SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

[mmorso]

Gyno issues from lgd solo?

I was thinking the same thing..

 

[BloodManor]

What brand is the Lgd?

Mine is iron mag labs

 

[Danrey]

How long do SARMS last after expiry date? I've got 3 bottles of Olympus labs LGD as well as Ostar1ne that I won't be able to use for quite some time if at all. Is it okay to use them after they expire? Otherwise i think i'll get rid of them

 

[yates84]

How long do SARMS last after expiry date? I've got 3 bottles of Olympus labs LGD as well as Ostar1ne that I won't be able to use for quite some time if at all. Is it okay to use them after they expire? Otherwise i think i'll get rid of them

Store them properly and they will be good for years and years past expiration

 

[gagandugan]

How long do SARMS last after expiry date? I've got 3 bottles of Olympus labs LGD as well as Ostar1ne that I won't be able to use for quite some time if at all. Is it okay to use them after they expire? Otherwise i think i'll get rid of them

If you plan to get rid of them, let me know via pm. I'd be interested in some Ostar1ne, maybe even LGD.

 

[muzza12]

What brand is the Lgd?

Solo was primeval labs this time lgd n s4 is focused nutrition osta is Olympus. Yeh filled up with water nipples got sensitive lumps started growing. Upped my Ai an they came good.

 

[solidsnake]

I pretty sure primeval are supposed to be legit mate, but as we all know, people react differently. Maybe it's your system producing more estrogen because it sensed a test boost, I've ran lgd a few times from different brands and never got anything like that...

 

[muzza12]

yeh Iv ran epistane before and had no gyno issues but this stuff seems to set it off. But the gyno I can handle it's the back pumps that are killing me. I'll up the potassium n make sure the sodium is all good first give it a few weeks if that doesn't help I'll try the aromasin and let yas know how that goes

 

[solidsnake]

How much taurine are you taking? 5 grams should sought it really

 

[muzza12]

6 on off days 10 pre workout

 

[muzza12]

Update on back pump issue. Upped potassium reduced salt increased water. Pumps are still crazy can't even think about dead lifts. After a few sets on any muscle the pump is freakish it's just that the back 1s hurt. I seem to be fairly dry atm aswell. Considering dropping s4 or osta to see if that makes the bearable. Thoughts?

 

[DanFit]

Dear Members,

Can i try:

LGD 6 weeks (first timer better not go 8 weeks) then after that clomid for 3 weeks+natty test bosster+DAA (i already have powdered pure DAA).

Can i take a standalone GW for 4 to 6 weeks AFTER the above 6weeks LGD & 3weeks PCT? as a BRIDGE before i start my next cycle of either RAD or Ostarine. so technically the downtime will only be about 4 weeks only of not taking any sarms

I dont like to not be on any supps/sarms..kinda feel vulnerable.

 

[yates84]

Dear Members,

Can i try:

LGD 6 weeks (first timer better not go 8 weeks) then after that clomid for 3 weeks+natty test bosster+DAA (i already have powdered pure DAA).

Can i take a standalone GW for 4 to 6 weeks AFTER the above 6weeks LGD & 3weeks PCT? as a BRIDGE before i start my next cycle of either RAD or Ostarine. so technically the downtime will only be about 4 weeks only of not taking any sarms

I dont like to not be on any supps/sarms..kinda feel vulnerable.

Just replied to your pm

 

[chedapalooza]

Good video on rad140 here from TGB Supplements YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTLaEXgKfaw @tgbsupplements

 

[yates84]

Good video on rad140 here from TGB Supplements YouTube https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kTLaEXgKfaw @tgbsupplements

Thanks for the post my friend

 

[risky_racer]

Hey guys//Yates, awesome user guide and love the cycle examples you posted on the first page especially for beginners.

I'm a complete beginner, trained natural for 5 years, 30 years old ..6'0 tall 183 lbs 12% body fat ...thinking of diving into sarms (liquid form) to get a much fuller/healthier look as right now I think I look too frail and don't have a imposing physique. Natty grind is a freakin GRIND for sure.

