Dave's Newest bulk into cut for show. AAS, SLIN and GH

DangerDave said:
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Wow Dave awesome work man! Your going to nail your next show!
 
DangerDave said:
Thanks bro.
Yeah I used some new techniques for chest development since it was a weak point and it worked. Added a good amount. My delts just grew as an accident kind of because of my switch ups in routine.

I went to DC training for 2 months but injured myself (right rotator cuff again). And separated my shin muscles from my tibia and bone spurs came back in my knees. I went to peptides, Deca and more GH and healed up. Then got sick as fuk (not gear related) and it took a few good weeks to get over. Then went ham and put everything back on and decided to do a 10 week cut for a show. So all in all I had a decent off season but wait until this show is over... Got some serious size to put on. 240 with abs here I come. I found the magic way for my diet, training and supps to line up :)
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Well, spill some magic tricks about your diet!
 
NattyForLife said:
Well, spill some magic tricks about your diet!
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It's nothing super crazy. I was running test, EQ and a little npp (joints) for awhile. I also ran peptides 3x a day with 4iu GH 2x a day. This allowed me to pack down 4k calories 6 days outta the week and sundays I would eat 8k calories. The 4k was pretty clean except the meal after my post workout meal. I woke up in the middle of the night and drank a large shake and went back to bed. The 8k calories was dirty as fuk! Ha not too bad but it was a TON of carbs and red fatty meat. I used Slin the 6 days I ate pretty clean and worked out till I felt like dying. No Slin on my 8k calories refeed days. I did this for a solid month and put on 10-15lbs pretty lean. The grocery bill was intense tho... As far as that the "magic" diet part is I just figured out and aligned my calorie needs with my training and supps for how my body grows.
 
DangerDave said:
It's nothing super crazy. I was running test, EQ and a little npp (joints) for awhile. I also ran peptides 3x a day with 4iu GH 2x a day. This allowed me to pack down 4k calories 6 days outta the week and sundays I would eat 8k calories. The 4k was pretty clean except the meal after my post workout meal. I woke up in the middle of the night and drank a large shake and went back to bed. The 8k calories was dirty as fuk! Ha not too bad but it was a TON of carbs and red fatty meat. I used Slin the 6 days I ate pretty clean and worked out till I felt like dying. No Slin on my 8k calories refeed days. I did this for a solid month and put on 10-15lbs pretty lean. The grocery bill was intense tho... As far as that the "magic" diet part is I just figured out and aligned my calorie needs with my training and supps for how my body grows.
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Holy hell 8k... Did you feel sluggish at all the next day after that? I've had mixed results with "dirty" days as sometimes I feel like I doubled in size and could lift the world and other times I feel like I ate a tub of crisco and washed it down with bloat ha.
 
booneman77 said:
Holy hell 8k... Did you feel sluggish at all the next day after that? I've had mixed results with "dirty" days as sometimes I feel like I doubled in size and could lift the world and other times I feel like I ate a tub of crisco and washed it down with bloat ha.
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Not really sluggish. I slept a lot during the "feeding day" ha. I think it depends on what your eating. I ate a dozen eggs, 5-6 pancakes and a ton of bacon with biscuits and gravy for breakfast. I ate sandwiched between the meals. Lunch was usually a large pizza, cookies, weight gainer shake and milk. Dinner was always bison, steak or burgers around 1.5-2lbs of either one. Plus a tub of icecream and more cookies. Pre bed was a dozen eggs, protein shake, and whatever else I wanted or saw lying around.

The key I think was I was making my body a furnace during the week on 4k clean calories. I didn't feel much fuller on 8k because that food was calorie dense. Yeah at the end of the day it was brutal but a ton of peptides and gh helps with the appetite from 900mg EQ lol. I am one I those guys who can force feed no problem. My girl was grossed out and her kid would challenge me to see how fast I could eat or bet me I couldn't eat a pizza in X amount of bites lol.
 
Hyde said:
Why no slin on the 8k sundays? I'd think that would be ideal....
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Slin will put ALL nutrients away. If you eat dirty and since I focused on higher fats and sugar to get my cals it would have made me a fatty. I used it on my cleaner days so I could control my macros and intake.
 
