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Mk 677 What's the verdict

its the same as before, the immense body lethargy and strange feeling in fingers, forearms

maybe i just came accustomed to the dose or these dna ones are under dosed. still not sure on gains though
 
15mg per day gave me significant water retention in the first week, you could see alot of puffiness under the front of the cheekbones.
 
Been on a week so far... muscle pumps lasting for hours, water retention, muscles feel very full. I wake up and my arms still have a pump the next day. stomach feels empty most of the day. Trying to battle hunger n stay under my calorie restriction. This would've been easier to take on a bulk lol
 
AlTiTuDe06 said:
I'm a strong believer in somatozine myself ... just believed u had to "work for your money" .... but hey guess ya can't lose by layin around gaining muscle lol

As I pop 2 caps
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Obviously, training is gong to greatly enhance your results. The people in the studies were not bodybuilders carrying a lot of muscle. They were just normal people, but the fact that it could add muscle mass without any training at all is pretty awesome, as few drugs produce those kind of results. Even steroids add relatively small amounts of muscle without training.
 
i may drop this now, looking at follidrone again but also in mind to try another type of mk677... minor results so far i think


mike, your website appears to be still down
 
fx2050 said:
im on my 2nd version and it doesnt do much

german pharama seemed better, i could feel the waves but not much gains.
latest DNA stuff seems ****e. maybe i feel slight stronger is all

and there is clearly over exaggerated results from people
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People aren't over exaggerating their results--you're just not getting good results--either because of some horrible personal response or because you're using junk. One or the other.

There have been so many people (1,000's) at this point that have taken MK on forums all over the Net...and everyone is reporting the same type of results. So, it's not them that are lying, it's that you have had bad experiences due to one of the reasons above.
 
fx2050 said:
MA Supps Somatozine website appears to be down and i think it out priced my and with uk delivery on top
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It's not down. It's been up without any issues. We've been running a sale uninterrupted the last two days.
 
fx2050 said:
i may drop this now, looking at follidrone again but also in mind to try another type of mk677... minor results so far i think


mike, your website appears to be still down
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I just checked again and the site is working fine. I have seen sales coming in non-stop since the sale started and no one has reported any issues, so I think something is going on on your end. I wish I could help, but I have no idea what the problem is over there. I'm not exactly computer savvy.
 
Mike Arnold said:
I'm not exactly computer savvy.
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I am. :D

fx2050 said:
i may drop this now, looking at follidrone again but also in mind to try another type of mk677... minor results so far i think


mike, your website appears to be still down
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Clear your cache or use another web browser for starters.
If still no, you may wish to turn off your protective measures (web based) if you are using Windows...

Try your smart phone to test it too.
 
15mg per day gave me significant water retention in the first week, you could see alot of puffiness under the front of the cheekbones.
 
ok ive tried 2 different brands, yes i feel some lethargy and strange finger arm feelings, yes maybe i gained a couple of lbs

but thats pretty much it maybe i need higher dose


so around $65 with coupon to send to uk for somtozine....?
 
fx2050 said:
ok ive tried 2 different brands, yes i feel some lethargy and strange finger arm feelings, yes maybe i gained a couple of lbs

but thats pretty much it maybe i need higher dose


so around $65 with coupon to send to uk for somtozine....?
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If you look at other ghrelin mimetics or ghrelin agonists you will see pretty varied responses to the hunger increase and results in the gym. Guys using the same exact source of peptides and one gets ravenous bottomless hunger and the other says it increases appetite just a bit. What I am getting at is like any other lock and key receptor activating drug/hormone peoples response will vary. From my own experience years ago using the same bottle of GHRP-6 the hunger effects varied day to day sometimes. Naturally you would think the older the peps got in the vial the weaker but this was not always the case. I would be using it for a couple weeks and then for some reason BOOM the same dose from the same bottle would hit like a ton of bricks.

I am not doubting you at all when you say you get very little from MK. It might simply be an ineffective compound for you. Like Mike stated earlier the jump from 25 to 50 only increase GH release by roughly 10%. If you don't get much at 25 I would say going for 50 would be a massive point of diminishing returns. Now if you swim in cash and want to go for it by all means.
 
