EXOTHERM FAQ

[brundel]

The point is almost nothing will cause you to lose weight if your in caloric surplus.
Most fat loss studies overfeed subjects and then measure fat gain compared to control. Positive result being less fat gain compared to control.
Subject still dont lose weight generally because they are eating above maintenance. They just gain less.

If you want to lose fat and weight you need to eat less and move more. Simple math.
If you then add something like Exotherm then your % of fat loss will be significantly higher than it would be if you did not take Exotherm.

 

[paul56778]

The point is almost nothing will cause you to lose weight if your in caloric surplus.
Most fat loss studies overfeed subjects and then measure fat gain compared to control. Positive result being less fat gain compared to control.
Subject still dont lose weight generally because they are eating above maintenance. They just gain less.

If you want to lose fat and weight you need to eat less and move more. Simple math.
If you then add something like Exotherm then your % of fat loss will be significantly higher than it would be if you did not take Exotherm.

Synergy of the 2 working in combination.

 

[brundel]

Exactly.

Decrease cals
Increase cardio

Enhance with fat burners.

Often altering macros will also make a huge difference but this is a whole other story.

 

[paul56778]

Would it be O'k to stay on Exotherm for 12-16 weeks, @ 3 pumps per day, also is 2 in AM @ 8:00 and 1 pump in the PM @ 8:00 adequate or would it be better to do 3 pumps split e.g. 8, 12, 8, also can all 3 pumps be applied to a mix of upper and abs and lower, or would this severely inhibit the absorption and reduce effectiveness, if so shoulders, and inner thighs could be used, also what about calves, shins and tops of feet if lean e.g. under 10% body-fat.

 

[brundel]

Would it be O'k to stay on Exotherm for 12-16 weeks, @ 3 pumps per day, also is 2 in AM @ 8:00 and 1 pump in the PM @ 8:00 adequate or would it be better to do 3 pumps split e.g. 8, 12, 8, also can all 3 pumps be applied to a mix of upper and abs and lower, or would this severely inhibit the absorption and reduce effectiveness, if so shoulders, and inner thighs could be used, also what about calves, shins and tops of feet if lean e.g. under 10% body-fat.

Absorption is best @ inner thighs, Upper chest, neck, delts but you will still get some absorption if applied to the stomach.
There is a study indicating that topically applied cirsium reduced subq fat by 23 %. Even more when combined with caffeine.
So 2 things.
1. you may see some spot reduction with Exotherm
2. using it with caffeine will significantly increase effects of the cirsium.

I prefer to split the doses.

 

[paul56778]

Thanks for the Reply, I will maybe consider using this product 3 times per day 1 pump each time and keep alternating the sites on a daily basis.

 

[paul56778]

I was just curious if i could get more out of the product for overall fat burning by not applying all 3 pumps to abdominal region.

 

[brundel]

For sure alternate sites.

 

[akinos]

Question; Will Exotherm help me out with my gyno problem? (men boobs)

Thank you

 

[BEAST73]

Question; Will Exotherm help me out with my gyno problem? (men boobs)

Thank you

No.

 

[shirt]

Question; Will Exotherm help me out with my gyno problem? (men boobs)

Thank you

Have you actually been diagnosed with gyno?

 

[akinos]

Have you actually been diagnosed with gyno?

No... I got a feeling it is.

Am I supposed to go see my doctor to get diagnosed?

 

[shirt]

No... I got a feeling it is.

Am I supposed to go see my doctor to get diagnosed?

It wouldn't hurt but it's obvious to tell in certain cases. Go see your doc if you aren't sure.

The best way to help/get rid of it is surgery.

 

[brundel]

Do you have a mass you can feel under the nipple? That was not there before.

Is there pain? Not after you irritate it for 20 min. Is there pain like just from your shirt brushing against the nipple or if you gently touch it?

Are you lactating?

What drugs did you take that would cause this?

 

[paul56778]

Prevention to gyno is always much better than cure,

I would rather use high doses of Exo & Letrone or go for a Pharma Based AI than treat it when it forms, and risk having to spend thousands on surgery that could cause problems with appearance of chest if not done 100%

 

[akinos]

Do you have a mass you can feel under the nipple? That was not there before.

Is there pain? Not after you irritate it for 20 min. Is there pain like just from your shirt brushing against the nipple or if you gently touch it?

Are you lactating?

What drugs did you take that would cause this?

What do you mean if I have mass under my nipple?