I've done some research, would this be a good stack for someone looking to add Size, Strength, and Cutting? My goal is to drop some body fat while add some lean hard muscle. My research has lead me to GW501516 and MK2866 stack? If this is OK for a beginner, can I please get some advice on how to properly dose this and the PCT needed afterwards?

 

[yates84]

Hey guys//Yates, awesome user guide and love the cycle examples you posted on the first page especially for beginners.

I'm a complete beginner, trained natural for 5 years, 30 years old ..6'0 tall 183 lbs 12% body fat ...thinking of diving into sarms (liquid form) to get a much fuller/healthier look as right now I think I look too frail and don't have a imposing physique. Natty grind is a freakin GRIND for sure.

I've done some research, would this be a good stack for someone looking to add Size, Strength, and Cutting? My goal is to drop some body fat while add some lean hard muscle. My research has lead me to GW501516 and MK2866 stack? If this is OK for a beginner, can I please get some advice on how to properly dose this and the PCT needed afterwards?

Osta is better used in a deficit to preserve muscle, its not as good at adding lean mass. I would go for a lgd cycle at 10mg for 8 weeks. Lgd is much better suited for your goals imo. Standard serm pct as posted on the first page will be more than sufficient. Welcome to am.

 

[DeBoe40]

I'm real sorry for my ignorance in math, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to convert. I need to take 10mg. The bottle says 25mg and is a 30mil bottle. How much do I draw in the syringe? Thanks

 

[BennyMagoo79]

I'm real sorry for my ignorance in math, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to convert. I need to take 10mg. The bottle says 25mg and is a 30mil bottle. How much do I draw in the syringe? Thanks

Bit less than half the dropper

 

[gagandugan]

.4ml

 

[fro60ol]

I'm real sorry for my ignorance in math, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to convert. I need to take 10mg. The bottle says 25mg and is a 30mil bottle. How much do I draw in the syringe? Thanks

You have 25mg in one ml so like the guy above me .4ML is what you want to take

 

[yates84]

Liquid sarms will make you a math guru in no time! Seriously, get close to the desired dose and roll with it, a few mg won't make or break your cycle

 

[RANS0M]

Apparently I don't have enough posts to post links, pics etc...On the YouTube channel "NEWROIDS" there's a video about LGD 3033 which has nothing to do with LGD 4033. It's a GH secretagogue stronger than MK677 and without the bloat.
yates84 you know anything about this one?

 

[yates84]

Apparently I don't have enough posts to post links, pics etc...On the YouTube channel "NEWROIDS" there's a video about LGD 3033 which has nothing to do with LGD 4033. It's a GH secretagogue stronger than MK677 and without the bloat.
yates84 you know anything about this one?

Never heard if it but will definitely look into it

 

[risky_racer]

Question regarding the math; (btw, my compounds and dropper havent arrived yet..first time newbie here)

so for example of a bottle of mk677 of 25mg x 30 ml, if my dose is 25mg , that's the entire dropper to be filled up? is the dropper 1 ML worth?

and LGD bottle is 10 mg x 30 ml, so if my dose is 5 mg, that's .5 ML ?

 

[BennyMagoo79]

Question regarding the math; (btw, my compounds and dropper havent arrived yet..first time newbie here)

so for example of a bottle of mk677 of 25mg x 30 ml, if my dose is 25mg , that's the entire dropper to be filled up? is the dropper 1 ML worth?

and LGD bottle is 10 mg x 30 ml, so if my dose is 5 mg, that's .5 ML ?

Correct.

 

[fro60ol]

Question regarding the math; (btw, my compounds and dropper havent arrived yet..first time newbie here)

so for example of a bottle of mk677 of 25mg x 30 ml, if my dose is 25mg , that's the entire dropper to be filled up? is the dropper 1 ML worth?

and LGD bottle is 10 mg x 30 ml, so if my dose is 5 mg, that's .5 ML ?

