Ask Me Anything AAS/PH/PCT Related
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jt75
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But if the turk is the real thing then it would be a good stack although I'd mega dose the turk solo first
Danes
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Both your post are correct and I totaly agree!
I personaly dont trust until I see COA or some paper proving the quality.
Seen and heard many times statements such as "we do offer real ICPS raws and we know ICPS manager very well etc." from companies and at the end of the day it turns to be lie and ICPS confirm its lie!
Example:
1.I am making a product containing patent Ashwagandha KSM66. I would proudly use their logo on the bottles to show customers I use quality ashwagandha.
ICPS has not fancy logo but there would be NO problem getting COA or a letter from them confirming they sell their raws to the company.
2. Even if companies buy/use patent extracts/quality extracts , it does not mean 100% whats on the label , thats in the caps.
Example:
I buy KSM66 (Ashwagandha) from.patent holder and that allows me to use their logo on the bottles.
I write 600mg KSM66 in each serving (3 caps)., but i can still put 50mg in each cap if I want and still use their logo on the bottles. KSM66 patent holder does not care what I do with the raw I buy. And they will NEVER lab test my product either.
Sadly, There is much ****ty business !
Tank999
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Thanks - that about covers it. Much appreciated!
brofessorx
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Wrong section none of those are anabolic brother. This goes in the supp section with the rest of the Magic herbs n spices.
wrxwhit
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Sorry to thread jack but WTF is any of this bull crap?? Looks like a big waste of money. James, your either taking steroids or your not, in between guessing if something is gonna work is just silly. Well there are sarms too which are in between, but eating seaweed ain't gonna get you huge as you state in your profile. I'm sorry, just trying to lead you into a diff direction. Your either natty or your not, nothing in between.
Spurfy
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8 weeks.
Totally meaningless, unless you're curious to know numbers during PCT.
Cortisol is bad?
sespress
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Cortisol, I understand that it can elevate in PCT. Is that not correct? I'm really not sure what the impact of that is.
Was curious about the numbers but not gonna pay 60 for curiosity only =)
Spurfy
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Cortisol is suppressed by testosterone during cycle, it returns to normal levels in PCT. Cortisol is nothing to be afraid of -- if it's elevated then generally it needs to be. The only time elevated cortisol should be a concern is if an adrenal tumor is suspected. Cortisol doesn't "eat muscle" and a person should never try and lower their levels unless they have symptoms of Cushing's disease. Cortisol is released in response to stress to help the brain/body deal with this stress, and without adequate cortisol very, very bad things happen.
Caldwood
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Drop it on different areas of the body once am and once pm. Keep away from your balls and I'm running 250 mg a day TD with trest pwo and 50mg of dmz daily. The ****s awesome.
YLB
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So I was wondering. When I start my pct I would like to have everything in order. For example i have done some reading and I came across some clomid and letrezole, only to find out that letre may not be the way to go. In its place I found arimidex, and then with some more reading aromasin was preferred. Also when to start the AI is also a little vague as well. And the schedule to take it. Can anyone please help?
YLB
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So I was wondering. When I start my pct I would like to have everything in order. For example i have done some reading and I came across some clomid and letrezole, only to find out that letre may not be the way to go. In its place I found arimidex, and then with some more reading aromasin was preferred. Also when to start the AI is also a little vague as well. And the schedule to take it. Can you please help?
Trumper
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I'm going to start another cycle soon of halo and epistane, last cycle was hit bad by lethargy and shut down in week 3-4, I'm adding 4-andro this cycle as test base, what would anyone recommend to run the 4-andro dosage at as a test base for this cycle.
appreciate the input.
should of said running for 5 weeks at:
epi 20/20/30/30/20
halo 50/50/50/75/75
I'm going to run estro strike with it as well as usual on cycle support (blood p, liv, joint)
I'm 45, 6ft, 185lb, 2 milder cycles of ph under belt already if that helps
appreciate the input.
should of said running for 5 weeks at:
epi 20/20/30/30/20
halo 50/50/50/75/75
I'm going to run estro strike with it as well as usual on cycle support (blood p, liv, joint)
I'm 45, 6ft, 185lb, 2 milder cycles of ph under belt already if that helps
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mike33511
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330mg/day
Trumper
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thanks, appreciate it mike.
InItForGainz
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If it's your first injectable cycle I'd recommend you just stick with the test. You need to find out how your body reacts to the test aswell as what dose and dosing timings works best for you with the solo test first before throwing anything else into the mix.