DangerDave said:
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BOOM! I'm 4 weeks out this is last week at 5 weeks before I dropped carbs and upped my cardio. Clen and t3 start this week. Shred time
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Maybe it's just the pic but I expected your arms to be a lot bigger considering your body size. Is that a weak spot or is it just the pic?
 
JeremyNG25 said:
Maybe it's just the pic but I expected your arms to be a lot bigger considering your body size. Is that a weak spot or is it just the pic?
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I think that's the pic man. My arms are 17" relaxed and just under 19" flexed.
 
Even after your leg injuries your legs are still facking sick.
 
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3.5 weeks. Time to drop lots of fat
 
I know I said it before, but you look noticeably bigger now DD - and better, more balanced & more pronounced X.
 
Reece said:
Straight Massive!

Good job & best of luck.
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Thanks man! Trying to get big. Hit a good 235lbs off season. Trying to hit 250 this one and SLOWLY diet down and be about 225 in season.

rascal14 said:
Good to see you back, this is one of my favorite logs even though I wasn't in it from the beginning.
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Thanks man and welcome!
 
Reece said:
We'll be proud man!
Take dedication and time to achieve results like that.. I'll be tuned in, thanks man..
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In taking a good 6 week cruise after my show and focus on work and life I missed during my prep and enjoying my summer. (I'm prepping through my bday and other events I will miss). After that... I got a sick bulk planned. I won't share it all buuuuut it includes all pharma compounds like...
Dbol
Drol
Sust
Test e
GH
Slin
Peptides
Deca

All over a 16 week period. It will be the first of 2 bulks before next season. The 2nd will be a 12 weeker short ester on/off blast. Should be a good off season. Just gotta heal a few lagging injuries that came back up.
 
Reece said:
Looks sick, I need to learn a bit more about GH, Slin & Peptides... Never even looked into them really.. GH i have but it's expensive..

Minus those, I've got a cycle coming up similar.. Test E, Sust, Deca, Dbol, Proviron.. Need to shed a few lbs before I start, but should be legit.. All Pharma as well, no bs..

I'll have to follow and read back through the log to learn a bit on the extras..

Training does suck up your life man especially for your goals.. It's hard to balance them out, that's why I said be proud..

If you got any tips or pointers, I'm always all ears man..
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In order to balance it all out you need to be regimental. Wednesday and Sunday between 3-6 is food prep for the week. I train everyday at 5:00pm. When I wake up I just embrace the suck man. Do my cardio at 530am and work my ass of during the day. If I don't then I lift later and I take time from my personal life and family. I will do anything to spare them that. During my off days when I don't food prep I make sure the girl and kid get time. They know and understand my life evolves around training and food. They come 2nd as messed up as that sounds. But they know after the show they come back to #1 priority. If they weren't ok with that I wouldn't be around. It sounds harsh but I have the symmetry, muscle bellies and stature to go far in the sport and I live a life with no regrets. It's a 1 shot chance with no redemption in my eyes. All or nothing, if they aren't on board then this gain train will keep moving without them.

As far as gear.. Dont bother with GH until you are ready to spend 3grand+ a year man. If you are I will give you solid advice on how to run it. Blast a decent amount of AAS but not too much in bulks, blast a ton in a prep tho. Use training and diet to gain for a bulk. High doses don't belong in a bulk but lots of different compounds for different lengths do. It keeps the body growing as the receptors pull different kinds in and can't adjust to one type. Honestly if you aren't ready to be on trt don't bodybuild. Pct will not work if you want to go somewhere in the sport. That's just fact. As ugly as it is everyone you compete against that's good is so its the standard.
 
Reece said:
Everything you said makes perfect sense and I understand your standpoint 100%. I am not looking to compete, it's just what I love to do. GH is something I'd love to try eventually but as of now, it's not in the cards..

I never really thought about switching up my compounds during a run though.. It does make a lot of sense, I've always just ran them straight through.. However, once this order comes in I'll be able to run pretty much anything I want in anyway.. For compounds like Deca or Eq that shine after 8-12 weeks, how would you switch those up? As in if you had what I listed, how would you run it?

