Best non-hormonal Suppliment
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Driven2lift
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Ergonine gets my vote if you want just one.
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9 ergogens at their studied doses in one scoop/day.
Every ingredient works to improve your physical performance, with added benefits of greater lbm gains, fat mass loss (both/either assuming proper diet), enhanced recovery, and much more.
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9 ergogens at their studied doses in one scoop/day.
Every ingredient works to improve your physical performance, with added benefits of greater lbm gains, fat mass loss (both/either assuming proper diet), enhanced recovery, and much more.
criticalbench
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Finish Line because it literally contains everything you need.. X-Factor for a more direct mass builder.
LeanEngineer
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I'd say an ABE and anafuse run would definitely put on some lean mass with a good diet and training program .
john.patterson
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The most studied and proven natural supplement to help with muscle building is creatine. It can help with strength by allowing you push out those last few reps in your workouts. This translates to strength gain and building muscle. As AntM mentioned above, CreMax XT would be a great option. You get a full serving of creatine, as well as electrolytes for performance/endurance, and amentoflavone to help with muscle contractions to deliver a strong mind-muscle connection.
ma70
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This question is too vague. Depends what you're looking to spend, if you care about evidence in humans vs rats, etc. Stuff I'd recommend to someone who is just hopping into training:
OL Conqu3r Unleashed (or some of the ingredients in it)
OL Tr1umph/PES Ergonine (or some of the ingredients in it)
Then for people who are well versed in training and diet: (stuff backed by human studies)
Arachidonic Acid
Phosphatidic Acid
Forskolin
PeakATP
LJ100
KSM-66
Other stuff I liked that some people may or may not believe in: (anecdote based)
Epicatechin
Laxogenin/Ecdysterone (if overreaching/high frequency)
OL Conqu3r Unleashed (or some of the ingredients in it)
OL Tr1umph/PES Ergonine (or some of the ingredients in it)
Then for people who are well versed in training and diet: (stuff backed by human studies)
Arachidonic Acid
Phosphatidic Acid
Forskolin
PeakATP
LJ100
KSM-66
Other stuff I liked that some people may or may not believe in: (anecdote based)
Epicatechin
Laxogenin/Ecdysterone (if overreaching/high frequency)
ManimalPatB
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ryanhalterman
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IFN Finish line
ryanhalterman
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IForce Nutrition
booneman77
Legend
Ara (x gels)
Anabeta elite (paired with xgels for synergy)
Magnitropin
epi-plex (epicatechin)
Anabeta elite (paired with xgels for synergy)
Magnitropin
epi-plex (epicatechin)
ryanhalterman
New member
Tr1umph has my vote! I love it.
Zoomie33240
Member
From my experience, Anabeta Elite has always given me great results (with proper diet/training). It is really helpful with strength, fullness, and recomp as well. Magnitropin and other epi products didn't help me with stength as much but worked very well for recomp, fullness, and a little endurance. Soy Lecithin (phosphatidic acid) is very cheap and great for muscle fullness and help with strength.
However If you are just starting supplements then wait on those and just buy a good pre workout, BCAA, and creatine, and possibly a multivitamin. Whey is helpful too but depending on the money you want to spend you could always just get protein from food sources.
However If you are just starting supplements then wait on those and just buy a good pre workout, BCAA, and creatine, and possibly a multivitamin. Whey is helpful too but depending on the money you want to spend you could always just get protein from food sources.
banjobounce
Active member
From what I've read, Turkesterone 
If you are looking for individual ingredients, I would say creatine, phosphatidic acid (SL granules for cost effectiveness) Arachidonic acid. If you are looking for an all in one supp, I would say any of the fore mentioned products (based on their labels. I have not tried any of them).
If you are looking for individual ingredients, I would say creatine, phosphatidic acid (SL granules for cost effectiveness) Arachidonic acid. If you are looking for an all in one supp, I would say any of the fore mentioned products (based on their labels. I have not tried any of them).
jgntyce
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Finish line has all the necessary ingredients and at the proper dosages for proper post recovery!
Woody
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Good suggestions and no product pimping. I like it.
I would add ABE to the list.
Evomuse BMP and Myosynergy Elite, also.
rascal14
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I know this is off topic but does this need to be taken daily? Or is 4-5 days a week good enough with my ARA doses?
criticalbench
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Um...sorry but what is this Finish Line you speak of? Google gives only horse products
Haha, all good bro. It is made by I-Force Nutrition. It is an extremely complete post workout product literally containing everything you need daily for muscle building in one. It has a full serving of BCAAs in addition to LCLT, BA, Creatine, TMG, etc. Tons and tons of great reviews already pouring in and tastes great.
gynopuff
Member
Which one of these will not give me acne.... Also Arachidonic A Phosphatidic A do these just work for muscle fullness or aiding in muscle building as well?