Spurfy
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If you're not too thrilled about injecting, then cyp would be a much better choice. While not ideal, you can go as long as once a week between injections with cyp.
I like to inject any ester EOD with a 29 ga 1/2" slin pin, rotating quads and delts.
brofessorx
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There is no testosterone in tablets.
There is andriol in a gel capsule, but you'd need to take in about 10 caps per day, for 8 weeks to really notice something.
It'd be cheaper to go with one of the andro's available on the market.
There is andriol in a gel capsule, but you'd need to take in about 10 caps per day, for 8 weeks to really notice something.
It'd be cheaper to go with one of the andro's available on the market.
brofessorx
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Tiz all about dem GAINZ :lmao:
PeaceMAC
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Hey man! So I finished an 8 week methylated pro hormone cycle at the end of March. I'm going to be running super 1&4 with kings guard and kings blood (SERM on hand just in case) during the month of May and 2 weeks in June. Was just wondering if this looks safe/okay to you? I recovered from the last cycle (drol) really well, and kept around 95% of the gains due to how hard I hit the gym. I've been sustaining now and breaking down the "fluff" that drol seemed to offer my body, and I'm looking to break through this weight plateau with this cycle. Any recommendations or anything before I start it??
Brandinooooo
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Which "drol"? You said prohormone so I'm guessing its not anadrol or superdrol. If it is one of those, then a 1&4 cycle would feel lacking. If not, then it looks good.
PeaceMAC
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Sorry! It was m drol so essentially SD, yes. And I gained 32 lb in 30 days on it.. and I'm just looking to gain around 11 in 6 weeks. However those 32 lb were a bounce back from a hiatus of lifting so don't be too shocked by that weight gain. Held 28 of those lb @ 184 now 2 months later
Brandinooooo
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Sounds about right from legit sdrol. Especially if your weight was bouncing back. Peraonally, I wouldn't go the 1&4 route after a sdrol cycle. They are good but once you get a taste for real aas, there's no going back.
PeaceMAC
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That's what I kinda figured... oh well. Thing is I've already ordered it and wanted to see how these "light weight" PHs hold up. Everything I've read has told me similar to what you're saying, but I wanna see what I can personally do with it. I just wanted to make sure I'm safe to start this 8 weeks after.
Should I just run suggested dosage or run a little higher/ramp up?
Brandinooooo
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I always suggest 300+ for both. I've ran 1-andro multiple times with IM dosages of 700+ a week. Which is very high. Its underrated in my opinion so 450 or maybe even 500 per day is reasonable for you.
4-andro is basically test so it can be ran higher as well with little sides.
PeaceMAC
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Thanks brother I'll probably post some updates in the future!!
Brandinooooo
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Your welcome. Keep us posted. Don't hesitate to ask questions. Start at 450 or so. I would go 500 or whatever 5 caps would be depending on brand.
smitty262
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Ok so I can get everything need from the same source only hope they are gtg I have heard a lot of good things about the source so gonna give them a shot. So which test would be best for the making the most gains currently cutting down almost down to my goal only a few weeks maybe a month away then gonna get ready for a clean bulk I guess you would say.
Brandinooooo
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Test is Test is Test. Only difference is the ester. I prefer prop since its short acting and only takes about a week to start working.
mike33511
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Which prohormone are you referring to?
PeaceMAC
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What PH man?? Most of the new weaker ones 8 weeks is normal. DROL or epi I probably wouldn't run over 30 days and 6 weeks for epi (real epi)
LordGunz
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Halodrol the new one from gaspari.. I ran haloplex years ago and I think Rpn havoc didn't know what I was doing and was young and dumb
BamBam0319
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Bro test c will give you soooo many more gainz than test e! But test p.... man. Gainz are out of this world.
Danes
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1. "SERM on Hand Just in Care"
I hope for god sake you ran SERM after your drol cycle.
2. You kept 95% of the gains after your last cycle. Damn man, 95% is pretty detailed number
3.you want to break through weight plateau? Very simple. EAT! Dont expect those things from pills. Let me say it very simple:
You use Pills and needles to get bigger thanks to plenty of GOOD food. Dont expect anything from a cycle if your diet is average or bad.
I am 100% natural and never ran any prohormones,steroids etc but I am.232lbs.130lbs when I started lifting.
I am not strong, but volume is not bad at all. Even bigger than many people here where I live who use steroids. (Even been using many years). Why? Because I eat better. I Eat more. Not just one or couple days in week.everyday!
