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Which is best Epicat or Laxo? Or either?

brundel said:
For sure give Follidrone 2.0 a run.
Epicatechin plus 3 absorption enhancement ingredients. Super solid absorption package.

Plus ecklonia cava which is one of if not the strongest natty anabolic available today.

Plus Flos cathami - a natty myostatin inhibitor

Plus Quercetin/niacin co crystals.. which increases vo2max, vasodilation etc


This stuff is wicked. Epicatechin is great but this is a whole new level. Its epi+ absorption + 3 other actives that by themselves are super solid.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/279849-follidrone-2-0-a.html
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I've been following the logs to see what kind of real life results other members are getting.
 
lifted67 said:
I've been following the logs to see what kind of real life results other members are getting.
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Tons of solid results so far even this early in.
So far on this forum we have one guy whos gained 8.5lbs in 2 weeks and another whos gained 5-6 in 2 weeks.
Plus alot of mixed reports of strength, endurance, pump, fat loss, recomp etc etc etc.
But youll see more as more people get to use it.
 
For example here is a 2 week update from someone using it for a cut, from this forum-

"Ok here's my 2 week update, I'm down 5 pounds on the scale but the body recomp has been unbelievable at this point. I'm extremely vascular, muscle bellies are very full, definition is stellar... I had my trainer check my bodyfat with calipers and I measured 10.5 down from 12.5, i have never been below 12, possible measurement error???? Mirror kind of confirms this, I look much more dense/ full....
Guys, this product is the real deal, I'll be running this for 12 weeks and can't wait to see what happens! I'm 167 pounds right now but look as big as I was in the 170's.. I'm 5'6" by the way... "
 
I have free bod pod access at the university's sport medicine where i live so if i decide to run it I can get pretty accurate muscle/fat readings. Right now though it's just not in the budget.
 
lifted67 said:
I have free bod pod access at the university's sport medicine where i live so if i decide to run it I can get pretty accurate muscle/fat readings. Right now though it's just not in the budget.
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This would be awesome!
It would be great to have before and after pod scans ;)

Some of the ecklonia cava studies regarding fat loss and muscle growth used CAT scans and the like to validate results.
Alot of them quoted in here-
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brundel said:
This would be awesome!
It would be great to have before and after pod scans ;)

Some of the ecklonia cava studies regarding fat loss and muscle growth used CAT scans and the like to validate results.
Alot of them quoted in here-
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Hey if you want me to be a guinea pig I'd gladly run 8 weeks for a bottle hook up. :D
 
wrxjpm said:
Hey guys I'm looking to build some muscle more naturally . I've done a cycle of Lgd, Ostarine . Never a prohormone yet . But trying to find something to add to put some size one without getting all hormonal . What's everyone's thoughts or recomendations? Thx in advance
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There are no "herbs or granules" that are going to give you what you're looking for. I don't care what anyone on here says, it's a pile of BS.
If you want to build muscle it will come from diet and training. The natural muscle builders might make a difference but it's rarely worth the cost. Use that money and buy better cuts of meat.
 
dave39 said:
There are no "herbs or granules" that are going to give you what you're looking for. I don't care what anyone on here says, it's a pile of BS.
If you want to build muscle it will come from diet and training. The natural muscle builders might make a difference but it's rarely worth the cost. Use that money and buy better cuts of meat.
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While I agree with this whole heartedly, many people do better with their diets and training while on a product because of the placebo. May be an expensive placebo, but hey whatever gets the job done right? With that being said I liked the 2nd version of ABE, thought it allowed me to really bump up my food intake (mostly carbs)without feeling like a fat ass and significantly less bloat.
 
wrxjpm said:
Hey guys I'm looking to build some muscle more naturally . I've done a cycle of Lgd, Ostarine . Never a prohormone yet . But trying to find something to add to put some size one without getting all hormonal . What's everyone's thoughts or recomendations? Thx in advance
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Here are some of your best natural options,

Laxogenin- Olympus Labs Dermastrength, Iron Forged Nutrition Most Wanted they both work very well imo

Epicatechin- SNS Epiplex, Olympus Labs Ep1c Unleashed and the new Follidrone V2 from Black Lion Research is giving some amazing results.

ARA- SNS X-Gels you cant beat on the cost and quality hands down.

PA- Tr1umph from Olympus Labs great product and has many ergogenic aids.

Im sure im missing a few but you can make a killer stack with those products and ingredients.
 
dave39 said:
There are no "herbs or granules" that are going to give you what you're looking for. I don't care what anyone on here says, it's a pile of BS.
If you want to build muscle it will come from diet and training. The natural muscle builders might make a difference but it's rarely worth the cost. Use that money and buy better cuts of meat.
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Not true, your entitled to your opinion which is fine but there are countless logs or experiences from users that have taken some of these "herbs or granules" and have made changes that would not be possible through utilizing quality food alone. There is only so much the body can do without some "aid" Most of the natural ingredients are not going to make people explode with tissue accumulation like some may think, they shine in a recomping state allowing the body to be in a more anabolic state repartitioning nutrients so you can hold onto the muscle you have built while you cut fat off.
 
