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The New Product Release Thread

Vicaine PM

"Prohedonic Opioid Anti-inflammatory Complex"



Available Now!!!

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Guys, Vicaine PM is now available! I will be providing a write-up on the product shortly, which will go in-depth on what it is and how it works.

In the meantime I will leave you with this...



"Vicaine PM is a opioid-based complex containing additional opioid potentiating, anti-tolerance and anti-inflammatory agents. There are no stimulants within Vicaine PM, making it an excellent alternative for anyone who wants to take the product at night (it won't interfere with sleep) or for those who desire a more pure opioid effect. Vicaine PM also contains 40% more tianeptine. In combination with its opioid potentiating and anti-inflammatory compounds, Vicaine PM supplies an extraordinarily potent opioid/analgesic effect that is 50-75% stronger than the original Vicaine. Vicaine PM is an EXTREMELY powerful product. There is truly NOTHING else like it anywhere on the market."


Below I have posted several studies demonstrating the opioid potentiating, anti-tolerance, and anti-inflammatory effects of the secondary compounds in the new Vicaine PM.







A new and novel treatment of opioid dependence: Nigella sativa 500 mg.

Sangi S1, Ahmed SP, Channa MA, Ashfaq M, Mastoi SM.
Author information
Abstract

BACKGROUND: Opioid dependence is one of the major social and psychiatric problem of society. Unfortunately there is no non opiate treatment available. For centuries man has used plants for their healing proprieties. These plants play a fundamental part in all treatment modalities, both ancient and modern.

METHODS: This study was conducted to find non opiate treatment for opiate withdrawal. Total 35 known addicts of opiates were included in the study. This study was based on DSM IV criteria for opioid dependence.

RESULT: This study demonstrates that non opioid treatment for opioid addiction decreases the withdrawal effects significantly. It further demonstrates that there are no changes in physiological parameters of subjects during treatment (BP, Pulse rate etc.). There is increased appetite but no significant weight gain in the subjects.

CONCLUSION: Non opioid drug Nigella sativa is effective in long-term treatment of opioid dependence. It not merely cures the opioid dependence but also cures the infections and weakness from which majority of addicts suffer.

PMID: 19385474

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Black Cumin (Nigella sativa) and Its Active Constituent, Thymoquinone: An Overview on the Analgesic and Anti-inflammatory Effects.

Amin B1, Hosseinzadeh H2.
Author information

Abstract
For many centuries, seeds of Nigella sativa (black cumin), a dicotyledon of the Ranunculaceae family, have been used as a seasoning spice and food additive in the Middle East and Mediterranean areas. Traditionally, the plant is used for asthma, hypertension, diabetes, inflammation, cough, bronchitis, headache, eczema, fever, dizziness, and gastrointestinal disturbances. The literature regarding the biological activities of seeds of this plant is extensive, citing bronchodilative, anti-inflammatory, antinociceptive, antibacterial, hypotensive, hypolipidemic, cytotoxic, antidiabetic, and hepatoprotective effects. The active ingredients of N. sativa are mainly concentrated in the fixed or essential oil of seeds, which are responsible for most health benefits. This review will provide all updated reported activities of this plant with an emphasis on the antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects. Results of various studies have demonstrated that the oil, extracts, and their active ingredients, in particular, thymoquinone, possess antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects, supporting the common folk perception of N. Sativa as a potent analgesic and anti-inflammatory agent. Many protective properties are attributed to reproducible radical scavenging activity as well as an interaction with numerous molecular targets involved in inflammation, including proinflammatory enzymes and cytokines. However, there is a need for further investigations to find out the precise mechanisms responsible for the antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects of this plant and its active constituents.
Georg Thieme Verlag KG Stuttgart · New York.

PMID: 26366755 DOI: 10.1055/s-0035-1557838

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Effect of agmatine on the development of morphine dependence in rats: potential role of cAMP system

Feyza Aricioglu,a,b Andrea Means,b and Soundar Regunathanb,*
Author information ► Copyright and License information ►
The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at Eur J Pharmacol
See other articles in PMC that cite the published article.

