Tr3sting the Limits

Ralox - pre existing/long term prepubescent gyno
95% reduction in tissue

"Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect."

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Empirical evidence; it completely reversed MY AAS induced gyno. To say "broscience" is funny.

Letro will still reduce tissue to almost no existent as well (tapering with this AI is key)
 
tyga tyga said:
Ralox - pre existing/long term prepubescent gyno
95% reduction in tissue

"Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect."

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Empirical evidence; it completely reversed MY AAS induced gyno. To say "broscience" is funny.

Letro will still reduce tissue to almost no existent as well (tapering with this AI is key)
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My point exactly you can significantly reduce gyno by you can't quite get rid of it without surgery
 
rtmilburn said:
My point exactly you can significantly reduce gyno by you can't quite get rid of it without surgery
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Absolutely. A 95% reduction is almost non existent and I would be willing to live with that. Ralox and torem ("new" generation serms are highly effective)
 
How long-term was the gyno in these studies. Very curious
 
ryane87 said:
How long-term was the gyno in these studies. Very curious
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1.5yr from prepubescent gyno (16.4 month) ~ its in the study I linked

Like I said though, empirical evidence (myself) Ralox completely got rid of my AAS induced lumps
 
tyga tyga said:
1.5yr from prepubescent gyno (16.4 month) ~ its in the study I linked

Like I said though, empirical evidence (myself) Ralox completely got rid of my AAS induced lumps
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I believe, I was just curious as to how long you had it
 
No workout today guys. Just got back from Nashville. 3 hour drive each way. And I'm pretty sore from the past couple days and those damn squats.

I'll be back to HST tomorrow with 75% 15x2.

Now back to fat girls and man boobs.
 
Brandinooooo said:
No workout today guys. Just got back from Nashville. 3 hour drive each way. And I'm pretty sore from the past couple days and those damn squats.

I'll be back to HST tomorrow with 75% 15x2.

Now back to fat girls and man boobs.
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If you didn't like fatties and weren't trying to grow Trestessess, we wouldn't even talk about them
 
Brandinooooo said:
No workout today guys. Just got back from Nashville. 3 hour drive each way. And I'm pretty sore from the past couple days and those damn squats.

I'll be back to HST tomorrow with 75% 15x2.

Now back to fat girls and man boobs.
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Where are you from? I was just in Nash a couple weeks ago... I'm about 4hrs away in atl
 
Bloat is just extra mass....ddsuuuhhhh
 
mmorso said:
Do 10mg and increase the dose by 10 each month till your at 30mg...
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mmorso said:
Ghar1ne is the sh1t, not only cause you know your getting legit ass MK, but also cause they're dosed at 10mg. So 1 bottle will get you 2 months of MK if you dose 10/20
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I started with 33mg a day. Which I have enough for 1 month.

ryane87 said:
Bloat is just extra mass....ddsuuuhhhh
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Lmao duhhhhhh

mmorso said:
MK sleep is phenomenal!!! I love it before bed
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I've been sleeping like a rock bro.
 
Formestane or any AI should help. Increase electrolytes? Maybe a sodium imbalance?
 
Brandinooooo said:
And by the way, fcck MK-677 bloat. Its kinda ridiculous. Any suggestions on getting rid of it?
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Drop it. Haha I couldn't stand it either. I hated mk. Between looking like I gained 15lb of soft flab and sleeping so hard and having such awful morning lethargy it was miserable. Couldn't even function and saw zero benefits.
 
mmorso said:
What's huperazine btw?
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ryane87 said:
As much as I know is that it is used in pre-w/o for focus enhancement
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Its a nootropic mainly used for memory and brain enhancement. He threw it in for free being a member of AM and I'm a good supporter/buyer of NP.

booneman77 said:
Drop it. Haha I couldn't stand it either. I hated mk. Between looking like I gained 15lb of soft flab and sleeping so hard and having such awful morning lethargy it was miserable. Couldn't even function and saw zero benefits.
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Dude I looked like I was pregnant earlier. But I did eat a sh1tload last night and this morning. Also, on the way to Nashville earlier, I got so fccking tired after about 30 minutes and had my sister drive. I fell asleep within 5 minutes or so. I'm not lethargic, just easily tired. That might be more related to work than the MK though.

booneman77 said:
And ai won't do anything. It's a totally different moa
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Yeah it won't help. I heard baby aspirin helps for some but I'm gonna try water pills like I mentioned to you a while back.
 
33 is also insanely high to start. Most start at 10 and work up over months.

I couldn't handle 20 tho ha
 
Just got done with 75%1rm 2 sets. 3 things I gotta mention.

1. I just weighed in at 193 lol. Up 10ish pounds now.

2. Tore a chunk out of my finger between a 45 plate and a bar. Sucks.

3. I pinched a nerve in my left elbow or something the other day and it was hurting so I took it easy on presses.

Ill post the workout when I get home.
 
booneman77 said:
And ai won't do anything. It's a totally different moa
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Link me please. I Enjoy reading this stuff.

Holding intra water/sub-q isn't any different though, is it? IIRC, increased GH output (exogenous from HGH or ghrps/ghrh that empty the pituitary completely) all have you holdin water the same; sub q.

Edit: I know a rise in E2 on a AAS cycle is different lol
 
tyga tyga said:
Link me please. I Enjoy reading this stuff.

Holding intra water/sub-q isn't any different though, is it? IIRC, increased GH output (exogenous from HGH or ghrps/ghrh that empty the pituitary completely) all have you holdin water the same; sub q.

Edit: I know a rise in E2 on a AAS cycle is different lol
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It's the fact that an ai works through estrogen reduction which is not the issue. Ai's aren't just straight diuretics so they would not be impacting the root cause of the bloat
 
Leg press 230 10x2
Leg curl 130 10x2
Incline press 110 12/10
Bench didn't do
High row 170 12/10
Lat bar 110 10x2
Reverse pec 60 10x2
DB Lat 10x2
DB Front 10x2
Shoulder press didn't do
Rope curl 110 10x2
Dip started but elbow was hurting
Ab isolate 110 10x2
 
booneman77 said:
It's the fact that an ai works through estrogen reduction which is not the issue. Ai's aren't just straight diuretics so they would not be impacting the root cause of the bloat
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[1] J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci 1998 May;53(3):M183-7

"However, it has been found that Human Growth Hormone is an important mediator hormone (working with Estrogen) that is involved in the development of gynecomastia[1]."

If someone is sensitive to estrogen, HGH (677, pepetides) can cause bloat. Although, after using either for awhile, your body eventually washes it off.

Anyhow, It could be something else as well, maybe an electrolyte balance as I mentioned earlier. We all know external use of growth increases water retention but maybe tinkering with diet and minerals can help with the bloating as well
 
Brandinooooo said:
Leg press 230 10x2
Leg curl 130 10x2
Incline press 110 12/10
Bench didn't do
High row 170 12/10
Lat bar 110 10x2
Reverse pec 60 10x2
DB Lat 10x2
DB Front 10x2
Shoulder press didn't do
Rope curl 110 10x2
Dip started but elbow was hurting
Ab isolate 110 10x2
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Bruh do you list reps x sets or sets x reps

This is a ongoing argument btw lol
 
Dandelion extract contains potassium too which would help.

Plus Magnesium.

Most of us could benefit from low dose dandelion.
 
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