YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Letrone and follidrone together should be illegal the hunger im experiencing is crazy this bulk is BETTER than 12mg LGD for me.. im in love gonna run it for 4 months no break.
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Letrone and follidrone together should be illegal the hunger im experiencing is crazy this bulk is BETTER than 12mg LGD for me.. im in love gonna run it for 4 months no break.
abformulations
Legend
You can but it's very anti-inflammatory so not wise to take together a separate times yes but I don't see the point on that. And never like to use two natural anabolic's together.
I would do-
Folli 2.0 (8 weeks)
Letrone or exo ( depending if you're cutting or bulking)
Add viron if you want that extra kick
Then run Ara for 50 days
abformulations
Legend
Lol my man. Haha
jmero2
Active member
I'm going to add Viron and Formeron, I purchased several bottles before the ban, this stack will be SICK! I'll run this stack for a while.
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Just hoping this **** isnt spiked 
chedapalooza
Legend
I'm on viron and Letrone (1 cap daily each) and fd2.... I'm at a 400 calorie deficit and GROWING while burning belly fat. Pumps and muscle fullness are crazy considering I'm at 25-35g carbs daily. This is THE best natty stack I've ever used
bigsmall
Banned
Letrone is amazing....I just finished my first bottle...its very anabolic. I have used Viron and Letrone alone and its the Letrone imo that's giving you the bang for the buck.
chedapalooza
Legend
Agreed. I've used Letrone solo prior to this and it was very good. The addition of fd2 is also nothing short of amazing. The Viron is great for general wellness and improved mood and energy
believer
Active member
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brundel
Board Sponsor
same for me with Letrone. It REALLY increases ghrelin which of course is making you hungry.
Take advantage of it brother.
The increased protein synthesis and glucose uptake and fat burning etc etc etc will make it so you can eat more and grow more without gaining as much fat.
Plus the Letrone will increase HGH and t3 and t4, cAMP etc....so...combined the 2 are amazin.
anabolix
Member
With EC having a 12 hour half life, op will not be able to schedule his doses to avoid a conflict. Personally, using FD2 and ARA at the same time is silly and a waste of time. The FD2 will make the ARA less effective, and vise versa. I guess if op wants to spend/waste his $$ this way, then it's his call.
Tank999
Well-known member
Today is my 11th day on FD2/Exo and it's like it kicked in all over again! In the gym I barely took a minute max between sets and I just kept on. When I was done I was so pumped, I saw veins I didn't know I had! And this is while on a serious caloric deficit. You guys are definitely on to something!
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
It works so well im scared it's spiked! It's literally amazing stacked with Letrone, Prolactrone, Rebirth, and some Super Rhanderol. It's gonna be my month 2 stack ona different stack rn
Tank999
Well-known member
Truth is I was cruising the forum looking to see what people were using for pct after a heavy ph cycle. When I found this stuff, I decided to skip the ph run and just do fd2/exo with a natty t booster- very happy I did!
rtmilburn
Well-known member
For everyone that is wondering about fd2 and ArA the are a couple questions that need to be answered.
1: Is ArA muscle building effects truely from inflammation?
(This study could be very wrong but the main thing is there is controversy on what the true mechanism of which of its anabolic effects are. This is kind of a older study there could be new information that I'm not aware of. Also im sorry i don't have the link to the study, at the moment. I just can't find it right now, but I have read it before)
2: If its truely is from increased inflammation is 1 imparticular pathway of which its anabolic effects? Is a few of them? Or just of all them?(I really REALLY doubt it's the last one, as both your body and ArA have a plethora of pathways to increase inflammation. Furthermore some of the pathways of inflammation have shown to inhibition myotrophy, some of which ArA is involved in. Last but not least on this question is: to my understanding is we don't truely know all the mechanism of which both human body and ArA increase/decrease inflammation. Yes I said decrease as there is some pathways of which ArA reduces specific types of inflammation, as shown in the previous study.)