Abstract
Agmatine is an endogenous amine derived from arginine that potentiates morphine analgesia and blocks symptoms of naloxone-precipitated morphine withdrawal in rats. In this study, we sought to determine whether treatment with agmatine during the development of morphine dependence inhibits the withdrawal symptoms and that the effect is mediated by cAMP system. Exposure of rats to morphine for 7 days resulted in marked naloxone-induced withdrawal symptoms and agmatine treatment along with morphine significantly decreasing the withdrawal symptoms. The levels of cAMP were markedly increased in morphine-treated rat brain slices when incubated with naloxone and this increase was significantly reduced in rats treated with morphine and agmatine. The induction of tyrosine hydroxylase after morphine exposure was also reduced in locus coeruleus when agmatine was administered along with morphine. We conclude that agmatine reduces the development of dependence to morphine and that this effect is probably mediated by the inhibition of cAMP signaling pathway during chronic morphine exposure.

he most fascinating aspect of agmatine, an endogenous molecule, is its ability to potentiate the analgesic effect of morphine and at the same time to reduce the morphine dependence and withdrawal. The findings from this and previous reports suggest that increasing endogenous agmatine could offer novel therapeutic advantage in morphine analgesia and dependence. For example, combining agmatine with morphine during pain management, while reducing the effective dose of morphine, will also prevent the development of dependence to morphine.

Link: Invalid Link Removed




Effects of agmatine on tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine in mice.

Li J1, Li X, Pei G, Qin BY.
Author information
Abstract
AIM:
To study the effects of agmatine on tolerance to and dependence on morphine.

METHODS: Inhibitory effects of agmatine on tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine were observed in mouse tolerant models and in mouse jumping test, respectively.

RESULTS: Agmatine 0.125-2.5 mg.kg-1 prevented the development of tolerant to morphine in a dose-dependent manner. Pretreatment of mice with morphine induced an over 3-fold increase in analgesic ED50 (20.1, 14.4-28.0 mg.kg-1) than those with normal saline (6.3, 5.1-7.8 mg.kg-1). Pretreatment of mice with both of agmatine and morphine made morphine loss the ability to induce tolerance. Withdrawal jumps and loss in body weight induced by naloxone in morphine-dependent mice were prevented by agmatine (2.5-10 mg.kg-1) in a dose-dependent manner. ED50 of naloxone (21.4, 18.4-24 mg.kg-1) required to precipitate withdrawal jumps in mice pretreated with both agmatine and morphine was 8 times higher than that with morphine alone (2.5, 2.1-2.8 mg.kg-1). These effects of agmatine were blocked by idazoxan.

CONCLUSION: Agmatine prevented tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine in mice by activation of imidazoline receptors.

PMID: 10452098

Link: Invalid Link Removed




Agmatine potentiates the analgesic effect of morphine by an alpha(2)-adrenoceptor-mediated mechanism in mice.

Yeşilyurt O1, Uzbay IT.
Author information

Abstract
The effects of agmatine, which is an endogenous polyamine metabolite formed by decarboxylation of L-arginine, and a combination of agmatine and morphine on tail-flick test have been investigated in mice. Adult male Swiss-Webster mice were used in the study. Agmatine (10, 20 and 40 mg/kg), clonidine (0.15 mg/kg), yohimbine (0.625 and 1.25 mg/kg), or saline were injected into mice intraperitoneally. Morphine (1 and 2 mg/kg) was given subcutaneously. Agmatine alone did not produce any significant change on radiant tail-flick latencies, but it potentiated significantly and dose-dependently morphine-induced (1 mg/kg) analgesia. The potentiating effect of agmatine (40 mg/kg) on morphine-induced analgesia was blocked completely by yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg), a selective alpha(2)-adrenoceptor antagonist, pretreatment. Clonidine (0.15 mg/kg), an alpha(2-)adrenergic receptor agonist, caused a significant increase of the tail-flick latencies of the mice. Yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg) also blocked clonidine-induced analgesia. In addition, yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg) was ineffective on the tail-flick test and did not produce any significant change on the morphine-induced analgesia. Our results indicate that cotreatment of agmatine with morphine produces antinociceptive enhancement via an alpha(2-)adrenergic receptor-mediated mechanism and agmatine-morphine combination may be an effective therapeutic strategy for medical treatment of pain.