The reason I think I got gyno it's cause my chest/brest is huge and it makes it look like titties.

No pain

I have not taken any drugs

Thank you

 

[BEAST73]

LoL!!

 

[brundel]

What do you mean if I have mass under my nipple?

The reason I think I got gyno it's cause my chest/brest is huge and it makes it look like titties.

No pain

I have not taken any drugs

Thank you

What is your current bodyweight and approx bodyfat %?

 

[akinos]

69kg and 13% BF

 

[paul56778]

@ 152lbs whats your height.

 

[lukinosnake]

I am planning to use an AI during my cutting (narry stack this time) and I have a formestane TD product. How would you compare this product with formeron if you could choose between both for fat reduction purposes?

 

[alvin1]

How long for exo to be absorb by the skin and have no risk of passing it to other by skin contact?

 

[brundel]

I am planning to use an AI during my cutting (narry stack this time) and I have a formestane TD product. How would you compare this product with formeron if you could choose between both for fat reduction purposes?

Exotherm is greater than Formeron for fat loss.

 

[brundel]

How long for exo to be absorb by the skin and have no risk of passing it to other by skin contact?

Hard to say.
I would give it a good 12 hours. Or.....apply. Wait 30 min. Apply some alcohol based band sanitizer to the application site.
This will help push anything left on the skin through allowing you to get closer faster.
I would still not touch any babies with this stuff on you.
Give women at least 4 hours before you allow them to contact the application site if you use some sanitizer.

 

[alvin1]

Hard to say.
I would give it a good 12 hours. Or.....apply. Wait 30 min. Apply some alcohol based band sanitizer to the application site.
This will help push anything left on the skin through allowing you to get closer faster.
I would still not touch any babies with this stuff on you.
Give women at least 4 hours before you allow them to contact the application site if you use some sanitizer.

Ok, I will use this method, but I will wait around October when there is no pool action.

 

[Johnybgood]

My wife has been looking into this product. Can it be used by females as well? If so what would be the difference in pumps she would use?

 

[toddmuelheim]

My wife has been looking into this product. Can it be used by females as well? If so what would be the difference in pumps she would use?

You serious Clark?

 

[brundel]

My wife has been looking into this product. Can it be used by females as well? If so what would be the difference in pumps she would use?

Exotherm no for females. It has 2 aromatase inhibitors which will lower her estrogen levels. Bad news for women.
I would suggest the new Follidrone 2.0.
Its potential for fat loss coupled with its strength and muscle and endurance benefits....imo its second to none in the natural supp world.

No negatives
Non hormonal
Strength
Fat loss
Muscle

Lots of women at my gym taking it and everyone loves it.

 

[abformulations]

Exotherm no for females. It has 2 aromatase inhibitors which will lower her estrogen levels. Bad news for women.
I would suggest the new Follidrone 2.0.
Its potential for fat loss coupled with its strength and muscle and endurance benefits....imo its second to none in the natural supp world.

No negatives
Non hormonal
Strength
Fat loss
Muscle

Lots of women at my gym taking it and everyone loves it.

Wifey getting on the F2 too as well

 

[Johnybgood]

Exotherm no for females. It has 2 aromatase inhibitors which will lower her estrogen levels. Bad news for women.
I would suggest the new Follidrone 2.0.
Its potential for fat loss coupled with its strength and muscle and endurance benefits....imo its second to none in the natural supp world.

No negatives
Non hormonal
Strength
Fat loss
Muscle

Lots of women at my gym taking it and everyone loves it.

I told her same thing. Thank you!

I think I would like to try some Folli 2.0 after or towards end of current cycle of Mast P, Tren Ace and Test P. What's your thoughts on when to add into the mix?

 

[brundel]

I told her same thing. Thank you!

I think I would like to try some Folli 2.0 after or towards end of current cycle of Mast P, Tren Ace and Test P. What's your thoughts on when to add into the mix?

I think its a great addition. Myostatin rises drastically toward the 8 week point in an AAS cycle so this will really help keep it down.
Will help manage BP.
Lots of positive benefits to running it on cycle.

 

[angcd3]

Just wanted to see what everyone's opinions are. I've been trying to figure out a good stack heading into summer for keeping my size while leaning out. So would a run of Exotherm with Viron be a good option and work well together. And if so how long would you run them. And what would the best dosing be for it? I'm 6'1' 205 15% body fat (if that matters at all) . I ran the Viron and Formeron before and really liked that so hoping this would be good to!