TeamTGB said:
Not true, your entitled to your opinion which is fine but there are countless logs or experiences from users that have taken some of these "herbs or granules" and have made changes that would not be possible through utilizing quality food alone. There is only so much the body can do without some "aid" Most of the natural ingredients are not going to make people explode with tissue accumulation like some may think, they shine in a recomping state allowing the body to be in a more anabolic state repartitioning nutrients so you can hold onto the muscle you have built while you cut fat off.
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This. Besides, is meat that costs $20/lb really going to build muscle better than meat that costs $10/lb? The argument of "just buy more food with your supplement money" isn't always solid either, as there's a limit of how much one should eat (as not to gain too much fat) and how much one is willing to stuff their face with daily. Supplements can't replace solid training and diet, but they can certainly provide some nice additional benefits.
 
TeamTGB said:
changes that would not be possible through utilizing quality food alone.
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With all due respect, how do you know that for sure? What's to say a proper progressive overload program and healthy diet wouldn't have elicited the same results? I'm not anti-supplement or anything, but there's no real certainty either way.
 
Lynks8 said:
With all due respect, how do you know that for sure? What's to say a proper progressive overload program and healthy diet wouldn't have elicited the same results? I'm not anti-supplement or anything, but there's no real certainty either way.
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Can i say that definitely no, but do i have enough proof backing what i am stating without a doubt this forum is a testament to it. Ill use cutting as an example, give me the exact same person with identical stats and they have the same goal one uses just quality nutrients and does his training and cardio, the other does the exact same but implements say Follidrone v2, Most Wanted and Alphamax these products will provide anti-catabolic support and help repartion the nutrients. Based upon what we have seen from the ingredients in these products i would almost guarantee the guy using those supplements would be a good bit ahead of his counter part.
 
Lynks8 said:
With all due respect, how do you know that for sure? What's to say a proper progressive overload program and healthy diet wouldn't have elicited the same results? I'm not anti-supplement or anything, but there's no real certainty either way.
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Can i say that definitely no, but do i have enough proof backing what i am stating without a doubt this forum is a testament to it. Ill use cutting as an example, give me the exact same person with identical stats and they have the same goal one uses just quality nutrients and does his training and cardio, the other does the exact same but implements say Follidrone v2, Most Wanted and Alphamax these products will provide anti-catabolic support and help repartion the nutrients. Based upon what we have seen from the ingredients in these products i would almost guarantee the guy using those supplements would be a good bit ahead of his counter part.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This. Besides, is meat that costs $20/lb really going to build muscle better than meat that costs $10/lb? The argument of "just buy more food with your supplement money" isn't always solid either, as there's a limit of how much one should eat (as not to gain too much fat) and how much one is willing to stuff their face with daily. Supplements can't replace solid training and diet, but they can certainly provide some nice additional benefits.
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Which is exactly why they are called "Supplements"!
 
Lynks8 said:
With all due respect, how do you know that for sure? What's to say a proper progressive overload program and healthy diet wouldn't have elicited the same results? I'm not anti-supplement or anything, but there's no real certainty either way.
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Look at it like this.
Say you have a man who engages in a training program, changes his diet, sleeps more...everything you can do with diet and training including a progressive overload program.
He will certainly see some results.

If you then take the exact same person and give him Follidrone 2.0 that has these benefits (listed below)there is a 100% chance that the supplemented person will have better results. Its not guesswork or placebo or hoping for the best. Its a fact that if you increase absorption of nutrients, protein synthesis, glucose uptake, increased fat burning, increased performance in the gym so you work harder longer etc etc etc etc the end result will be better than if you didnt.
This is why the supplement industry exists. Sure some of them are terrible and dont do anything for you but there are some that do in fact work and work very well.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/black-lion-research/279849-follidrone-2-0-a.html

Epicatechin with a solid absorption enhancement package
Promotes AMPK
Increased Follistatin
Reduced myostatin
Reduded Activin A
Antioxidant


Ecklonia Cava: EC
Muscle mass
Fat loss
Promotes AMPK
Increased Follistatin
Reduced myostatin
Reduded Activin A
ACE inhibitor
Antioxidant
Vasodilator
Cardio protective
Increased brain function
Reduced cholesterol
GLUT4 Expression

Flos carth
Increased Follistatin
Reduced myostatin
Reduded Activin A
antiinflammitory
antioxidant
Increased NO production

Quercetin/niacin co crystal
Vasodilator, Increased VO2 Max,
Absorption
 
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