MidwestBeast
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Hard to give just one answer.
I won't say whey because to me, that's just food, and hopefully you already have that part in check.
Depends on if you're asking for one ingredient or one product (containing more than a single ingredient).
Either way, Ergonine is a solid choice and MyoSynergy Elite is fantastic (stacked with BMP it's even better).
ArA, ABE, and some others are all solid, as well.
I won't say whey because to me, that's just food, and hopefully you already have that part in check.
Depends on if you're asking for one ingredient or one product (containing more than a single ingredient).
Either way, Ergonine is a solid choice and MyoSynergy Elite is fantastic (stacked with BMP it's even better).
ArA, ABE, and some others are all solid, as well.
gynopuff
Member
Abe is hormonal though... Is ara not?
john.patterson
Well-known member
I've found that PA and ArA have both given me very minor acne. I think its due to the fact that they're both fatty acids, but I may be wrong. Nothing ever extreme enough to stop taking it though. Do you have any problem or sensitivity to getting acne?
As far as muscle building to muscle fullness, I would say that both can help with true muscle gain, and muscle fullness is just one of the nice perks while taking it. ArA gave me some insane pumps, and PA makes my muscles feel fuller throughout the day. They were both helpful for me in terms of strength gains though, so IMO they both help with building muscle
Driven2lift
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ABE is not hormonal
It has secondary hormonal benefits,
Many types of products can alter hormone levels, but the primary MOA here is not hormonal.
It is a natural anabolic, most accurately.
+ hormonal benefits
+ gda effects
+ sexual health benefits
Etc...
MidwestBeast
Legend
This
If you're looking to avoid any impact whatosever on hormones, you'd pretty much want to steer clear of almost anything; including some vitamins.
jgntyce
Board Sponsor
What specific vitamins do you speak of?
ma70
Well-known member
Vitamin D is one obvious one.
Driven2lift
Legend
With secondary hormonal benefits? A bunch, and plenty of minerals.
But in those instances it is only of significance if you were deficient in something
gynopuff
Member
Abe shrunk my nuts and destroyed my t levels as well as everyone else that i saw run it without running esrase pro or a test booster along side it or afterward, also, I agree with you.... Food > Whey... I get around 200g protein form food a day I cant have dairy or ill get acne.
gynopuff
Member
I have scars from running gear as very sensitive to acne
rascal14
Well-known member
Lol wtf
jathan_howe
Active member
Just started X-Factor+Alphamax today. Can't wait for the results
smith_69
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isn't whey dairy?
Driven2lift
Legend
That is fairly unbelievable feedback, to be honest.
I've seen more people use ABE in my years here than most, coached most through their first runs with it, this includes local clients I worked with personally; I have never seen that.
It also just makes no sense to me, and I'm someone getting bloodwork done 4-6 times annually, many of these times while on ABE,
Hormonal panels all stay well within range and nothing that could induce testicular atrophy in healthy individuals is in this product.
I need to state that here so readers don't assume the worst after that post, certainly you understand.
If this was ever a legitimate fear you would ask your doctor
smith_69
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had to come back here to read this again, lmao - lol
ma70
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Hahaha....
HardB0iled
Active member
Same... I kept looking for the "not serious" footnote but it wasn't there. Lol.
gynopuff
Member
Go search on Google abe testicular shrinkage i couldn't get my junk up until i ran erase pro a month after.
HardB0iled
Active member
Whether you intended to or not, I think you just sold me on both ABE and Erase pro... I mean if ABE can f**k up your junk that much it must be some good s**t.... and erase pro is strong enough to get you straight again?!
SOLD and SOLD!!!!
AntM1564
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Awesome! If you have any questions regarding AlphaMax, feel free to PM me.
AntM1564
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gynopuff
Another option would be a GDA such as SlinMax. SinMax is completely non hormonal and is an open label, no prop blends. The ingredients are fully dosed and can help one with insulin sensitivity and maximum glucose uptake. SlinMax will help keep your muscles looking full, which is not just a cosmetic benefit, but can also translate to better workouts. If taken pre workout with a large carb meal, pumps are pretty epic too.
Another option would be a GDA such as SlinMax. SinMax is completely non hormonal and is an open label, no prop blends. The ingredients are fully dosed and can help one with insulin sensitivity and maximum glucose uptake. SlinMax will help keep your muscles looking full, which is not just a cosmetic benefit, but can also translate to better workouts. If taken pre workout with a large carb meal, pumps are pretty epic too.
AntM1564
Legend
Ghenerate is a very underrated product IMO. It puts me to sleep nicely and recovery is increased. I haven't ran it in a while. I remember when TF Supplements had it for roughly $8/bottle.