I would get an oral syringe that dropper is probably not that accurate.

 

[Urqa]

First cycle advice, RAD or LGD, I am looking at mainly strength gains

 

[Joe12]

First cycle advice, RAD or LGD, I am looking at mainly strength gains

I've never done RAD, but have run LGD. From everything I read, RAD will knock you down in only 3-4 weeks. Where you can run LGD around 2-months. However, from my experience, I would not run LGD without a test base. I only made it 5 1/2 weeks and couldn't stand the lethargy, and decided to cut my run short.

 

[Urqa]

I've never done RAD, but have run LGD. From everything I read, RAD will knock you down in only 3-4 weeks. Where you can run LGD around 2-months. However, from my experience, I would not run LGD without a test base. I only made it 5 1/2 weeks and couldn't stand the lethargy, and decided to cut my run short.

What if i planned on a 4 week run?

 

[justhere4comm]

SARM's, MK, & GW : A User's Guide

4 weeks won't have much effect with SARMS. 8-12.

Your going to do a mini pct at least of 3 weeks with a SERM. Why not go 8-12 with your run?

Test Base would help with lethargy.

 

[jmaplewood]

I'm 7 weeks into Rad, lgd, Sup3r dhea, 3 months mk677. Lethargy is there, but not too bad. 2 ml dhea in the am, 8 mg Rad, bumping lgd to 10 for last 4 weeks of cycle (12 weeks). Hunger definitely up, strength and size there, but not what they should be though due to missing a lot of gym time in the last 3 weeks.

 

[Joe12]

What if i planned on a 4 week run?

It takes 3-weeks before it begins to shine. I would go 6 to 8 weeks for your first run.

 

[Haymaker210]

Hi guys,

been lifting naturally for about 6 years, had a serious lack of motivation the last year due to gains coming at a snails pace and subsequently had about 5 months out of the gym and have gotten really out of shape.

I want to start a SARM cycle to get me motivated and get me back in shape quicker than what could be achieved naturally.

Due to me never using any kind of PED in the past I want to start off with something really mild to see how I get on with it.

I am going to do an 8 week solo Ostarine run

15/15/20/20/25/25/25/25

I want to use Nolvadex for PCT

20/20/10/10

Would this be sufficient PCT for an 8 week solo Osta run?

While on cycle I will take, multi vit, fish oil, glucosamine, ZMA and 5-HTP if I have trouble sleeping.

Does this all seem ok to you? Do I need to add anything else in?

 

[gagandugan]

That is a sufficient PCT, yes. Everything seems OK, go for it. Ostarine is good for cutting, not so much for bulking; keep that in mind. If you are cutting, you can combine it with some ECA, works great.

 

[justhere4comm]

Clomid would be better.

25/25/25/12.5/12.5

 

[gagandugan]

Nolva is just fine.

 

[Haymaker210]

That is a sufficient PCT, yes. Everything seems OK, go for it. Ostarine is good for cutting, not so much for bulking; keep that in mind. If you are cutting, you can combine it with some ECA, works great.

Thanks for your help, I know Ostarine is geared more towards cutting and I am not expecting miracles from it, my time out the gym has led me to gaining a lot of fat (over 1stone) and loosing muscle.

So my main aim really for this cycle is to loose the gut, get definition back to my body. I am also hoping that the combination of muscle memory and the albeit mild anabolic effects of Osta will bring back the muscle I have lost fairly quickly.

I will see how my body gets on with this and if all goes well then I will look into trying something with more muscle building potential in the future.

 

[Haymaker210]

Clomid would be better.

25/25/25/12.5/12.5

Hey thanks for the input, could you briefly explain to me why clomid is better? My main reason for using Nolva is I read that Clomid can make you emotional lol! Which I would like to avoid if possible

 

[justhere4comm]

Clomid is better for HPTA restart than Nolva. At these low doses. Below 50mg. You would be hard pressed for sides.

If you already have the Nolva don't sweat it.