PMID: 11377923 DOI: 10.1016/S0893-133X(00)00245-1

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Vicaine PM

"Prohedonic Opioid Anti-inflammatory Complex"



Available Now!!!

20% OFF: arnold20



Guys, Vicaine PM is now available! I will be providing a write-up on the product shortly, which will go in-depth on what it is and how it works.

In the meantime I will leave you with this...



"Vicaine PM is a opioid-based complex containing additional opioid potentiating, anti-tolerance and anti-inflammatory agents. There are no stimulants within Vicaine PM, making it an excellent alternative for anyone who wants to take the product at night (it won't interfere with sleep) or for those who desire a more pure opioid effect. Vicaine PM also contains 40% more tianeptine. In combination with its opioid potentiating and anti-inflammatory compounds, Vicaine PM supplies an extraordinarily potent opioid/analgesic effect that is 50-75% stronger than the original Vicaine. Vicaine PM is an EXTREMELY powerful product. There is truly NOTHING else like it anywhere on the market."


Below I have posted several studies demonstrating the opioid potentiating, anti-tolerance, and anti-inflammatory effects of the secondary compounds in the new Vicaine PM.







A new and novel treatment of opioid dependence: Nigella sativa 500 mg.

Sangi S1, Ahmed SP, Channa MA, Ashfaq M, Mastoi SM.
Author information
Abstract

BACKGROUND: Opioid dependence is one of the major social and psychiatric problem of society. Unfortunately there is no non opiate treatment available. For centuries man has used plants for their healing proprieties. These plants play a fundamental part in all treatment modalities, both ancient and modern.

METHODS: This study was conducted to find non opiate treatment for opiate withdrawal. Total 35 known addicts of opiates were included in the study. This study was based on DSM IV criteria for opioid dependence.

RESULT: This study demonstrates that non opioid treatment for opioid addiction decreases the withdrawal effects significantly. It further demonstrates that there are no changes in physiological parameters of subjects during treatment (BP, Pulse rate etc.). There is increased appetite but no significant weight gain in the subjects.

CONCLUSION: Non opioid drug Nigella sativa is effective in long-term treatment of opioid dependence. It not merely cures the opioid dependence but also cures the infections and weakness from which majority of addicts suffer.

PMID: 19385474

Link: Invalid Link Removed




Black Cumin (Nigella sativa) and Its Active Constituent, Thymoquinone: An Overview on the Analgesic and Anti-inflammatory Effects.

Amin B1, Hosseinzadeh H2.
Author information

Abstract
For many centuries, seeds of Nigella sativa (black cumin), a dicotyledon of the Ranunculaceae family, have been used as a seasoning spice and food additive in the Middle East and Mediterranean areas. Traditionally, the plant is used for asthma, hypertension, diabetes, inflammation, cough, bronchitis, headache, eczema, fever, dizziness, and gastrointestinal disturbances. The literature regarding the biological activities of seeds of this plant is extensive, citing bronchodilative, anti-inflammatory, antinociceptive, antibacterial, hypotensive, hypolipidemic, cytotoxic, antidiabetic, and hepatoprotective effects. The active ingredients of N. sativa are mainly concentrated in the fixed or essential oil of seeds, which are responsible for most health benefits. This review will provide all updated reported activities of this plant with an emphasis on the antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects. Results of various studies have demonstrated that the oil, extracts, and their active ingredients, in particular, thymoquinone, possess antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects, supporting the common folk perception of N. Sativa as a potent analgesic and anti-inflammatory agent. Many protective properties are attributed to reproducible radical scavenging activity as well as an interaction with numerous molecular targets involved in inflammation, including proinflammatory enzymes and cytokines. However, there is a need for further investigations to find out the precise mechanisms responsible for the antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory effects of this plant and its active constituents.
Georg Thieme Verlag KG Stuttgart · New York.

