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Dave's Newest bulk into cut for show. AAS, SLIN and GH

Thanks everyone. I'm really happy I cut so well in 10 weeks. I really owe a lot to my sponsor and the gear I use. I have a lab now that is the ONLY place I will go. Some of you go there now, if we talked then you know who you are.
 
DD what's been impressive to me is how you improved your weak points big time, which has really made you have the X frame. Keep improving and you got the growing part going strong, outstanding!!!
 
DangerDave said:
Thanks everyone. I'm really happy I cut so well in 10 weeks. I really owe a lot to my sponsor and the gear I use. I have a lab now that is the ONLY place I will go. Some of you go there now, if we talked then you know who you are.
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I must be missing out.. Lol
 
Hyde said:
I like how your hams and erectors are bigger and badder than everyone else's lol
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DEADLIFTS!!!! Lol but seriously a lot of deads and rack pulls man. You know exactly what I'm talking about because my power lifter buddies always mention those two muscle groups. My bodybuilder buddies mention my quads and upper body haha
 
Looks like it was all judges' pens down when you turned around, man. Very impressive. What's competition day like onstage and backstage between the competitors? Do you guys keep to yourselves, shyt talk, help out? I always wondered and I'm sure it's a combo of all of those things. How do you approach the big day?
 
herderdude said:
Looks like it was all judges' pens down when you turned around, man. Very impressive. What's competition day like onstage and backstage between the competitors? Do you guys keep to yourselves, shyt talk, help out? I always wondered and I'm sure it's a combo of all of those things. How do you approach the big day?
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It's tense backstage. Everyone is cranky and on edge. For me I'm pretty calm and just relax. There's always the guys who go around and ask what weight everyone is in trying to see who the competition is. They are just nervous and scared looking for some reassurance or something. I bullsh*t around and stay social, confidence is key. If your confident then you will start psyching guys out lol. I like to **** with them and let everyone start their pump up routine. I will be the last to take my sweats of and start flexing my legs. When they look I just smile at em. Actual sh*t talking no not really that extremely unprofessional besides you have no idea what would happen if you **** talk a dehydrated roided out bodybuilder haha.

I guess going onstage can be nervous but not for me. I was an athlete growing up so wrestling or playing ball in front of hundreds of people didn't bother me so this doesn't either. It's fun for me.
 
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DangerDave said:
It's tense backstage. Everyone is cranky and on edge. For me I'm pretty calm and just relax. There's always the guys who go around and ask what weight everyone is in trying to see who the competition is. They are just nervous and scared looking for some reassurance or something. I bullsh*t around and stay social, confidence is key. If your confident then you will start psyching guys out lol. I like to **** with them and let everyone start their pump up routine. I will be the last to take my sweats of and start flexing my legs. When they look I just smile at em. Actual sh*t talking no not really that extremely unprofessional besides you have no idea what would happen if you **** talk a dehydrated roided out bodybuilder haha.

I guess going onstage can be nervous but not for me. I was an athlete growing up so wrestling or playing ball in front of hundreds of people didn't bother me so this doesn't either. It's fun for me.
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Completely opposite from the show I did. Everybody was super friendly backstage, sharing food, Chopin it up and relaxed.
 
tyga tyga said:
Completely opposite from the show I did. Everybody was super friendly backstage, sharing food, Chopin it up and relaxed.
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Yeah I have been to shows that were like that. This show I knew a few guys and we just chilled around my big fan and shot the sh*t. My training partner competed and killed it in the middleweights he also took 1st in both shows. You can tell the seasoned guys backstage. They are calm and usually relaxing with each other. It's the new guys or immature ones that act a fool.

I make it a point during the other classes prejudging to go talk them up while they pump up and fist bump them all and throw compliments out as they walk into the stage. Some guys do get nervous and that can help them and it makes me feel good. I enjoy the positive energy and atmosphere you can build up like that. It's crazy how tense it can be or how intense it can get in a good way.
 
NattyForLife said:
Could be posing! Like i said earlier, Daves posing was light years past the competitors! Good job dave!
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I came far with my posing this year. I was coached on posing by a guy whose been bodybuilding and in the scene for 37 years. He sees something and took me and my training partner under his wing these last few weeks. He did it all without asking to be paid and did it all in his off time. I'm pretty grateful for that. He was actually presented an award at the show by a few of the IFBB pros he has helped. He introduced me to a few of the judges, promoter and a coach that all have an interest in me. Guess I have some sort of "potential" haha. I just like to lift, eat and win. That's what it comes down to. But they want me 10-15lbs heavier next year and get me to nationals.
 