TRT is in the future for me, I'm well aware of it. After this cycle I'm sure it will come.
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Run the long esters the whole 12+ weeks. I find switching around the short esters/orals is money. It tricks the body. Example-
Sust 750mg ew 1-16
Deca 400mg ew 1-16
Drol/Dbol 25mg Ed 1-4
Test P 100mg eod 1-3
Mast p 50mg Eod 8-12
Tren A 25mg eod 8-11
Halo 25mg (heavy days) 14-16

Lots of compounds hitting different times but no crazy doses. Sust and Deca are the heavy hitters and you androgen/anabolic. The drol/Bol mix will kick it off with the test but stop as the Deca and Sust kick in and keep you gaining. The Tren and mast mid cycle won't mess your progesterone up at a low dose (assuming your using caber) and will help drop water plus harder you up. At your strongest of the cycle you go out with a bang using halo to slam some heavy weight at your peak of strength (that's PR time baby). Like I said its a lot but nothing stupid crazy where you risk toxicity or serious estro problems as long as you use the basic ancillaries.
 
Reece said:
That's honestly looks like a solid ass layout.. Especially with the doses as is the sides will be damn near non-existent.. I just took a screenshot of this haha.. Looks complex but really isn't bad at all.. Just have to grab some Halo, the rest is on hand..

I was actually just talking to someone about Halo. The only reason I haven't ran it is due to the cost. But laid out as above, it won't be bad at all.

Due you ever use TNE or anything along those lines as a Pre? I've got injectable Dbol and tabs, also some TNE. Just picked these up to lay off the orals a bit, but again, laid out as above, it won't be bad..
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Yeah I love tne. Be ready for estro sides. Start and ai a few days in or as soon as you feel wet or look slightly bloated. You can use injectable Dbol no prob and replace tabs. 25mg Dbol and 25-50mg tne 30-45min Prewo is awesome.

As far as the halo you need to be careful because BP can get crazy. Start at 10mg Prewo for heavy days and every other dose bump it slightly. If you get a headache or super light headed drop the dose back to previous. I recommend not going past 75mg total in a week. It gives me stupid BP problems. Last time I got a bloody nose squating 520lbs but finished my reps. I got a lot of looks squatting that with blood pouring out my face hahahaha. Just be careful halo is no dang joke but you WILL break PRs with it trust me.
 
Reece said:
Awesome brother, good info and tips..
Maybe I'll run the Injectable Dbol with some Abombs to kick.. Then once that's over just use TNE as a pre and follow the layout above.. Lose the TNE when Halo starts..

Why do you use Test E & Sust?
Just to get the Test dose higher with less pinning or to be more stable?
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No test E is what I will be cruising on. So I just add on top of it. Don't run TNE too long man it's so aromatizable that it's just gunna lead to e2 problems. Run it here and there but only for a few weeks. After the Deca and Sust are working there will be no need for the extra test.
 
Looking solid as **** dave! I agree with the rest, your legs do look bigger ha. Also you got those Boulder shoulders!
 
DangerDave said:
Yeah I love tne. Be ready for estro sides. Start and ai a few days in or as soon as you feel wet or look slightly bloated. You can use injectable Dbol no prob and replace tabs. 25mg Dbol and 25-50mg tne 30-45min Prewo is awesome.

As far as the halo you need to be careful because BP can get crazy. Start at 10mg Prewo for heavy days and every other dose bump it slightly. If you get a headache or super light headed drop the dose back to previous. I recommend not going past 75mg total in a week. It gives me stupid BP problems. Last time I got a bloody nose squating 520lbs but finished my reps. I got a lot of looks squatting that with blood pouring out my face hahahaha. Just be careful halo is no dang joke but you WILL break PRs with it trust me.
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Finally someone with feedback on halo ha. I've been trying to find decent info and feedback for literally like 2yrs and all I ever find is "it's liver toxic, strength is great".
 
booneman77 said:
Finally someone with feedback on halo ha. I've been trying to find decent info and feedback for literally like 2yrs and all I ever find is "it's liver toxic, strength is great".
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Yeah toxic as fuk! Lol don't run it long like a week everyday or 2-3 weeks eod or e3d just for heavy days. If it's used with Tren be ready to break a PR every set lol. It's just not so common because in the lack of Tren days when Tren couldn't be gotten it was the replacement for strength and hardness. It's expensive and really just used in powerlifting right before a meet or during the last week or two of show preps. It will add strength/density and hardness to a lean physique but not add mass. It WILL make you aggressive as a momma bear protecting Cubs tho.. So be careful haha. Never had those type of rage issues, I'm a pretty calm guy normally but I wanted to rape b*tches and murder people for no reason.
 