PMID: 26366755 DOI: 10.1055/s-0035-1557838

Link: Invalid Link Removed




Effect of agmatine on the development of morphine dependence in rats: potential role of cAMP system

Feyza Aricioglu,a,b Andrea Means,b and Soundar Regunathanb,*
Author information ► Copyright and License information ►
The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at Eur J Pharmacol
See other articles in PMC that cite the published article.

Abstract
Agmatine is an endogenous amine derived from arginine that potentiates morphine analgesia and blocks symptoms of naloxone-precipitated morphine withdrawal in rats. In this study, we sought to determine whether treatment with agmatine during the development of morphine dependence inhibits the withdrawal symptoms and that the effect is mediated by cAMP system. Exposure of rats to morphine for 7 days resulted in marked naloxone-induced withdrawal symptoms and agmatine treatment along with morphine significantly decreasing the withdrawal symptoms. The levels of cAMP were markedly increased in morphine-treated rat brain slices when incubated with naloxone and this increase was significantly reduced in rats treated with morphine and agmatine. The induction of tyrosine hydroxylase after morphine exposure was also reduced in locus coeruleus when agmatine was administered along with morphine. We conclude that agmatine reduces the development of dependence to morphine and that this effect is probably mediated by the inhibition of cAMP signaling pathway during chronic morphine exposure.

he most fascinating aspect of agmatine, an endogenous molecule, is its ability to potentiate the analgesic effect of morphine and at the same time to reduce the morphine dependence and withdrawal. The findings from this and previous reports suggest that increasing endogenous agmatine could offer novel therapeutic advantage in morphine analgesia and dependence. For example, combining agmatine with morphine during pain management, while reducing the effective dose of morphine, will also prevent the development of dependence to morphine.

Link: Invalid Link Removed




Effects of agmatine on tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine in mice.

Li J1, Li X, Pei G, Qin BY.
Author information
Abstract
AIM:
To study the effects of agmatine on tolerance to and dependence on morphine.

METHODS: Inhibitory effects of agmatine on tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine were observed in mouse tolerant models and in mouse jumping test, respectively.

RESULTS: Agmatine 0.125-2.5 mg.kg-1 prevented the development of tolerant to morphine in a dose-dependent manner. Pretreatment of mice with morphine induced an over 3-fold increase in analgesic ED50 (20.1, 14.4-28.0 mg.kg-1) than those with normal saline (6.3, 5.1-7.8 mg.kg-1). Pretreatment of mice with both of agmatine and morphine made morphine loss the ability to induce tolerance. Withdrawal jumps and loss in body weight induced by naloxone in morphine-dependent mice were prevented by agmatine (2.5-10 mg.kg-1) in a dose-dependent manner. ED50 of naloxone (21.4, 18.4-24 mg.kg-1) required to precipitate withdrawal jumps in mice pretreated with both agmatine and morphine was 8 times higher than that with morphine alone (2.5, 2.1-2.8 mg.kg-1). These effects of agmatine were blocked by idazoxan.

CONCLUSION: Agmatine prevented tolerance to and substance dependence on morphine in mice by activation of imidazoline receptors.

PMID: 10452098

Link: Invalid Link Removed




Agmatine potentiates the analgesic effect of morphine by an alpha(2)-adrenoceptor-mediated mechanism in mice.