So my best recommendation for you is you need to eat more.
Running andros almost right after a methylated PH cycle, it sounds like you are desperate to add some weight etc.
PeaceMAC
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1. "SERM on Hand Just in Care"
I hope for god sake you ran SERM after your drol cycle
2. You kept 95% of the gains after your last cycle. Damn man, 95% is pretty detailed number
3.you want to break through weight plateau? Very simple. EAT! Dont expect those things from pills. Let me say it very simple:
You use Pills and needles to get bigger thanks to plenty of GOOD food. Dont expect anything from a cycle if your diet is average or bad.
I am 100% natural and never ran any prohormones,steroids etc but I am.232lbs.130lbs when I started lifting.
I am not strong, but volume is not bad at all. Even bigger than many people here where I live who use steroids. (Even been using many years). Why? Because I eat better. I Eat more. Not just one or couple days in week.everyday!
So my best recommendation for you is you need to eat more.
Running andros almost right after a methylated PH cycle, it sounds like you are desperate to add some weight etc.
retracted i apologise. I'll take strong consideration into your tips. Thanks man.
Brandinooooo
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1. "SERM on Hand Just in Care"
I hope for god sake you ran SERM after your drol cycle.
2. You kept 95% of the gains after your last cycle. Damn man, 95% is pretty detailed number
3.you want to break through weight plateau? Very simple. EAT! Dont expect those things from pills. Let me say it very simple:
You use Pills and needles to get bigger thanks to plenty of GOOD food. Dont expect anything from a cycle if your diet is average or bad.
I am 100% natural and never ran any prohormones,steroids etc but I am.232lbs.130lbs when I started lifting.
I am not strong, but volume is not bad at all. Even bigger than many people here where I live who use steroids. (Even been using many years). Why? Because I eat better. I Eat more. Not just one or couple days in week.everyday!
So my best recommendation for you is you need to eat more.
Running andros almost right after a methylated PH cycle, it sounds like you are desperate to add some weight etc.
Bruh, he knows more than damn near everyone. Listen to what he says.
Danes
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I am glad you ran full serm PCT. And continue that in the future too.
I need to laugh. Nutri Verse said you shouldnt experience any suppression of 1/4DHEA ? Thats why I am here.......
1. It WILL suppress your T levels. How much and how long may vary from person to person. Many people say "hey I felt no suppression at all". Oh really ? How a suppression feels?bloodwork is the only answer!
I had severe sleep apnea in the past but I had never problem with libido +++. But my T levels was just 250. So of you want to be sure whats going on with your T levels, take a bloodwork and not focus on "hearsay".
Remember when SARM was introduced such as Ostarine ? Claimed to be non-suppressive and some companies added it to OTC PCT products. Well, it turned to be very wrong because ostarine IS Suppressive!
My friend ran 330mg 1-DHEA and 4-DHEA.(without SERM/PCT after). After the run his libido was bad and almost no sexdrive at all. I recommended him to see the doctor checking T levels. Well, his T levels was damn low and doc prescribed Clomid to him.
Will this happen to you?only god knows (bloodwork), but one thing is 100% sure, there will be suppression and why gamble with it ?
Proper PCT will not only help you restore HPTA fastest as possible but it may even give you better T production than before the cycle.
PeaceMAC
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Yeah it didn't sound right to me at all, the no SERM business. Thanks again for the insight man. I'll be getting blood work done (first time) right after my move! In early July. Or whej would it be best? Right after PCT or wait a couple of weeks??
Danes
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No problem at all. Anytime.
I personaly would run Bloodwork prior a cycle (to see how T levels was before cycle), then you can run 2-4 weeks after your SERM. Use Clomid for PCT.
Clomid has higher affinity for binding to receptors in hypothalamus while nolva has higher affinity for binding to receptors in breast tissue.
PeaceMAC
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Perfect. I might be able to line up some blood work before but everything is a bit hectic at the moment. I ran clomid my first PCT and (I know you can't tell for sure) felt great using it. So I ordered some more of it. Il have to keep you posted in the following weeks.
Danes
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Thats great. If you cant take bloodwork prior, just make sure you take after your Clomid run. In some cases HCG is needed (it depends on the cycle,your HPTA +++).
Faster your HPTA recover from a cycle=easier to keep the achieved gains after a cycle and continue with gains thanks to optimal T / hormone levels