You mentioned earlier that you gave DC a try for a few months. Did you do the workout Dante suggests or did you use his principals?

Like someone else said you are making us proud, keep up the awesome work and thanks for sharing all your experience with us.
 
smike said:
You mentioned earlier that you gave DC a try for a few months. Did you do the workout Dante suggests or did you use his principals?

Like someone else said you are making us proud, keep up the awesome work and thanks for sharing all your experience with us.
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I went of his program exactly. It was awesome. I have his videos and stuff. I will do it again during my bulk.

Thanks man!
 
Were you always on Tren while using Halo?

Honestly I thought 24mg e/d for about 2.5 weeks pre-meet was super weaksauce. It made me a little irritable & snappy, my gf is always pretty honest when things change me, but not the kind of aggression that Cyanostane brought even (sonofab*tch that stuff made me cranky). And the strength was nothing special; not nearly as good as DMZ even. Biggest wasted of $140 ever.

This was assuming it was legit, of course, but a bit of strength and aggression was all I noticed with zero bloat, gyno irritation, or size/fullness increase, so the effects were spot on.
 
Hyde said:
Were you always on Tren while using Halo?

Honestly I thought 24mg e/d for about 2.5 weeks pre-meet was super weaksauce. It made me a little irritable & snappy, my gf is always pretty honest when things change me, but not the kind of aggression that Cyanostane brought even (sonofab*tch that stuff made me cranky). And the strength was nothing special; not nearly as good as DMZ even. Biggest wasted of $140 ever.

This was assuming it was legit, of course, but a bit of strength and aggression was all I noticed with zero bloat, gyno irritation, or size/fullness increase, so the effects were spot on.
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No not always on Tren. I do know the halo I use is VERY high purity. 20mg Max for me or BP got too bad. I get it in 10mg pressed tabs. The 2 brands I use are Anarchy Labs and I like British Pharm. the Brit pharm was intense but not bad at $60 for 30x10mg tabs. I like the hardness it adds to me if I'm lean. I have been on Tren and used it (about to for the last 2 weeks of my prep again) and that is MONEY.
 
DD great plan for a big blast! Are you cruising on 350 test E and how long are you cruising between blasts or pulsing with different
 
Reece said:
$60 for 30 x 10 is a steal..
I'd grab some at that price.
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That's nearly half what I paid, so I'd have to agree. I'd try it again for that price. Cool thing about fluoxy is it's so unsuppressive a guy like myself could use it 2-3 weeks pre-meet on training days, totally solo, and neither pct nor notice any real suppression.
 
rascal14 said:
What are your thoughts on HCG for someone who doesn't cruise and still PCTs?
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Use it mid cycle starting week 4 till 2 weeks before you stop. 250 e3d all the way through
 
emantest said:
DD great plan for a big blast! Are you cruising on 350 test E and how long are you cruising between blasts or pulsing with different
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Well I like to cruise on 350mg but I got pharma gear now so I might just cruise on 250mg test e for 6 weeks then blast. I like a 6-8 week wait between blasts any sooner and I found diminishing results. The blast just isn't effective.
 
Hyde said:
Your brother still big as f*ck and beating up the physique circuit?
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He got his pro card last year and he has been in grow mode like DD. He is planning to do his first show early next year, and yes he is big and ripped, not DD big but big. He is a personal trainer and is a rock star at a 44K sq ft 10 fitness breaking client records for training and sales.
 
emantest said:
He got his pro card last year and he has been in grow mode like DD. He is planning to do his first show early next year, and yes he is big and ripped, not DD big but big. He is a personal trainer and is a rock star at a 44K sq ft 10 fitness breaking client records for training and sales.
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Yeah I remember him looking awesome in the pics you posted of that show; should be sweet to see what he brings to the stage next year after a true off-season.
 