Yeşilyurt O1, Uzbay IT.
Author information

Abstract
The effects of agmatine, which is an endogenous polyamine metabolite formed by decarboxylation of L-arginine, and a combination of agmatine and morphine on tail-flick test have been investigated in mice. Adult male Swiss-Webster mice were used in the study. Agmatine (10, 20 and 40 mg/kg), clonidine (0.15 mg/kg), yohimbine (0.625 and 1.25 mg/kg), or saline were injected into mice intraperitoneally. Morphine (1 and 2 mg/kg) was given subcutaneously. Agmatine alone did not produce any significant change on radiant tail-flick latencies, but it potentiated significantly and dose-dependently morphine-induced (1 mg/kg) analgesia. The potentiating effect of agmatine (40 mg/kg) on morphine-induced analgesia was blocked completely by yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg), a selective alpha(2)-adrenoceptor antagonist, pretreatment. Clonidine (0.15 mg/kg), an alpha(2-)adrenergic receptor agonist, caused a significant increase of the tail-flick latencies of the mice. Yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg) also blocked clonidine-induced analgesia. In addition, yohimbine (0.625 mg/kg) was ineffective on the tail-flick test and did not produce any significant change on the morphine-induced analgesia. Our results indicate that cotreatment of agmatine with morphine produces antinociceptive enhancement via an alpha(2-)adrenergic receptor-mediated mechanism and agmatine-morphine combination may be an effective therapeutic strategy for medical treatment of pain.

PMID: 11377923 DOI: 10.1016/S0893-133X(00)00245-1

Link: Invalid Link Removed

It's really too bad that the inclusion of Nigella sativa will limit your audience for this. It will be good for a straight drug addicts but a lot of the older people who use it.
 
Products are heading in some crazy directions right now.

In the cannabis legal states you will be seeing supplements with their extracts soon. I know because we are legalizing for Canada next year and r&d is already under way.

Turns out turpines and other constituents (with effects varying from antioxidant to analgesic to nootropic) can be water soluble on a cyclodextrin backbone.

I helped a buddy get his formulations in order and upon looking into licensing we already see it being done in other capacities. Patent is already there.

2018-2020 is going to be crazy for supplement innovations, I'm calling it.
 
Products are heading in some crazy directions right now.

In the cannabis legal states you will be seeing supplements with their extracts soon. I know because we are legalizing for Canada next year and r&d is already under way.

Turns out turpines and other constituents (with effects varying from antioxidant to analgesic to nootropic) can be water soluble on a cyclodextrin backbone.

I helped a buddy get his formulations in order and upon looking into licensing we already see it being done in other capacities. Patent is already there.

2018-2020 is going to be crazy for supplement innovations, I'm calling it.

We've been crazy going on 15 years.
 
What do you guys think of Nutra Innovations? I've been thinking about using some of their products are they quality? They have some pretty nice muscle builders and hormonals.
 
It's really too bad that the inclusion of Nigella sativa will limit your audience for this. It will be good for a straight drug addicts but a lot of the older people who use it.

I don't understand. I included the Nigella Sativa for two reasons. One, it PREVENTS tolerance/dependence to tianeptine and two, it provides anti-inflammatory/analgesic effects.

If anything, it is a positive addition for everyone, regardless of their reason for using the product.
 
The Solution what's the most filling protein blend product you have used something good thick that helps with hunger.

I'm sure The Solution will have some good input but in the meantime, kaged muscle kasein is my go-to filling protein. (Really any casein protein will be thick and gel your stomach to keep you satiated.)

I mix half a scoop with some oatmeal and add cinnamon and that holds me over for hours.
 
The Solution what's the most filling protein blend product you have used something good thick that helps with hunger.