So little update.. I decided to not take a break from gear. I'm going to utilize these next 6 weeks of rebound growth with very high aas doses. I'm keeping it simple. 1g of sust a week for the next 6 weeks, Nolva 20mg Ed for hdl/ldl control, exemestane 12.5mg Ed, 6iu GH Ed, 3iu slin post wo. Nothing crazy but enough to put the calories I'm consuming away and make me very anabolic. I also ran t3 for the last 5 weeks of my cut so I'm tapering down to 25mcg and running that the whole rebound also.
 
DangerDave said:
So little update.. I decided to not take a break from gear. I'm going to utilize these next 6 weeks of rebound growth with very high aas doses. I'm keeping it simple. 1g of sust a week for the next 6 weeks, Nolva 20mg Ed for hdl/ldl control, exemestane 12.5mg Ed, 6iu GH Ed, 3iu slin post wo. Nothing crazy but enough to put the calories I'm consuming away and make me very anabolic. I also ran t3 for the last 5 weeks of my cut so I'm tapering down to 25mcg and running that the whole rebound also.
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Are you going to slowly ramp up calories throughout the 6 weeks or just make a big jump in calories now?
 
rascal14 said:
Are you going to slowly ramp up calories throughout the 6 weeks or just make a big jump in calories now?
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Big jump now. The big thing I watch is to not overeat. I keep it semi clean and if my carbs are high keep fat low. Eat every 2.5-3hrs consistent and no carbs within 2hrs of bed. I don't crave crazy food or anything. I like icecream now and then or cookies but I mostly crave steak, seafood and I LOOOOVE pizza. I get the gluten free meat lovers with extra meat then add more at home from Papa Murphys (it's a take and bake pizza place). After the 6 weeks I will go clean diet and bring them down. Mainly now I'm trying to take advantage of the fact my body will absorb just about anything because it wants to grow. It was pretty much a drag car spinning tired at the start line for the whole prep. Now that I feed it then it finally got the traction to grow.
 
DangerDave said:
So little update.. I decided to not take a break from gear. I'm going to utilize these next 6 weeks of rebound growth with very high aas doses. I'm keeping it simple. 1g of sust a week for the next 6 weeks, Nolva 20mg Ed for hdl/ldl control, exemestane 12.5mg Ed, 6iu GH Ed, 3iu slin post wo. Nothing crazy but enough to put the calories I'm consuming away and make me very anabolic. I also ran t3 for the last 5 weeks of my cut so I'm tapering down to 25mcg and running that the whole rebound also.
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Do you run t3 for long periods of time? I've heard that thyroid recovery is pretty quick so long as you do an appropriate taper, so that would make me think that it would be reasonable to expect only a short "down" time after fully coming off (like a few days-a week)
 
booneman77 said:
Do you run t3 for long periods of time? I've heard that thyroid recovery is pretty quick so long as you do an appropriate taper, so that would make me think that it would be reasonable to expect only a short "down" time after fully coming off (like a few days-a week)
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This is my first long run of t3. Overall it will be close to 14 weeks. From my research as long as you don't fry it with super high doses or just come off cold turkey rebound isn't an issue. I use pharma grade name brand cytomel for the extra security knowing it's good. I had bloodwork done mid cycle around week 4-5 and thyroid function was down (prolly from GH, tren and slin use) and I couldn't take a break so I started t3 and my function is stooooopid now. So I'm experimenting now. If I fry my thyroid oh well I can do a pct style recovery and restart it or just buy a year supply of t3 lol and be in it for long term. Regardless bursts of GH, slin and aas aren't stopping so I'm gunna be using it regardless here and there over the years. Most pros and high level guys don't come off for months. They taper up and down. 30 25mcg tabs of brand cytomel is only like $20 so whatever, that's not even 1 week of GH cost lol
 
Side note... I continue to get bloodwork monthly so my health is monitored so that I know the risk to reward ratio of what I'm doing to my body. I'm not out there just slamming as much gear as I can. There is a lot of science and monitoring that goes into the doses and what I'm taking. It's the only way to ensure I truly don't put myself in the hospital or 6 feet under. Either way if it ****s me up I know it's a chance. I would rather live 30 years as a fukin LION than 70 years as a b^tch a$$ sheep.
 
Some questions and thoughts for you, DD:

I love pizza too. Seriously, if I had to pick one crappy food forever, I think it'd be that.