MadDoc said:
15mg per day gave me significant water retention in the first week, you could see alot of puffiness under the front of the cheekbones.
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Couldn't you just increase your potassium levels to help cancel out the water retention?
 
Pumps on MK lasted hours.. muscles felt very full n felt strong. I was on 25mg at night but had to cut dose in half due to headaches and overwhelming tired feeling. Today is first day with half dose and no headache. I'll bump up to 25mg again in a few days. Maybe need a gradual increase in dose
 
In regards to same bottle giving a wide variation in effects, I learnt to avoid that by shaking mine well before use.
Before I did that, the first doses tasted way less intense than the last ones.
 
In regards to same bottle giving a wide variation in effects, I learnt to avoid that by shaking mine well before use.
Before I did that, the first doses tasted way less intense than the last ones.
 
MadDoc said:
In regards to same bottle giving a wide variation in effects, I learnt to avoid that by shaking mine well before use.
Before I did that, the first doses tasted way less intense than the last ones.
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This advice should be applied to all research chems in liquid form. Sometimes the active ingredients settle and you don't get an accurate dose each time. I always shake mine prior to dosing even if there doesn't appear to be settling.
 
Exactly, mk677 seems to easily form a solution with water, but somehow I don't think it properly dissolves.
I think using half water half PEG 400 made a good difference though.
 
BamBam0319 said:
This advice should be applied to all research chems in liquid form. Sometimes the active ingredients settle and you don't get an accurate dose each time. I always shake mine prior to dosing even if there doesn't appear to be settling.
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This to me is strange. Every liquid I've ever gotten from RC has been completey dissolved and consistent throughout. Furthermore I've simply mixed my own mk powder with water and a small amount of ethanol and it fully dissolves and does not separate.
 
Mine doesn't separate either, the taste just becomes stronger and stronger as I go through the bottle, and effects increase.
That was without ethanol though, just plain water.
Adding PEG 400 changed that a lot.
 
All in all I have priced out the bulk powder, some are cheaper than others, but quality is always a concern. Also it's a pain to use any liquid, not easy to travel with and tastes horrible. If your using somaotatin inhibitors that's another thing. At the end of the day it's way easier and more efficient to just buy a bottle of somatozine from Mike Arnold and call it a day. Easy to dose caps, all the ancillaries and somotoststin inhibitors in 1-2 caps for a very reasonable price.
 
EMPIREMIND said:
This to me is strange. Every liquid I've ever gotten from RC has been completey dissolved and consistent throughout. Furthermore I've simply mixed my own mk powder with water and a small amount of ethanol and it fully dissolves and does not separate.
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MadDoc said:
Mine doesn't separate either, the taste just becomes stronger and stronger as I go through the bottle, and effects increase.
That was without ethanol though, just plain water.
Adding PEG 400 changed that a lot.
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Could be different with MK, I've never used it as a liquid.
I have tadalafil that has to be shaken before every use. Other chems with the same situation.
 
Who is still a supplier of bulk powder? I haven't been able to find any and that might be something I'd consider eventually.
 
just switched back to my german pharma tabs, much more noticeable within 30mins, severe lethargy

so wasnt worth me switching to dna anabolics

going try another soon also...
 
BamBam0319 said:
Could be different with MK, I've never used it as a liquid.
I have tadalafil that has to be shaken before every use. Other chems with the same situation.
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Yeah, the only liquids I've had that *looked* uniform, were Albuterol and MK. Exemestane, Clomiphene, and Tamoxifen all settle to the bottom - I shake the shjt out of everything - was thinking of getting one of those paint can mixers that Lowe's uses :D
 
So let's talk about. More specially using MK extremely long term. As in indefinitely. What would some of the experts here recommend for that? Any changes? Should a person cycle? Perhaps go through cycles of lower and higher dosages? Maybe a person should think about some sort of supporting supplement? Just spitballing here because due to the healing properties and my relative need for them I'll likely be on for life.
 