3: Are the pathways that ArA work infacted decrease by EC?(This is a tough one to answer as it requires us to 100% know what pathways ArA is anabolic. Is it actually inflammation that makes ArA work? If it is what imparticular type(s) of inflamtion is it? What pathway(s) increases that inflammation? Also if it is inflammation, does EC's anti-inflamatory pathway(s) overlap with that/those certian anabolic pathway(s) of ArA? Make this more difficult I'm assuming but pretty sure that not all of ECs anti-inflamatory are known. Plus there are other ingredients in fd2. Do they effects these pathways and if so in what way?)
4: Even if it is inflammation and EC's, or fd2's, pathways inhibt ArA's pathways, is it enough to fully prevent ArA from being anabolic at all?(Yet again this causes us to answer all other previous question assuming that all answers are yes, and then know the degrees of which of how each do so.)
Do you see were I'm going with this?
There is just WAY WAY WWWAAAAAYYYY to many IFs here. I can't answer pretty much any of these questions. Sure their might be some that might be able to answer these questions, but I doubt it. Even if there is a few who can, I doubt any of them are on this or any forum.
Also there are quite a bit of people whom have used ArA while taking anti-inflamatory medication(s) (asprin advil, aleve etc etc) or supplements trib(Cox inhibitor), cissus, etc, etc and have claimed that they made great gains.
The only way to know for sure is just to try it out IMO.
Note: I might be blowing steam out of my @$$ but I feel like I'm spot on, on this. I willing invite anyone to correct me. Also I if there is anything confusing or can't understand just let me know. I often make big errors that change the sentence and dont notice it, because to me it makes sense.
1: Is ArA muscle building effects truely from inflammation?
(This study could be very wrong but the main thing is there is controversy on what the true mechanism of which of its anabolic effects are. This is kind of a older study there could be new information that I'm not aware of. Also im sorry i don't have the link to the study, at the moment. I just can't find it right now, but I have read it before)
2: If its truely is from increased inflammation is 1 imparticular pathway of which its anabolic effects? Is a few of them? Or just of all them?(I really REALLY doubt it's the last one, as both your body and ArA have a plethora of pathways to increase inflammation. Furthermore some of the pathways of inflammation have shown to inhibition myotrophy, some of which ArA is involved in. Last but not least on this question is: to my understanding is we don't truely know all the mechanism of which both human body and ArA increase/decrease inflammation. Yes I said decrease as there is some pathways of which ArA reduces specific types of inflammation, as shown in the previous study.)
3: Are the pathways that ArA work infacted decrease by EC?(This is a tough one to answer as it requires us to 100% know what pathways ArA is anabolic. Is it actually inflammation that makes ArA work? If it is what imparticular type(s) of inflamtion is it? What pathway(s) increases that inflammation? Also if it is inflammation, does EC's anti-inflamatory pathway(s) overlap with that/those certian anabolic pathway(s) of ArA? Make this more difficult I'm assuming but pretty sure that not all of ECs anti-inflamatory are known. Plus there are other ingredients in fd2. Do they effects these pathways and if so in what way?)
4: Even if it is inflammation and EC's, or fd2's, pathways inhibt ArA's pathways, is it enough to fully prevent ArA from being anabolic at all?(Yet again this causes us to answer all other previous question assuming that all answers are yes, and then know the degrees of which of how each do so.)
Do you see were I'm going with this?
There is just WAY WAY WWWAAAAAYYYY to many IFs here. I can't answer pretty much any of these questions. Sure their might be some that might be able to answer these questions, but I doubt it. Even if there is a few who can, I doubt any of them are on this or any forum.
Also there are quite a bit of people whom have used ArA while taking anti-inflamatory medication(s) (asprin advil, aleve etc etc) or supplements trib(Cox inhibitor), cissus, etc, etc and have claimed that they made great gains.