How many mcg do you think you average over this 14wk use of T3, and what's the peak dosage?

I've read a lot of RC T3 is very iffy, because it goes bad surprisingly quick and is bunk/underdosed often. Is pharm grade orderable from a UGL, or is that usually just through connections from guys in the know, hypothetically speaking.

It's my understanding that excess (or excessively low) estrogen levels contribute to really sh*tty cholesterol profiles while on. As Nolva is purely a receptor blocker in the chest, and shouldn't really affect systemic e2 levels, how would that help LDL/HDL? If anything, seems like the Exem would be the only thing helping manage that, and Nolva is purely to curtail gyno growth?
 
rascal14 said:
Pizza is the worlds best food right next to ice cream.
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Agreed. I eat pizza 1-2x per week and I keep a freezer stocked with Ben and Jerrys pints. I have 1 pint every couple days easy
 
Hyde said:
Some questions and thoughts for you, DD:

I love pizza too. Seriously, if I had to pick one crappy food forever, I think it'd be that.

How many mcg do you think you average over this 14wk use of T3, and what's the peak dosage?

I've read a lot of RC T3 is very iffy, because it goes bad surprisingly quick and is bunk/underdosed often. Is pharm grade orderable from a UGL, or is that usually just through connections from guys in the know, hypothetically speaking.

It's my understanding that excess (or excessively low) estrogen levels contribute to really sh*tty cholesterol profiles while on. As Nolva is purely a receptor blocker in the chest, and shouldn't really affect systemic e2 levels, how would that help LDL/HDL? If anything, seems like the Exem would be the only thing helping manage that, and Nolva is purely to curtail gyno growth?
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I will look up the research on Nolva. My guy who is helping me design my offseason says it helps. He talked about the research and since he is an actual endocrinologist... I believe him lol. I meet with him tomorrow and I will get back to you.

As for the T3.. I refuse to use research **** or UGL. It's my thyroid and it's not like if you take bad stuff it can just be fixed real quick like if you get under dosed gear. I start at 25mcg and bump every 5ish days by 25mcg. I take it in the morning right before I eat. I peak it at 100mcg and no higher. But honestly 75mcg feels the best for me. I stay at that dose for about 2-3 weeks then taper back down at the same interval I came up at. After a few weeks at 25mcg I come back up. On my final way down I taper is all the way down to 12.5mcg at the lowest for 7 days then stop. Now when I taper down and come off its very important to monitor your bodyfat and hunger levels. Fast gaining bodyfat am rebound and no hunger is a sign you overworked your thyroid and need to get back on or taper down lower to 6.25mcg as well as adding t4 into the rotation as well.
 
I recently found Papa Murphys where I moved too recently, it's really good. I prefer Mellow Mushroom with everything jerk chicken on it.
 
emantest said:
I recently found Papa Murphys where I moved too recently, it's really good. I prefer Mellow Mushroom with everything jerk chicken on it.
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Best place ever. It's cheap and it's awesome man. The Chicago stuffed crust and Cowboy pizza are fukin amazing beyond words
 
Please do let me know if you can find out more on the Nolva/cholesterol relationship! I'd take real world anecdotes in blood over what some bs study claims - if it's working, it f*cking works, I say. Perhaps bring up Raloxifene for the same purpose if you have a chance w/ him?

As for Papa Murphy's.....I guess the concept of paying and picking up a pizza I still have to cook is kind of weird to me...like, why wouldn't I just buy a frozen pizza at the grocery store?
 
Hyde said:
Please do let me know if you can find out more on the Nolva/cholesterol relationship! I'd take real world anecdotes in blood over what some bs study claims - if it's working, it f*cking works, I say. Perhaps bring up Raloxifene for the same purpose if you have a chance w/ him?

As for Papa Murphy's.....I guess the concept of paying and picking up a pizza I still have to cook is kind of weird to me...like, why wouldn't I just buy a frozen pizza at the grocery store?
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Will do man. We meet tomorrow. It had to do with how it binds to estrogen and your body processes the estrogen out. There is some correlation between estro production and cholesterol that it effects as your body tried to reaches homeostasis. I will bring up the rolox also
 
Hyde said:
As for Papa Murphy's.....I guess the concept of paying and picking up a pizza I still have to cook is kind of weird to me...like, why wouldn't I just buy a frozen pizza at the grocery store?
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Cause frozen pizza is like a frozen burger patty vs a homemade one. But i do see your point.
 
wasme said:
Cause frozen pizza is like a frozen burger patty vs a homemade one. But i do see your point.
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Agree. I like papa Murphys because I can grab a pizza and bake it when I want that day exactly how I like my pizza. They are cheaper with more toppings. I personally think they taste better. Plus the girl that works there wants me so she adds extra for me or gives me free stuff lol.
 