My joints definitely feel better so far on Mk. I had to cut the dose in half though to 12mg because of bad headaches n lethargy. Now my issue is the constant hunger. I feel great, joints good, sleep, strong, but hunger... always hungry! Lol
 
been a few weeks now, maybe almost 5 on 2 different MK. yes lethargy in evenings. i am working harder in the gym so maybe more strength

slight gains but not a huge amount. maybe 5pounds since started but have only started to increase my calories the last 1.5 weeks.
looking quite good but was expecting more from this stuff.
also my elbows have been killing me, yes ive added in human flag and handstand straining to my already 5 day a week intense gym sessions.
im also on Xfactor... love this stuff

hopefully i can push some more the next couple of weeks and try another MK so would be 3months in.. happy to try further
 
fx2050 said:
been a few weeks now, maybe almost 5 on 2 different MK. yes lethargy in evenings. i am working harder in the gym so maybe more strength

slight gains but not a huge amount. maybe 5pounds since started but have only started to increase my calories the last 1.5 weeks.
looking quite good but was expecting more from this stuff.
also my elbows have been killing me, yes ive added in human flag and handstand straining to my already 5 day a week intense gym sessions.
im also on Xfactor... love this stuff

hopefully i can push some more the next couple of weeks and try another MK so would be 3months in.. happy to try further
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What time of day do you take your MK?
Also, it's a growth hormone releasing agent... not a steroid. You shouldn't be expecting crazy gains from a compound like this. Just mild improvements. It would also enhance a PH or AAS cycle. But to expect this to drastically enhance your physique/performance by itself is setting yourself up for disappointment.
 
BamBam0319 said:
What time of day do you take your MK?
Also, it's a growth hormone releasing agent... not a steroid. You shouldn't be expecting crazy gains from a compound like this. Just mild improvements. It would also enhance a PH or AAS cycle. But to expect this to drastically enhance your physique/performance by itself is setting yourself up for disappointment.
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totally agree with your but it gets hyped up to be a big gainer

i take when im home from work
 
Wagz86 said:
Well The supplement I was on was true nutritions joint formula which is cissus, msm, glucosamine, and chondroitin. And that by itself only just took the edge off. That just recently ran out but within just two weeks on 10mg of MK plus that I went from constant but manageableish pain to none at all.
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That's awesome ..I'm coming outta bike wreck...laid up for few weeks. And my joints are hurting. Looking at this?
 
fx2050 said:
totally agree with your but it gets hyped up to be a big gainer

i take when im home from work
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From an OTC standpoint it IS a big gainer. It provides results comparable to 3-4 iu of injectable GH when using MK solo (Somatozine is superior). What OTC supp is going to provide better gains than 3-4 iu of GH (aside from SARMs)? I can't think of any. There are a few which work fairly well, but they're very limited. There is a reason pro bodybuilders use steroids, GH, and insulin FIRST...and then add in other supps as desired. How many OTC supps do you know of that regularly add 10 pounds of bodyweight to users within 7-10 days? NONE...that's how many. Of course, this initial gain is mostly intramuscular water, but it is also a big benefit and one of the reason people use GH/MK...because of the increase in intramuscular water (fullness), which is responsible for the "3D look" you hear people talk about.

Regardless, even if you were injecting 10 iu of GH per day, it still isn't going to provide steroid-like results. If you want to blow-up you need to use steroids and stop messing around with OTC ****...because NOTHING out there will provide steroid-like gains except steroids...period. You said you already gained 5 pounds, which, despite being on the lower-end of normal, is still quite good. By the way you talk it seems to me like you are expecting to gain like 15-20 pounds of muscle. Not gonna happen. In many cases even steroids don't add that much, even on a 1st cycle. I gained 14 pounds on my 1st testosterone cycle lasting 8 weeks at 500 mg/week. I kept about 8 pounds and I was VERY pleased with those gains.

I think you may have unrealistic expectations in terms of what OTC supps can do for you...and just because you don't gain 10 pounds with MK, it doesn't mean other people don't...because there have clearly been many 100's of people all over the net saying they gained 10 pounds in just the first week. It is the most valuable OTC supp I have ever used, which is why I decided to sell it as my first product. Not only does it greatly increase my GH, IGF-1, and IGFBP-3 levels, but it massively increases my appetite (allowing me to eat all the cals I need for growth), and accelerates my recovery...as well as helps my joints and connective tissue. Oh, it also keeps me much fuller-bigger .I LOVE it.
 