No protein is really going to help with hunger honestly... Its the least satisfying source of protein you can use. If possible aim for whole foods due to satiety.
But if you want a blend i would go with
-PES and get the vanilla or white chocolate mint(other flavors mix very thin)
-Man Sports is extremly thick PB Bits and Cookie Stuffed Cookie.
- Beverly CNC, Graham Cracker, Rocky Road (all mix thick and taste incredible)
If you want a straight Casein I would go with MuscleTech, Kaged (have not tried), SAN Casein (tastes great)
 
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I love their bars, but I'm slightly disappointed that it is a typical flavor.
Yeah, that's some low hanging fruit right there for bars. That's like making a chocolate protein powder...
 
I don't understand. I included the Nigella Sativa for two reasons. One, it PREVENTS tolerance/dependence to tianeptine and two, it provides anti-inflammatory/analgesic effects.

If anything, it is a positive addition for everyone, regardless of their reason for using the product.

Yeah, not a knock, I didn't intend it to come out that way. It isn't a positive addition for everyone though. Many people are on opioids because of chronic pain, and many of these people are elderly patients or people with other underlying conditions. If someone is on a drug like Warfarin, for instance, this product would be great except they couldn't take the Nigella Sativa with the Warfarin.

Agmatine/NS are both potent potentiators of opioids and greatly reduce tolerance/required doses/escalation. So they are great ingredients.

It is just too bad that some of the people who could use something like this the most, won't be able to use it.
 
Does not have to be unique for it to be executed well. Sometimes the basic things in life that are simple on paper end up being home runs.

Fit crunch PB prime example. Not unique just done right
Oh yeah birthday cake ... simple yet on point

That's fair. Even in my example, many brands don't do a very good job with chocolate even though every brand has a version of it.

I'm still holding out for someone to do a great version of Mexican hot chocolate (spicy chocolate) or a biscuit and peach jelly (maybe even habanero flavor mixed in?) flavor. I'm a sucker for desserts with a spicy element.

Has anyone done a root beer float bar yet?
 
That's fair. Even in my example, many brands don't do a very good job with chocolate even though every brand has a version of it.

I'm still holding out for someone to do a great version of Mexican hot chocolate (spicy chocolate) or a biscuit and peach jelly (maybe even habanero flavor mixed in?) flavor. I'm a sucker for desserts with a spicy element.

Has anyone done a root beer float bar yet?

While you have great dreams those flavors don't sell

Basic things sell
Top selling protein powder flavors ---- vanilla and chocolate

Yeah I get you like exclusive and unique ideas . Problems are they collect dust for companies. Does not do them any good when they collect dust and don't push products .

Another reason why basic and simple things simply sell they have more universal attraction
 
While you have great dreams those flavors don't sell

Basic things sell
Top selling protein powder flavors ---- vanilla and chocolate

Yeah I get you like exclusive and unique ideas . Problems are they collect dust for companies. Does not do them any good when they collect dust and don't push products .

Another reason why basic and simple things simply sell they have more universal attraction

Oh, I know. That's why I'm holding out hope. It would be a terrible business move, but maybe someone would be dumb enough one day. Or maybe do a small batch release, similar to how craft breweries do seasonal beers that would never really sell long-term. As a protein brand, you have to do chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla. Even cookies and creme is starting to get into riskier territory, especially for smaller operations.

I wasn't saying I was expecting Grenade would do something as outrageous as what I'm saying. I just share his disappointment for it being chocolate chip cookie-flavored.
 
Oh, I know. That's why I'm holding out hope. It would be a terrible business move, but maybe someone would be dumb enough one day. Or maybe do a small batch release, similar to how craft breweries do seasonal beers that would never really sell long-term. As a protein brand, you have to do chocolate, strawberry, and vanilla. Even cookies and creme is starting to get into riskier territory, especially for smaller operations.

I wasn't saying I was expecting Grenade would do something as outrageous as what I'm saying. I just share his disappointment for it being chocolate chip cookie-flavored.

If cookies and cream is risky that's MTS top selling flavor and same with Beverly. Far from risky and why a majority of top brands sell that flavor .
 
If cookies and cream is risky that's MTS top selling flavor and same with Beverly. Far from risky and why a majority of top brands sell that flavor .

