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if Theacrine is better to supposed to be better than caffeine, why not go to 50 mg and focus on that vs the caffeine?
 
Driven2lift said:
Not better than caffeine, IMO
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I have only read about it- have you used supps with this in it before? Lots of supposedly good things from this- lol just like everything else!
 
theacrine is VERY expensive, thats why companies dont use higher doses.



literally 30-40x more expensive than caffeine
 
nostrum420 said:
Define "better"
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from price p- study on it. if it does what it supposed to claim then this would be better than caf

Improved Liver Function and Detoxification Mechanisms
Mood Enhancing Effects
Energy with No Tolerance Build Up
Reduced Inflammation
Studies indicate that following seven days of Theacrine supplementation subjects showed elevated levels of glutathione inside cells, which suggest that the liver receives a secondary benefit from supplementation
 
^Those benefits would be nice

Was just rating it as a stim,
Caffeine wins for me and I definitely still built a tolerance to it

Maybe time for a second try
 
Driven2lift said:
^Those benefits would be nice

Was just rating it as a stim,
Caffeine wins for me and I definitely still built a tolerance to it

Maybe time for a second try
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its a huge list of claims and the dose used was up to 50 mg- but as VaughnTrue wrote, could get expense.
 
No no no no no.

Teacrine is effective. The dose is often kept very low because it's one of the worst tasting ingredients on the planet. To give perspective, adding 100mg to a 14,000mg mix of xtend, significantly alters the flavor. People know how strong the flavors are in xtend. You can see results with Teacrine at 50 and especially at 100.

You know how the industry works X is the effective dose so lets use .5 x X and claim the same benefits.
 
1Fast400 said:
No no no no no.

Teacrine is effective. The dose is often kept very low because it's one of the worst tasting ingredients on the planet. To give perspective, adding 100mg to a 14,000mg mix of xtend, significantly alters the flavor. People know how strong the flavors are in xtend. You can see results with Teacrine at 50 and especially at 100.

You know how the industry works X is the effective dose so lets use .5 x X and claim the same benefits.
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interesting, can this be capped or is it needed with other ingredients ?
 
1Fast400 said:
No no no no no.

Teacrine is effective. The dose is often kept very low because it's one of the worst tasting ingredients on the planet. To give perspective, adding 100mg to a 14,000mg mix of xtend, significantly alters the flavor. People know how strong the flavors are in xtend. You can see results with Teacrine at 50 and especially at 100.

You know how the industry works X is the effective dose so lets use .5 x X and claim the same benefits.
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100 mgs of teacrine I've tried gives me a stiff neck.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This. It's definitely not "better" than caffeine in regards to energy/focus, even at equal mg doses in my experience. Plus it's much more expensive and tastes pretty bad.
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kind of all over here- at least we know it taste bad lol
 
smith_69 said:
kind of all over here- at least we know it taste bad lol
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Haha. It tastes bad and it's very expensive, especially relative to caffeine (and even other stimulants). Even if developing a tolerance isn't an issue with it, it's not like it's being used to replace caffeine (which it can't IMO), it's just being added to supplements that still have medium/high (relatively, I'm not talking crazy 500mg+ per serving doses) caffeine content. I think (spellcheck sucks) it's just not for me.
 
A lot of companies trying to push more than just caffeine though,
They want a one-up on competition

I'm seeing a lot of formulas go to multiple caffeine forms and claiming it gets an edge that way.

Meh.
 
200mg Caffeine + 25-50mg Theacrine will treat you nicely.

Theacrine solo, won't do much.
 
To give industry perspective, supplement companies think something is expensive if it adds .50 to the cost of a formula, total. Teacrine isn't meant as a replacement to caffeine, it's meant to be used in addition too.
 
1Fast400 said:
To give industry perspective, supplement companies think something is expensive if it adds .50 to the cost of a formula, total. Teacrine isn't meant as a replacement to caffeine, it's meant to be used in addition too.
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when the average price of a pre-workout totals up to less than $5 in raw materials, $0.50 does make a large difference to be fair here
 
kbayne said:
200mg Caffeine + 25-50mg Theacrine will treat you nicely.

Theacrine solo, won't do much.
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IMO:

200mg caffeine >> 200mg theacrine

200mg caffeine + 50mg theacrine may be nice, but is it much nicer than just 250mg caffeine? Especially given that it tastes worse and is much more expensive.
 
VaughnTrue said:
when the average price of a pre-workout totals up to less than $5 in raw materials, $0.50 does make a large difference to be fair here
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Yeah, but if adding an ingredient pushes the retail cost from 29.99 to 30.49, that can make all the difference. Sure they could cut their margins but who does that?
 
kbayne said:
200mg Caffeine + 25-50mg Theacrine will treat you nicely.

Theacrine solo, won't do much.
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I always felt this was the case with DMAA. Solo, you don't feel much but add it to caffeine and you get an effect that neither produces on it's own.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
IMO:

200mg caffeine >> 200mg theacrine

200mg caffeine + 50mg theacrine may be nice, but is it much nicer than just 250mg caffeine? Especially given that it tastes worse and is much more expensive.
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Like I said, I wouldn't use Theacrine solo, so of couse 200mg Caffeine > 200mg Theacrine -- plus, that would be one expensive dose being wasted. LIke Mike said, Theacrine isn't meant to be used solo or replace Caffeine.

Have you tried Caffeine + Theacrine?
 
VaughnTrue said:
when the average price of a pre-workout totals up to less than $5 in raw materials, $0.50 does make a large difference to be fair here
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The latest version I'm working on cost 3x that roughly in raws. I prefer to formulate on efficacy, **** costs. That's why my best selling product is the same formula for the past 12 years :)
 
kbayne said:
Like I said, I wouldn't use Theacrine solo, so of couse 200mg Caffeine > 200mg Theacrine -- plus, that would be one expensive dose being wasted. LIke Mike said, Theacrine isn't meant to be used solo or replace Caffeine.

Have you tried Caffeine + Theacrine?
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Yes, I have. I personally don't think the cost is worth the benefits; if I want more than what caffeine provides, there are other ingredients (for energy, focus, mood, etc) that I prefer, which are often cheaper still.
 
So has theacrine + caffeine taken the place of synephrine + caffeine?

Does synephrine not sit well with some people? Seems like it is on its way out? Just curious?
 
muscleupcrohn said:
I agree, but it seems more like a gimmick than anything to me really.
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+1 on that one- I don't want caf in my pre so anytime I see a pre w/o I do get a little excited but do diligence on the user
 
ddfox said:
So has theacrine + caffeine taken the place of synephrine + caffeine?

Does synephrine not sit well with some people? Seems like it is on its way out? Just curious?
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The two aren't similar in regards to MOA.

Theacrine allows for many to use lower doses of caffeine while adding in theacrine and not building up a tolerance (at least as quick).

Synephrine -- mainly used for appetite suppression IMO. Doesn't give much/if any stim effect.
 
carmaf said:
Synephrine never gave me any appetite suppression, but I feel like it did give me some stim kick in the previous version of C4. That product always hit me differently than just regular caffeine. Could have just been on good days though, or who knows what else could have been at play.
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Dose is key with Synephrine.

How positive are you Synephrine gave you the stim kick, with the other stims included in C4?
 
If you download the Target app Cartwheel, they're 2.00ea. They come as a 4 pack in 4 flavors:

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Yum, doing that right now
 
1Fast400 said:
If you download the Target app Cartwheel, they're 2.00ea. They come as a 4 pack in 4 flavors:

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Very nice. I have to pick some up. It wouldn't be a bad drink to sip on during a long day of classes with the caffeine/theanine either.
 
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