Yeah 5lbs in a couple weeks, How can you say not seeing much results? Be realistic, you are making gains.
 
Mike Arnold said:
Clinical studies have actually shown that test subjects gained significant amounts of lean muscle without any training at all. MK's sister drug, Anamorelin, which is now a prescription drug in Europe for the purpose of lean-mass-building/prevention of muscle loss, has demonstrated the same results in clinical trials.
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If I'd known that when I broke my collarbone. I have 2 bottles of Somatozine coming, will be keeping them in reserve for when I get injured.
 
Mike Arnold said:
From an OTC standpoint it IS a big gainer. It provides results comparable to 3-4 iu of injectable GH when using MK solo (Somatozine is superior). What OTC supp is going to provide better gains than 3-4 iu of GH (aside from SARMs)? I can't think of any. There are a few which work fairly well, but they're very limited. There is a reason pro bodybuilders use steroids, GH, and insulin FIRST...and then add in other supps as desired. How many OTC supps do you know of that regularly add 10 pounds of bodyweight to users within 7-10 days? NONE...that's how many. Of course, this initial gain is mostly intramuscular water, but it is also a big benefit and one of the reason people use GH/MK...because of the increase in intramuscular water (fullness), which is responsible for the "3D look" you hear people talk about.

Regardless, even if you were injecting 10 iu of GH per day, it still isn't going to provide steroid-like results. If you want to blow-up you need to use steroids and stop messing around with OTC ****...because NOTHING out there will provide steroid-like gains except steroids...period. You said you already gained 5 pounds, which, despite being on the lower-end of normal, is still quite good. By the way you talk it seems to me like you are expecting to gain like 15-20 pounds of muscle. Not gonna happen. In many cases even steroids don't add that much, even on a 1st cycle. I gained 14 pounds on my 1st testosterone cycle lasting 8 weeks at 500 mg/week. I kept about 8 pounds and I was VERY pleased with those gains.

I think you may have unrealistic expectations in terms of what OTC supps can do for you...and just because you don't gain 10 pounds with MK, it doesn't mean other people don't...because there have clearly been many 100's of people all over the net saying they gained 10 pounds in just the first week. It is the most valuable OTC supp I have ever used, which is why I decided to sell it as my first product. Not only does it greatly increase my GH, IGF-1, and IGFBP-3 levels, but it massively increases my appetite (allowing me to eat all the cals I need for growth), and accelerates my recovery...as well as helps my joints and connective tissue. Oh, it also keeps me much fuller-bigger .I LOVE it.
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Thanks for the info....think this will be good coming out from my injury. I've never used any proharmones or nothing. But my joints are aching. And I'm been in bed 2 weeks. Time to get back.
 
Todd boliek said:
Thanks for the info....think this will be good coming out from my injury. I've never used any proharmones or nothing. But my joints are aching. And I'm been in bed 2 weeks. Time to get back.
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And the great thing is that this ain't a PH. or SARM either.
 
Tom Boliek yeah it's fantastic. And I've tried a lot of stuff. I'm not taking any thing else join related right now except maybe if you count fish oil and my knees are very good. I still have dull aches on rainy days or hard leg days etc. so I'm still taking it easy in the gym and giving it time to heal. But yeah it's been fantastic.
 
Ive been on 12.5mg of somasozine for about 2 weeks. Not experiencing any bloat(that I can tell), lethargy or increased hunger. I am sleeping really well though, and falling asleep super fast.

I could jump it to 25mg but it starts to get expensive, and I'm not sure I'm seeing the benefits. Maybe I will for the last week. Really was hoping for the hunger increase.

Maybe I should jump it to 25mg
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Ive been on 12.5mg of somasozine for about 2 weeks. Not experiencing any bloat(that I can tell), lethargy or increased hunger. I am sleeping really well though, and falling asleep super fast.