Color me corrected! I do get your point, though. As a business, you sell what sells. Getting fancy with your flavors for the sake of being different means you're spending money on designing and producing things that don't sell.
 
Does not have to be unique for it to be executed well. Sometimes the basic things in life that are simple on paper end up being home runs.

Fit crunch PB prime example. Not unique just done right
Oh yeah birthday cake ... simple yet on point

You got that right
 
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coming very soon from HTP.


This will be the first of its kind, and the first orally available IGF-1 product that actually works thanks to the direct to blood delivery system found in Cyclosome delivery.

Some examples of delivery systems successfully delivering proteins/peptides via oral routes of administration:

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at the HTP suggested dosing, yes.


I have a strong feeling not everyone will abide by that dosing strategy however, as most don't with prohormones or normal anabolics as well ha

Haha ye! Look interesting but I am on mk677 for the long run, I don't think adding this will provide more igf 1 benefit?
 
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coming very soon from HTP.


This will be the first of its kind, and the first orally available IGF-1 product that actually works thanks to the direct to blood delivery system found in Cyclosome delivery.

Some examples of delivery systems successfully delivering proteins/peptides via oral routes of administration:

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Am I reading those studies wrong, or were they all in vitro?
 
no news I have heard of



if you google in vivo liposomal peptide delivery more studies than I can post on this forum come up pretty quickly
Why not post those studies instead then?

I'm not denying that there is research showing liposomal delivery can help, I was just asking, because those studies don't seem to deal with oral administration, so it confused me. I just searched and quickly skimmed over the full text of all the studies you linked/referenced, and none of them used oral administration (unless I really missed something).

My point wasn't that this product/technology doesn't have potential, just that, for people who may not actually read through the abstract, let alone the full text, your post seemed to indicated that a higher level of certainty/evidence than the studies you mentioned really provide. You mentioned "examples of delivery systems successfully delivering proteins/peptides via oral routes of administration," but none of the examples actually used oral administration. Perhaps they referenced other studies using oral administration (but then why not just reference those instead?), but I couldn't even find any references to that sort of study.

Again, I'm not knocking the product or saying it won't work at all, or that the liposomal delivery system won't/doesn't work, just that I don't think the current research makes it 100% certain that it will make IGF-1 orally bioavailable/feasible/useful etc at relevant/effective doses. It has potential, and would be cool to try and get some feedback on, but from what I've seen (and what you've posted) it's not quite as clear or cut and dry as something like curcumin with some sort of delivery system.

Just my $0.02.
 
The purpose of the links I provided was to show the science behind it being even slightly feasible.

If I really want to make a point here id post the numerous studied available that show oral IGF-1 works, just insanely high doses are need...I'm sure you can find those quickly as well
 
The purpose of the links I provided was to show the science behind it being even slightly feasible.

If I really want to make a point here id post the numerous studied available that show oral IGF-1 works, just insanely high doses are need...I'm sure you can find those quickly as well
My point was that your comments/claims didn't match up with the studies (hence why I asked if I was reading the studies wrong), not that your claims are inherently wrong because of that.
 
My biggest question about the new Hi Tech IGF product is the doasage. People use 40-60mcg of injectible IGF1 LR3 prior to exercise. 20mcg orally seems like a small dosage. And why 20mcg per 5 tablets? Thats a lot of tablets for just 20mcg worth of active compound.
 
ON already is working on another flavor of cake bites according to their IG . You can guess what it is up till August 22nd....

So we should see another one roll out by end of the month
 
I picked up the cake bites today, excited to try them later.

Had a bite of the chocolate covered cherry one and it was pretty good. Girlfriend didn't like the texture of it though
 
Bday Cake is the only one worth trying, the other 2 are meh (RV/Cherry) both tasted artificial pretty damn bad.

I have tried those 3 - was just trying to get a sense for how choc donut compares to Bday. I actually like them all lol
 
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