 

[warpyfunch]

Hi guys,

been lifting naturally for about 6 years, had a serious lack of motivation the last year due to gains coming at a snails pace and subsequently had about 5 months out of the gym and have gotten really out of shape.

I want to start a SARM cycle to get me motivated and get me back in shape quicker than what could be achieved naturally.

Due to me never using any kind of PED in the past I want to start off with something really mild to see how I get on with it.

I am going to do an 8 week solo Ostarine run

15/15/20/20/25/25/25/25

I want to use Nolvadex for PCT

20/20/10/10

Would this be sufficient PCT for an 8 week solo Osta run?

While on cycle I will take, multi vit, fish oil, glucosamine, ZMA and 5-HTP if I have trouble sleeping.

Does this all seem ok to you? Do I need to add anything else in?

Your plan is pretty solid, however I would personally make a few changes.

First, when getting back into the gym, I would give yourself a sort of running start before beginning the cycle. Use a proven basic routine, my personal go-to being stronglifts 5x5. Start with a lot less weight than you think and focus on form, and increase the weight every workout according to the routine's progression. Be patient. This will allow you to re-burn the movements into your muscle memory so that by the time you're lifting heavier your form will be nice and tight.

After five months off, you'll also be benefitting from some easy rebound gains at the very beginning, so no need for the ostarine yet. Again, patience here is the key, as you will benefit in the long term by not advancing too quickly. Focus on the big basic movements, squat, bench (incline), overhead press, row, deadlift, pullups. Ab rollouts are also a good idea. That's it. No isolation yet, and don't you dare do any direct arm work. Keep the volume relatively low, and do a little something for your conditioning like sprints or burpees. After around two months, about when things will start getting difficult, that's when you begin your ostarine, and you'll slam right through the wall you would have otherwise hit.

If you like car analogies or you've seen any of the fast and furious movies, think of the ostarine like your nitrous. You don't want to use it immediately from the starting line. You want to run the race with your car's natural abilities as far as you can, and save the nitrous as your secret weapon for when it really counts.

Once you begin the cycle, keep going with the same routine and the same progression, but you can now also add some additional isolation work at the end of each workout. Bicep curls, tricep extensions, close grip bench, hamstring curls, high rep leg press, chest fly, shoulder fly, pulldowns, cable rows. Keep it simple, hit it hard. Now that you're past the initial comeback, you'll benefit from the isolation work more and since you're on cycle you'll be able to handle the extra volume. Stick to your plan, and work on progressing your chosen movements for the next 8 weeks without constantly switching them out.

As for the cycle itself, just do 20mg all 8 weeks. There's no reason to complicate it. First, you'll get saturated quicker by starting with 20mg rather than 15mg. Second, 20mg will serve you well the entire run, especially being your first ever cycle, so there's no reason to up to 25mg at the end. Take it with fats. There's no need to split the dose 2x/day, but you can if you want, which I do personally.

Your PCT is fine. Nolva vs Clomid is mainly a personal preference thing, though clomid has a bit of an edge in getting your HTPA restarted quicker. For your first cycle just pick one and see, and then for your next cycle consider trying the other. Keep going with the weight and progression for the basic moves in this phase. PCT is not the time to make any changes to your basic routine, but you should reduce volume a little by cutting back the total sets on the isolation movements.

You should pick up some exemestane to have on hand if needed, and possibly also to use your last week of nolva as you taper off. It's always a good idea to have an AI on hand no matter what you're cycling. Better safe than sorry.

Your other stuff:

Multi vit - good
Fish oil - good, take it several hours away from your workout though as it will blunt the inflammation response that's good for gains.
Glucosamine - shouldn't be necessary unless you have some other issues with your joints. Ostarine is very good for joints on its own.
ZMA - not necessary, but won't hurt
5HTP - not necessary, but won't hurt. Try melatonin first if you need help sleeping, and it will also help your GH output. Take it a couple hours before bed, not immediately before.