The only way to know for sure is just to try it out IMO.
Note: I might be blowing steam out of my @$$ but I feel like I'm spot on, on this. I willing invite anyone to correct me. Also I if there is anything confusing or can't understand just let me know. I often make big errors that change the sentence and dont notice it, because to me it makes sense.
Woody
Well-known member
If he takes FD2 four to six hours after his ArA dose, there likely won't be an issue. EC may be awesome but it doesn't work retrospectively
rtmilburn
Well-known member
IMO I don't think it matters at all(see my earlier post if you haven't), as ArA MIGHT not even work because of inflammation, rather the inflammation is just an unwanted side effect.
The only way to know if it effects ArA is to cycle ArA solo then FD2 solo(or vice versa) then combine them.
deadlyzach
Member
I'm just about to start my fd2 but I'm currently having really bad back pumps, would the fd2 help this or make it worse? Taurine hasn't done a thing for me.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Dont know of any reason FD2 would affect this either way.
brundel
Board Sponsor
Ok For the guys who were mentioning joint pain.
Im working on figuring out EXACTLY what and why its happening. And since its only a small number of people I need you guys to help.
If you experienced joint pain I would like to ask you to try 2 things so I can assess cause.
1. take 800mg ibuprofen right when you notice the pain. Let me know if after about 2 hours its gone or still present.
2. after but not the same day. Fish oil 3000-5000mg daily for a few days. Let me know if this affects it.
I think it might be quercetin, might be the gallates, might be excessive antioxidants which can also cause joint pain.
Hard to tell because they are all present lol.
Im working on figuring out EXACTLY what and why its happening. And since its only a small number of people I need you guys to help.
If you experienced joint pain I would like to ask you to try 2 things so I can assess cause.
1. take 800mg ibuprofen right when you notice the pain. Let me know if after about 2 hours its gone or still present.
2. after but not the same day. Fish oil 3000-5000mg daily for a few days. Let me know if this affects it.
I think it might be quercetin, might be the gallates, might be excessive antioxidants which can also cause joint pain.
Hard to tell because they are all present lol.
anabolix
Member
With a 12 hour half life, it would be difficult to make that happen and if you did, then you'd be selling yourself short on FD2 effects by decreasing the amount of time it's in your system. Anyway you do it, I think you'd essentially be "stealing from Peter to pay paul". Of course we are all just speculating for now.
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Sounds like Peter needs to be packing some heat. ��
anabolix
Member
The joint pain is pretty much a constant thing for me. I haven't taken ibuprofen yet, but I started taking fish oil before FD2 and am still taking it. My guess is that it's quercetin, at least in part, as it has made my joints feel similar in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if the gallates are contributing as well.
anabolix
Member
brundel
Board Sponsor
My goal is to find a solution so that the guys who experience joint issues wont.
Please. Try 800mg ibuprofen for me.
chedapalooza
Legend
Upping my fish oil to 4000mg has helped greatly
paul56778
Well-known member
Two tubs of FD 2.0 have arrived from nutri-verse,
? has everyone else in UK had theirs?,
Also i am currently running 2 pumps of exotherm per day down from 3, 1 in am and 1 after bed time shower, due to me moving into maintenance and bulking how many caps of letrone would be effective to provide the GH, and increased T3 & T4 levels because i feel it is more suited for bulking based on your opinions.
My current stack is 1 Follidrone 2.0 am & 2 Follidrone 2.0 PWO (usually an hour before)
1 cap of Viron am and 1 cap PWO with Follidrone.
1 pump of Exotherm am and 1 pm
1 cap of Prolactrone 2 hours before bed.
1 scoop Tr1umph 1 hour pwo
1 pump Derma Str3ngth unleashed am and 1 PWO.
4 caps of slinmax split with 4 carb based meals all post workout " i'am currently carb backloading after being Ketogenic for the past year.
