after too many years doing steroids. Too many people say Pro IGF-1 works at this point. You are clueless.
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So your theory is he has used too many roids, which work on the androgen receptors, and thus does not respond to IGF-1 which works through entirely different receptors and pathways? Calling Danes clueless...............said the desert to the grain of sand lol.
 
IronWill777 said:
Too many people say Pro IGF-1 works at this point. You are clueless.
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Really!? In that case, o wise one, where might we find all this feedback about it working?

And I understand it will be hard to filter out the myriad of placebo-driven voices in your head, some whispering, some shouting from the peanut gallery "it works, IronWill, it really really works!!". But please do try. I assure you those are just the ghosts of dollars past, frivolously spent in the throes of hype, promises of greatness, and clouded judgement.
 
IronWill777 said:
LOL Danes you are a hard gainer taking 40 tabs a day or something and not seeing anything. Either that or you are all roided out after too many years doing steroids. Too many people say Pro IGF-1 works at this point. You are clueless.
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Just wondering, how many voices do you hear talking to you at night?
 
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