 

[brundel]

Viron and Exotherm work very well together.
I would run Viron at 1 cap twice a day and Exotherm at 1 pump 3x daily. Upper chest, neck , delts.

 

[angcd3]

Viron and Exotherm work very well together.
I would run Viron at 1 cap twice a day and Exotherm at 1 pump 3x daily. Upper chest, neck , delts.

Awesome brother.. thats what I wanted to hear. Thanks!!! picking this up this week! Cant wait to see what it can do..

 

[vujade]

Just wanted to see what everyone's opinions are. I've been trying to figure out a good stack heading into summer for keeping my size while leaning out. So would a run of Exotherm with Viron be a good option and work well together. And if so how long would you run them. And what would the best dosing be for it? I'm 6'1' 205 15% body fat (if that matters at all) . I ran the Viron and Formeron before and really liked that so hoping this would be good to!

Viron and Exotherm work very well together.
I would run Viron at 1 cap twice a day and Exotherm at 1 pump 3x daily. Upper chest, neck , delts.

What brundel said would be a great stack. But if you could afford it, i would also add Follidrone 2.0 to it.
There are a quite a few guys on here running it on cutting and recomp cycles and loosing fat, while
retaining muscle size, fullness and strength.

 

[angcd3]

What brundel said would be a great stack. But if you could afford it, i would also add Follidrone 2.0 to it.
There are a quite a few guys on here running it on cutting and recomp cycles and loosing fat, while
retaining muscle size, fullness and strength.

Thanks... I was thinking about adding this in as well.. I've never ran it before but have heard good things about it.

 

[vujade]

Thanks... I was thinking about adding this in as well.. I've never ran it before but have heard good things about it.

FD2 really shines on bulking cycles, but also works really well on cutting or recomps because of the Ecklonia Cava

 

[EMPIREMIND]

Is the application site still inner thigh abs area? Whats most effective?

 

[vujade]

Is the application site still inner thigh abs area? Whats most effective?

Inner thigh is good,. brundel has always recommended shoulders,
clavicles and other areas where skin is thin like tops of feet, etc

 

[EMPIREMIND]

Inner thigh is good,. brundel has always recommended shoulders,
clavicles and other areas where skin is thin like tops of feet, etc

Ok. Just curious because he intially instructed me to do inner thigh area for my log, but lately when checking this thread i have seen different..

 

[brundel]

Inner thighs are also good.
Scrotum is the best place. Seriously, skin is thin, lots of vasculature. But for obv reasons this isnt ideal so we stick to the upper chest neck delts ')

 

[abformulations]

I personally always apply on inner thighs.

 

[paul56778]

I personally always apply on inner thighs.

i always use this site, or abdominal area, i switch it around, have also applied to upper feet and calves.

 

[paul56778]

brundel

What was the max dose you have tested of exotherm per day, i was thinking of going up to 4 or more pumps per day in 1 months time for around 6-8 weeks, would this provide any benefit to fat burning or would you recommend sticking to 1 pump 3 times per day.

 

[ma70]

brundel

What was the max dose you have tested of exotherm per day, i was thinking of going up to 4 or more pumps per day in 1 months time for around 6-8 weeks, would this provide any benefit to fat burning or would you recommend sticking to 1 pump 3 times per day.

Not brundel (obviously), but I've seen people try 4 pumps a day and notice increased fat loss (from brundel's past posts too). The sky is the limit with dosing from what it seems unless it starts to negatively impact your joints, etc.

 

[Jebrook]

brundel

What was the max dose you have tested of exotherm per day, i was thinking of going up to 4 or more pumps per day in 1 months time for around 6-8 weeks, would this provide any benefit to fat burning or would you recommend sticking to 1 pump 3 times per day.

I did 4 pumps daily consistently for 4 weeks. No negative sides. Definitely increased sweating and feeling of thermogenesis during physical activity.

 

[brundel]

I know of people using 5 pumps with no real negatives.

 

[Onefckngear]

Maybe this has been covered... How would three pumps spread over two daily applications work out? Three daily applications is a little much for me. Thanks.

 

[Johnybgood]

Maybe this has been covered... How would three pumps spread over two daily applications work out? Three daily applications is a little much for me. Thanks.

Just do 1.5 pumps per application.

 

[vujade]

Just do 1.5 pumps per application.

Or do 2 pumps AM and 1 pump pM