? has everyone else in UK had theirs?,
Also i am currently running 2 pumps of exotherm per day down from 3, 1 in am and 1 after bed time shower, due to me moving into maintenance and bulking how many caps of letrone would be effective to provide the GH, and increased T3 & T4 levels because i feel it is more suited for bulking based on your opinions.
My current stack is 1 Follidrone 2.0 am & 2 Follidrone 2.0 PWO (usually an hour before)
1 cap of Viron am and 1 cap PWO with Follidrone.
1 pump of Exotherm am and 1 pm
1 cap of Prolactrone 2 hours before bed.
1 scoop Tr1umph 1 hour pwo
1 pump Derma Str3ngth unleashed am and 1 PWO.
4 caps of slinmax split with 4 carb based meals all post workout " i'am currently carb backloading after being Ketogenic for the past year.
M.I.D
Well-known member
Not yet, according to tracking, it is now in the UK though.
You are wacking a few things down you atm arent you.. how you finding it??
You adding anything to help with cortisol? I have just ordered invictus
jt75
Well-known member
Haven't had mine delivered yet but should be tomorrow or Monday. I'll be taking oximega fish oil, PEScience ergonine, 1 week left of Alphamax XT and when that finishes I'll be taking 600mg ashwagandha to help with mood and cortisol. I'll be in a surplus with fd2 and eating everything in sight to add a few pounds.
paul56778
Well-known member
I'm gaining weight and body comp is improving, it is the best natty stack i have run so far, nothing for cortisol at the moment, would reduce XT be a good addition to my stack vs invictus.
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Ecdysterones are a god send I'm planning that exact stack except adding super rhanderol or most wanted by IFN
CJNator
Well-known member
How is Super Rhanderol? I don't hear anything about it.
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
I actually have run it solo before they put there new delivery system in and liked it at 8 weeks then, and now I'm trying it with the new delivery system pre workout hits a lot harder in strength department
CJNator
Well-known member
PM me how the whole run went, I'm curious and don't want to throw the thread out of track.
Rand0m
Member
How's the letrone treating your appetite in a deficit? FD2 has already increased it for me, I don't think I want to be any hungrier lol…
chedapalooza
Legend
Taking EC and heavy stims so appetite is never an issue for me really. I've been on intermittent fasting for about 10 years now so I'm never really hungry haha I just know when it's time to eat
YoungBodyBuil
Banned
Letrone, Rhanderol, Viron, Rebirth, Exotherm, Formeron at 2 pumps daily ( if you can find it luckily found a source for 2 bottles last night
)Rand0m
Member
Ah I see. I'm holding off on stims until I hit a plateau. Just have to deal with the hunger for now.
brundel
Board Sponsor
I would do 2 caps. 1 am 1 pm.
The increase in thyroid function alone will really make a difference. One set of labs posted had t3 doubled from Letrone.
brundel
Board Sponsor
I suggest Letrone and Viron
or Exotherm and Viron.
Letrone reduces estrogen, raises test levels, hgh, thyroid function etc.
Exotherm has this same ingredient but much less but also has chrysin and 2 very solid fat burners. And is transdermal.
Viron is a test booster.
deadlyzach
Member
Took my first dose of fd2 today, 2 preworkout with no stomach issues at all. I was thinking of doing 2 pre-workout and 1 before bed. Or would it be better to try all 3 pre-workout?
raul87
Active member
Finally going to open my bottle and begin this tomorrow to help keep my strength and maybe build muscle as I will lower my calories even more as I continue to try and recomp. I am considering stacking Epitome and Ammo with it for the month and this will lead me into a run of 11kt. Thoughts? I'm considering grabbing a second bottle for PCT and stack it with Strength Unleashed. I am crazy excited reading about the fat loss people are getting as I have trouble burning some off even at a deficit. Any suggestions on tweaking this run are more than welcome thank you
GreenMachineX
Well-known member
I just received my second 2 bottles. Both the wife and I are running it. Gainzville!