I would also add some liver support. TUDCA is ideal, but for ostarine NAC is probably enough. Also consider something for cortisol control during PCT, like Reduce XT.

 

[gagandugan]

I forgot to add that I would not go over 25mg on Ostarine. If you want to see how you tolerate it, you can start @15mg for a week, then use 20 throughout. I feel warpyfunch covered pretty much everything, and I agree on a full body routine 100%.

 

[Choppedjunior]

would you really need a test base for LGD and MK for 8 weeks?

 

[solidsnake]

would you really need a test base for LGD and MK for 8 weeks?

Everyone's different try it without but have a test base on hand In case you start feeling knackered all the time

 

[Choppedjunior]

All the sarms I have tried have all been expensive, and disappointing maybe all the rc places I have tried suck but I will stick with stuff that works at a decent price!

Olympus Labs UK makes Sarms that are priced around 50$ I haven't found them being sold in the US, but getting from UK is fine got it in about 8 days.

 

[raul87]

If you like car analogies or you've seen any of the fast and furious movies, think of the ostarine like your nitrous. You don't want to use it immediately from the starting line. You want to run the race with your car's natural abilities as far as you can, and save the nitrous as your secret weapon for when it really counts.

the csr guy in me just had to respond to this haha. I fully understand whag you are saying the problem with this analogy is that nitrous is always used from rhe beginning there is no such thing as a button you use towards rhe end of a race to catch up. yes there are stages that kick in towards the middle of the race when traction has been squared up but nitrous is used from the very beginning. there is no sense in keeping your power for the end considering the faster the cars are going the longer they take to catch up and let's say you're going faster at the end no point if the other car has already passed the finish line. sorry just had to go there lol

 

[Rocket3015]

Just had to post my Nitrous set up after reading this!!

 

[Haymaker210]

Ok,

So for those of you who read and replied to my original post a few scrolls up thank you for your help. I have been doing strong lifts naturally as advised and will continue to do so until the end of Feb so I will then have a solid 2 months of rebound gains and a good base of strength to carry over into my first cycle which I want to begin at the start of March.

My plans for my first cycle have changed slightly, originally I wanted to do Cycle 1 = Osta solo, Cycle 2 = something more geared towards lean mass/bulk then Cycle 3 = Back to Osta for a cut ready for Summer.

However due to doing 2 months naturally to get back into the swing of things plus the time on = time off rule I realised I will not have enough time to do this.

So I have decided to go straight in with more of a mass building focused stack as opposed to an Osta solo run.

I was going to run OL Legend and OL Gharine, then released OL Mass GH was both of these combined into one so it makes sense to use this instead.

I have waffled on a bit so let me get to the point what is good to stack with Mass GH? I was looking at a mild PH like Halodrol or Cynostane. Worth stacking or not?

If one of these are good to go with Mass GH perfect if not and anyone has any other suggestions then I am looking for something that has minimal sides, something that preferably will not aromatise to estrogen (I will have an AI on hand though anyway), something that is not too costly, and something that is good for building a nice bit of muscle preferably lean mass.

 

[warpyfunch]

the csr guy in me just had to respond to this haha. I fully understand whag you are saying the problem with this analogy is that nitrous is always used from rhe beginning there is no such thing as a button you use towards rhe end of a race to catch up. yes there are stages that kick in towards the middle of the race when traction has been squared up but nitrous is used from the very beginning. there is no sense in keeping your power for the end considering the faster the cars are going the longer they take to catch up and let's say you're going faster at the end no point if the other car has already passed the finish line. sorry just had to go there lol

the analogy is rooted in movie logic, where those who use nitrous too early are fated to lose miserably. :notworthy:

[video=youtube;pZZ60jrw6cg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZZ60jrw6cg&feature=youtu.be&t=1m42s[/video]

 

[sektelsnor]

Currently on tail end of cut. Should be over for me in less than two weeks.

Once it's over I intend to do a 12 week stand alone cycle with lgd. Since it takes a couple weeks to start feeling the effects within your system would it be ok for me to start it while I cut?