I could jump it to 25mg but it starts to get expensive, and I'm not sure I'm seeing the benefits. Maybe I will for the last week. Really was hoping for the hunger increase.

Maybe I should jump it to 25mg
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I increased to 25mg after 2 weeks at 12.5. I don't regret it, it's been going very well.
 
Mike Arnold said:
From an OTC standpoint it IS a big gainer. It provides results comparable to 3-4 iu of injectable GH when using MK solo (Somatozine is superior). What OTC supp is going to provide better gains than 3-4 iu of GH (aside from SARMs)? I can't think of any. There are a few which work fairly well, but they're very limited. There is a reason pro bodybuilders use steroids, GH, and insulin FIRST...and then add in other supps as desired. How many OTC supps do you know of that regularly add 10 pounds of bodyweight to users within 7-10 days? NONE...that's how many. Of course, this initial gain is mostly intramuscular water, but it is also a big benefit and one of the reason people use GH/MK...because of the increase in intramuscular water (fullness), which is responsible for the "3D look" you hear people talk about.

Regardless, even if you were injecting 10 iu of GH per day, it still isn't going to provide steroid-like results. If you want to blow-up you need to use steroids and stop messing around with OTC ****...because NOTHING out there will provide steroid-like gains except steroids...period. You said you already gained 5 pounds, which, despite being on the lower-end of normal, is still quite good. By the way you talk it seems to me like you are expecting to gain like 15-20 pounds of muscle. Not gonna happen. In many cases even steroids don't add that much, even on a 1st cycle. I gained 14 pounds on my 1st testosterone cycle lasting 8 weeks at 500 mg/week. I kept about 8 pounds and I was VERY pleased with those gains.

I think you may have unrealistic expectations in terms of what OTC supps can do for you...and just because you don't gain 10 pounds with MK, it doesn't mean other people don't...because there have clearly been many 100's of people all over the net saying they gained 10 pounds in just the first week. It is the most valuable OTC supp I have ever used, which is why I decided to sell it as my first product. Not only does it greatly increase my GH, IGF-1, and IGFBP-3 levels, but it massively increases my appetite (allowing me to eat all the cals I need for growth), and accelerates my recovery...as well as helps my joints and connective tissue. Oh, it also keeps me much fuller-bigger .I LOVE it.
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Any thoughts on extreme long term usage? Some say cycle off some say don't need to. Unfortunately there's very little long term data at this time.
 
Wagz86 said:
Any thoughts on extreme long term usage? Some say cycle off some say don't need to. Unfortunately there's very little long term data at this time.
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MK has been studied in test subjects for at least 1 year...and maybe even 2 years in some studies (I can't remember for sure if there have been two year studies or not), but in all those studies there were zero, serious adverse effects reported. MK has been considered very safe by every researcher has has evaluated its effects in clinical trials....and most test subjects were using 25-50 mg/day (quite a large dose, particularly at 50 mg/day).

As I have stated previously, a sister drug to MK, called Anamorelin, was recently released in Europe as a mass-building/lean mass preserving prescription drug. It is a ghrelin mimetic just like MK and is indicated for long-term use. Ghrelin mimetics are one of the safest performance enhancers on the market. There has never been a single serious side effect reported in ANY of the clinical trials involving MK-677...and these trials included 100's of people of all age brackets/sexes, with many of these studies being conducted long-term.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Ive been on 12.5mg of somasozine for about 2 weeks. Not experiencing any bloat(that I can tell), lethargy or increased hunger. I am sleeping really well though, and falling asleep super fast.

I could jump it to 25mg but it starts to get expensive, and I'm not sure I'm seeing the benefits. Maybe I will for the last week. Really was hoping for the hunger increase.

Maybe I should jump it to 25mg
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Definitely Jump to 25mg a day. You will enjoy it. I did 12.5mg for the first week and then went up to 25mg after that and have never looked back
 
this product sounds too good to be true tbh. No sides at all? Also why shouldn't every1 use this product?
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Definitely Jump to 25mg a day. You will enjoy it. I did 12.5mg for the first week and then went up to 25mg after that and have never looked back
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I'm going to today. I'll report back in a week, or whenever the desired sides start to show.
 
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