I dont see any reason there would be an issue.Will the product be ok for someone that suffers from Anxiety?
I dont see any reason there would be an issue.Will the product be ok for someone that suffers from Anxiety?
The dose is very specific.Is everyone dosing as the bottle says? My friend got his and is just wondering
Love this. Really is some amazing stuff right?Only about 5 days in and have a noticeable amount of strength improvements as well as some muscular endurance benefits so far. This sh1t is no joke
There is also the epicatechin which ours is extracted from tea unlike most extracts. So there is also that.Brundel, I get really bad side effects from EGCG such as it kills my libido and makes me depressed, lethargic ect. It happens every time I have green tea extract and I already know it's not the caffeine or theanine. A lot of other people report the same problems from green tea. How related is octyl gallate and could it possibly cause the same side effects?
Can be taken with food but I like it without. I would try without first.Can FD2 be taken with food if needed? Or will that decrease it effectiveness?
It depends on when you ordered. I just shipped another big pack to TGB today and another 100-200 will go out to them not tomorrow but the next day.Noticed some people got their orders. I ordered on TGB it still said "pre sale" how long do you think it will take?
I can't answer that, but fyi I did come across studies on ace inhibitors showing positive effects on anxiety/depression.Will the product be ok for someone that suffers from Anxiety?
How would you dose if you train in the morning or around noon?The dose is very specific.
1 cap AM and 2 caps pre workout on training days.
1 cap 3x daily on non.
90 caps
30 days per bottle
Maybe brundel can chime in... but if it were me...How would you dose if you train in the morning or around noon?
Yep that's fine. As long as the 2 caps are pre workoutMaybe brundel can chime in... but if it were me...
Training in the AM, I would take 2 caps before training and 1 cap 4-6 hours later.
Training at Noon, i would take 1 cap upon rising and then 2 caps pre workout.
Yep that's fine. As long as the 2 caps are pre workoutMaybe brundel can chime in... but if it were me...
Training in the AM, I would take 2 caps before training and 1 cap 4-6 hours later.
Training at Noon, i would take 1 cap upon rising and then 2 caps pre workout.
Bold statement. I'm going to have to try some EC and see how I like it, then perhaps try some FD2 and see how it compares.Love this. Really is some amazing stuff right?
Like....how is it possible a natural product works this well. This time I didnt say as much (hype) as I did with FD1 but guess what.....FD2 is many many times stronger than FD1 or anything thats just epicatechin. There are just so many other strong ingredients.
I think currently this is the strongest non steroid OTC anabolic.
Oh trust me Im careful what I say these days as everyone quotes my every word.Bold statement. I'm going to have to try some EC and see how I like it, then perhaps try some FD2 and see how it compares.
Hello old chap what is a quidI have just ordered 2 from nutriverse for 20 quid cheaper than I got 2 from TGB.... pretty bloody ridiculous difference.
Will be a nice 16 week run tho
20 of them is a lot for the same product!Hello old chap what is a quid
Yeah, most EC extracts probably suck, but I'll find a good one, and the studies give a pretty good estimate of how to dose it. I may have to pick some FD2 up to try though. I haven't really used epi much at all either. Also, any links to the 2-week EC beverage study (actual study)?Oh trust me Im careful what I say these days as everyone quotes my every word.
This I fully mean.
Keep in mind alot of the EC extracts out there are very poor. Some are probably good but you have to be careful.
Also to keep in mind is FD2 is not just the EC.
EC
Epicatechin with 3 absorption enhancing agents.
Flos carthami- myostatin inhibitor
Quercetin/niacin co crystals which are great for performance enhancement.
Just epicatechin
or just EC
cant compare to FD2.
You would have to buy a stack of products to even compare to this.
And you cant get the quercetin/niacin just anywhere.
And you cant get a flos carth extract like this anywhere I dont think.
And nobody has this absorption package.
just so many reasons why this is the product youll want.
I made sure if it
There are tons of references to it and even a part of the study which has been posted a few times but Im having trouble finding the full study.Yeah, most EC extracts probably suck, but I'll find a good one, and the studies give a pretty good estimate of how to dose it. I may have to pick some FD2 up to try though. I haven't really used epi much at all either. Also, any links to the 2-week EC beverage study (actual study)?
There are tons of references to it and even a part of the study which has been posted a few times but Im having trouble finding the full study.
It exists....again part of the whole has been posted...where the full text is Im not certain.
I will keep looking though. Its likely somewhere deep and well have to pay for it. I dont mind buying it though if someone can locate it!
Do you happen to know the details (standardization, etc) for their extract?Best form and purest is from eckloniacava.com and they confirmed to me that FD2 isn't using their extract so don't know where brundel sourced it but I'm still gonna give it a go
Guaranteed no less than 98.8% and C of A and laboratory specifications available upon requestDo you happen to know the details (standardization, etc) for their extract?