Hey man I have one other question. I've been cutting naturally and I'm about tired of it. Lol I just got some Test in for my first pinning cycle. I have a couple of ideas for what to do

Start the cycle and continue cutting the first few weeks to get rid of some more body fat and then raise my calories to a lean bulk.

Continue cutting up to the start of the cycle and start the cycle as a lean bulk.

Reverse diet naturally before the cycle and try to put on some size just from doing that and finish up the cycle with a few weeks of Tren or something to try and lean out a little before PCT?

It's going to be 15 weeks of Test C 500mg a week and kickstarting with 4 weeks of 75mg Prop eod. I may throw in an oral at some point. I'm not really sure yet on anything else besides the Test.
 
rascal14 said:
Hey man I have one other question. I've been cutting naturally and I'm about tired of it. Lol I just got some Test in for my first pinning cycle. I have a couple of ideas for what to do

Start the cycle and continue cutting the first few weeks to get rid of some more body fat and then raise my calories to a lean bulk.

Continue cutting up to the start of the cycle and start the cycle as a lean bulk.

Reverse diet naturally before the cycle and try to put on some size just from doing that and finish up the cycle with a few weeks of Tren or something to try and lean out a little before PCT?

It's going to be 15 weeks of Test C 500mg a week and kickstarting with 4 weeks of 75mg Prop eod. I may throw in an oral at some point. I'm not really sure yet on anything else besides the Test.
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I guess it depends on your goal which sounds like keep muscle and lose fat. Knut you gotta understand this.. After you bulk you add new muscle. This new muscle needs to mature and your body needs to learn so to speak to feed and keep this new muscle. When you cut calories it's telling your body to use something else as fuel, we want it to use fat. Now it doesn't pick and choose to listen to us or not. Your body is programmed to burn off muscle or fat for fuel in order to survive. It will always turn on the easiest, which in this case is the new muscle or most of it at least not the fat that already been there.

I recommend finishing the cycle by just adding cardio and lean out that way without cutting calories. Do a pct then after you are good do a real cut.
 
DangerDave said:
I guess it depends on your goal which sounds like keep muscle and lose fat. Knut you gotta understand this.. After you bulk you add new muscle. This new muscle needs to mature and your body needs to learn so to speak to feed and keep this new muscle. When you cut calories it's telling your body to use something else as fuel, we want it to use fat. Now it doesn't pick and choose to listen to us or not. Your body is programmed to burn off muscle or fat for fuel in order to survive. It will always turn on the easiest, which in this case is the new muscle or most of it at least not the fat that already been there.

I recommend finishing the cycle by just adding cardio and lean out that way without cutting calories. Do a pct then after you are good do a real cut.
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Yeah that makes sense..

I guess my real goal would be to finish the cycle with the same or less body fat than I started with, but more muscle obviously. That way I can continue a lean bulk after the cycle to help solidify the gains but not gain too much body fat to immediately need to do a cut again, if that makes sense.
 
rascal14 said:
Yeah that makes sense..

I guess my real goal would be to finish the cycle with the same or less body fat than I started with, but more muscle obviously. That way I can continue a lean bulk after the cycle to help solidify the gains but not gain too much body fat to immediately need to do a cut again, if that makes sense.
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Yeah that makes sense. Take calories to maintenance level, do cardio fasted in the morning and do a refeed meal after leg day.
 
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17 days baby! Just adjusted my doses of AAS, t3 and clen. Time to lean up a little more before I deplete then peak. I just want this to end so I can eat bada$$ food and BBQ with my boys this summer haha.
 
Dude I have to make weight next Friday, and already pulling things down in preparation (as volume is slashed heavily this week to finalize my over-reach while I do a few really heavy sets, so calorie needs dropped already). Next week is all 30% form check and bloodflow work, plus cutting, so that's gonna blow....but after weighins at 10 on Friday, I've got all day to get as heavy as possible for Sat. There will be donuts, and biscuits and gravy, and Idk what else, but it will prob look like your Sundays while you were gaining :biggthumpup:
 
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