Haha it always happens like that when you really wanna get somehing done. Good luck tomorrow man. Im sure they have un****** themselves now
Im excited to see the results. This will be the 4th public letrone labs. Someone just posted some in the labs section. Im curious to see where your e2 is if test is over 1000. Now we patiently wait.Ok blood is drawn. Now we wait!
I feel like crap usually but this is probably from poor total calorie intakeSurprised your e2 only dropped 2 points. Mine dropped just over 10 points @ only 1 cap ED and I had lower baseline e2 numbers. I did run it for 60 days straight though. I still think your Testosterone levels look good, but of course >800 would be ideal. How do you feel? Do you feel good? When I was on TRT my TT would sit around 700 and my e2 around 20 and I felt great there.
Yea I readjusted my daily plan today and i will top out at 70g cho. I think going from 30 to 80 all at once is asking for some issues maybeSlow and steady!
Would seem that way.so the takeaway here is that letrone didn't have much of an effect for you?
You shouldnt feel that way bro, I have much less than half of your test and I feel good. I trust that you will feel much better if upping caloriesI feel like crap usually but this is probably from poor total calorie intake
That's a strong attitudeWell the good news for the log is that anateus is sending me some of their stand alone BAIBA to throw in here.
I'll post an updated list of supps. I'm looking forward to this in conjunction with the increase in cals. I'll also start posting workouts and macros as often as possible if not daily initially to get some feedback from all of you. Thinking it may be time for some progress pics as well. I have dialed back the intensity and volume for the last month (planned) and been off from training this whole week to gear up for a solid recomp push through to New Years.
New plan will have me lifting 4-5 days a week with hiit and weighted carries/sled/rower mixing it up for cardio. Emphasis as always on constructing that v taper wide shoulders and lats plus small waist.
Currently 157-160 and not as much concerned with the scale number at all as much as the mirror. Looking forward to jacking up the volume and intensity and feeling and looking strong again.
One or two other supplements on the original list dont seem to be having much of an effect as wellso the takeaway here is that letrone didn't have much of an effect for you?
Which would you be referring to? Maybe I can clear up something for youOne or two other supplements on the original list dont seem to be having much of an effect as well
Ol lj 100, ol eliminate, anabeta og, as forskolin. I refer to your post of 3 augustWhich would you be referring to? Maybe I can clear up something for you
What would make you say those aren't effective from the blood work I posted? We didn't test for free test, but when I did back in July to August, LJ dropped my Shbg by 7 or 8 points which means a pretty fair increase in free test..... So we know LJ works 100%
Eliminate is for cortisol, not estrogen as many believed in the past... And my coritsol on another test was 16 which is very good ESPECIALLY considering my circumstances
Forskolin and anabeta.... Not sure what you'd look for in bloods besides thyroid and LH, thyroid wasn't tested here and LH went down bc of negative feedback from the clomid.
Dude you and the rest of the AM community know when multiple supps are simultaneously used that any blood work should be taken with a grain of salt. No need to drag company advertising into this. Nomsayn'?So , the Olympus Labs ad on their own website is wrong? Their website clearly categorises Eliminate as an anti-estrogen. Extract from their ad says: ELIM1NATE – the most versatile anti-estrogen up to date!! As far as I can see you never directly tested for Free Test. You seem to be implying LJ100 must have increased your free test due to the drop in SHBG. Forskolin is cited as a test booster (among it's other properties) along with Anacyclus pyrethrum , although I accept Anabeta is not marketed as a test booster
Dude you and the rest of the AM community know when multiple supps are simultaneously used that any blood work should be taken with a grain of salt. No need to drag company advertising into this. Nomsayn'?
Because my estrogen didn't drop. Pretty simple man. I don't understand why you're coming in here arguing with results on paper..... It's kind of pointless to do. If said product did what it was supposed to, estrogen would have lowered. Not sure what your agenda is but mine is simple and unbiased and backed by blood work. Can't get much more straight forward than that. I'm not going to turn this thread into a pissing contest or debate over semanticsMy point precisely! I don't understand how one single supplement can be objectively isolated as not working out of a laundry list of multiple supps.
Like a 7 on a scale of 1-10, ten being feeling like Buddha. Pretty good most the time. The only things that bug me is my insomnia and chronic aches and pains in my shoulder and glutes/hips. I think once I get my nutrition consistently improved, those two areas will be much better. I was able to feel pretty relaxed and fall asleep rather easily last night, but I woke up quite a few times feeling extremely restless and anxious.How s your mood?
Thats great, nutrition will help a lot but in the meantime you should figure what is the external factor that is causing the anxiety and reduce it. You will feel brand newLike a 7 on a scale of 1-10, ten being feeling like Buddha. Pretty good most the time. The only things that bug me is my insomnia and chronic aches and pains in my shoulder and glutes/hips. I think once I get my nutrition consistently improved, those two areas will be much better. I was able to feel pretty relaxed and fall asleep rather easily last night, but I woke up quite a few times feeling extremely restless and anxious.
I remember a guy that use to study supplements and the way they work. Saying stacking too many things at once can actually cancel one another out depending on how they work.
All valid points and have decided to do such and reassess in a modest time frame. Just gonna focus on basics and body comp while working this reverse diet. Adding in the BAIBA from Antaeus when it arrives but that's obviously non hormonal. Gonna roll with very few non hormonal and staples supps for a whileIts hard to imagine all the products on this list
PLus clomid and letrone and there was basically no change in test or estrogen. I agree. Either something is up or many of these products are failing to work. LJ, eliminate, letrone, clomid forskolin should all raise test levels. And Letrone should lower estro levels. Has in 100% of other tests run.
So Im not sure whats going on. My thought is your system needs a break. All of these products pulling and pushing for long periods. Your body will seek homeostasis and potentially stop responding. I think this is likely whats happening. Your numbers are ok currently. Id drop all hormonal products for a couple of months. Then retest. If your unhappy then possibly restart. For now it looks like your not responding to anything. estrogen didnt drop but....test didnt budge either and your on clomid and lj and forskolin. So basically nothing is working.
I'm not sure but probably 8-12 weeks on/4 off? Goal dependent ... Not sure. Maybe someone from Antaeus can chime in or I'll dig into it myself soonI've heard about this a while ago, extremely interested how this will go! Also would this need to be cycled? I'd like to say no but I'm not sure.
That sounds fine. It's the kind of thing that probably works better over the course of a few months rather than a few weeks - and may keep working after you finish taking it. The idea is that some fat cells are remodelled into thermogenic beige (/brite) cells that increase body temp/energy expenditure (see: wiki), a process that isn't instant but should be cumulative and fairly long-lasting.I'm not sure but probably 8-12 weeks on/4 off?
Cool. I'm interested to see what it is. I'm thinking about some BAIBA for my bulkI have one interesting observation im seeing with the BAIBA but I'm gonna give it another day or two before stating for sure
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