98.8% what? I just searched Google and found that they have some COAs (not sure if it's this same extract) showing 98.8% purity and 25:1 (same as Swanson's, and they link to Swanson), but it's only 15% polyphenols (according to the COA I saw).Guaranteed no less than 98.8% and C of A and laboratory specifications available upon request
40 bucks at Amazon with free shipping for the same product. Might save yourself 5 bucks or so by getting it from there.Best form and purest is from eckloniacava.com and they confirmed to me that FD2 isn't using their extract so don't know where brundel sourced it but I'm still gonna give it a go
Sorry if it was discussed earlier. How long can you run Follidrone 2.0 ? Is there a break needed?I have just ordered 2 from nutriverse for 20 quid cheaper than I got 2 from TGB.... pretty bloody ridiculous difference.
Will be a nice 16 week run tho
Each capsule (90) has 500 mg of actives with ecklon being the biggest amount of ingredients. With it being a prop blend you're not going to know specifics, but you should be able to make some ballpark guesses per cap.98.8% what? I just searched Google and found that they have some COAs (not sure if it's this same extract) showing 98.8% purity and 25:1 (same as Swanson's, and they link to Swanson), but it's only 15% polyphenols (according to the COA I saw).
EDIT: they list that same COA on their website. 25:1, 98.8% pure, 15% polyphenols. It's not cheap to dose it properly, even buying the 500g quantity, but it's doable for personal use.
Any hints at the dose used in FD2? It may help me decide if I try EC solo at a dose I know or if I pick up some FD2.
I believe you I just wish I knew what a quid was. I heard Gordon Ramsay yell about them once20 of them is a lot for the same product!
I took your word for it and dropped the cash on 3. This better workOh trust me Im careful what I say these days as everyone quotes my every word.
This I fully mean.
Keep in mind alot of the EC extracts out there are very poor. Some are probably good but you have to be careful.
Also to keep in mind is FD2 is not just the EC.
EC
Epicatechin with 3 absorption enhancing agents.
Flos carthami- myostatin inhibitor
Quercetin/niacin co crystals which are great for performance enhancement.
Just epicatechin
or just EC
cant compare to FD2.
You would have to buy a stack of products to even compare to this.
And you cant get the quercetin/niacin just anywhere.
And you cant get a flos carth extract like this anywhere I dont think.
And nobody has this absorption package.
just so many reasons why this is the product youll want.
I made sure if it
A quid is a British pound,20 of them is approx 30 us dollarsI believe you I just wish I knew what a quid was. I heard Gordon Ramsay yell about them once
Hey muscleupcrohn, what brand that you know of has more than 15% polyphenols because I guess the content is what it all comes down to, and do you think the polyphenol content in FD2 would be more or less than 15% if you had to guess?98.8% what? I just searched Google and found that they have some COAs (not sure if it's this same extract) showing 98.8% purity and 25:1 (same as Swanson's, and they link to Swanson), but it's only 15% polyphenols (according to the COA I saw).
EDIT: they list that same COA on their website. 25:1, 98.8% pure, 15% polyphenols. It's not cheap to dose it properly, even buying the 500g quantity, but it's doable for personal use.
Any hints at the dose used in FD2? It may help me decide if I try EC solo at a dose I know or if I pick up some FD2.
What? I don't see how using a standardized EC extract (at a dose you are sure of) is dangerous, assuming you're dosing it properly. Also, the other extract I am referring to (pills) uses the exact EC extract that was used in multiple human studies. I don't see how using this extract is risking your health relative to using FD2. Now, I'm not saying that FD2 is bad/dangerous at all, because it looks great, just that I fail to see how taking a research supported dose of an extract used in multiple studies is somehow more dangerous than taking a prop-blended supplement (again, not anything against FD2, just the inherent nature of prop blends).If we're talking a difference of 5-10$ idk why anyone would try to circumvent BLR. This is a quality product and company so I don't see the justification for risking your health // putting other substances in your body to save a few bucks. Just my opinion
You're having a conversation about sourcing individual ingredients, among other things. This is about FD2. A new thread would probably make more sense.Frequently asked questions or faq havent been answered and that's why myself, muscleupcrohn and others are asking them, to get answers
I've just bought 2 bottles of FD2 from Nutriverse because I'm looking forward to trying brundels new product. People are wondering how much ec is in the prop blend so it's inevitable that other products' disclosed blends would surface in the discussion.You're having a conversation about sourcing individual ingredients, among other things. This is about FD2. A new thread would probably make more sense.
I hear you my man, but you know that info isn't going to be disclosed. I am interested in info regarding extract used and stuff too, but throwing websites selling one of the novel ingredients up on the faq is probably better served somewhere else. I hope you have a blessed run, I have two bottles and am probably buying two more bc nutriverseI've just bought 2 bottles of FD2 from Nutriverse because I'm looking forward to trying brundels new product. People are wondering how much ec is in the prop blend so it's inevitable that other products' disclosed blends would surface in the discussion.
I agree thanxYou're having a conversation about sourcing individual ingredients, among other things. This is about FD2. A new thread would probably make more sense.
What about if you work out AM? I guess its the other way round? 2pwo and 1 pm?Why 1 Am and 2 PWO?
and not all 3 PWO.