DangerDave said:
Use it mid cycle starting week 4 till 2 weeks before you stop. 250 e3d all the way through
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DD thoughts on HCG just to retain ball size? Buddy of mine, who is on hrt pellets every few months wants scrotal size back. Just dose 250 e3d? He is about to do a big 16 week pin/oral on top of the pellets.
 
emantest said:
DD thoughts on HCG just to retain ball size? Buddy of mine, who is on hrt pellets every few months wants scrotal size back. Just dose 250 e3d? He is about to do a big 16 week pin/oral on top of the pellets.
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Yeah I do 250iu Tuesday/ Friday. It's active for about 5 days so that split works fine for me. That should bring back some ball size in about 3-4weeks and retain it afterwards.
 
First off SD congrats on the win man! That's awesome **** right there! Not surprising really though you look insane! Not to mention the package you brought outshone the others by far from the pics! Bigger, leaner, better posing, sounds like you had the complete package. Now after all this pizza talk I think I'm going to go buy one! It is deadlift day after all.
 
Lukef2000 said:
First off SD congrats on the win man! That's awesome **** right there! Not surprising really though you look insane! Not to mention the package you brought outshone the others by far from the pics! Bigger, leaner, better posing, sounds like you had the complete package. Now after all this pizza talk I think I'm going to go buy one! It is deadlift day after all.
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That's how I justified eating my pizza too. I did back and legs in one workout and I swam a little afterwards so I told myself my body needed it.. Lol
 
Hyde said:
Please do let me know if you can find out more on the Nolva/cholesterol relationship! I'd take real world anecdotes in blood over what some bs study claims - if it's working, it f*cking works, I say. Perhaps bring up Raloxifene for the same purpose if you have a chance w/ him?

As for Papa Murphy's.....I guess the concept of paying and picking up a pizza I still have to cook is kind of weird to me...like, why wouldn't I just buy a frozen pizza at the grocery store?
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Ok bro.. Here is the info on how Tamox can have a positive effect on cholesterol long term..... Tamoxifen and toremifene inhibit the conversion of delta 8-cholestenol to lathosterol so that serum total and LDL cholesterol levels are lowered by downregulation of cholesterol synthesis. Thus, inhibition of the delta 8-isomerase may be the major hypolipidemic effect of these agents. Reduced risk of coronary artery disease will probably occur also during long-term toremifene treatment, because the drug reduces cholesterol and its synthesis, similarly to tamoxifen.

These effects happen over months of treatment of course it's no instant thing that happens over a 6 week pct. but it works and is proven with enough evidence and support as well as this guy swearing on it that I will be running it long term at a low dose
 
So you're going to basically run nolva indefinitely, or just 20mg/ed while on the blast for a few months? Also, did he shed any insight as to his thoughts on exemestane's effect on lipid profile (or letro or anastrazole, for that matter)? Sounds like they're bad for it, but sky high or crushed estro is worse, but I don't know much else other than anastrazole anecdotally is the least offender.
 
Hyde said:
So you're going to basically run nolva indefinitely, or just 20mg/ed while on the blast for a few months? Also, did he shed any insight as to his thoughts on exemestane's effect on lipid profile (or letro or anastrazole, for that matter)? Sounds like they're bad for it, but sky high or crushed estro is worse, but I don't know much else other than anastrazole anecdotally is the least offender.
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He would have me run Nolva 20mg eod indefinitely until he sees a few months worth of bloodwork. As far as the AIs he only sees a point in running them during a blast and prefers Exemestane over the other 2. Now during the last few weeks of a prep that's a whole different story because test gets dropped and you bring estrogen down to nothing with letro. During cycle he doesn't believe in bumping exemestane and would rather use a low dose of adex to combat a flare up but in his protocols he said that's unusual due to Nolva and exemestane being present unless the person is estro sensitive.
 
DangerDave said:
He would have me run Nolva 20mg eod indefinitely until he sees a few months worth of bloodwork. As far as the AIs he only sees a point in running them during a blast and prefers Exemestane over the other 2. Now during the last few weeks of a prep that's a whole different story because test gets dropped and you bring estrogen down to nothing with letro. During cycle he doesn't believe in bumping exemestane and would rather use a low dose of adex to combat a flare up but in his protocols he said that's unusual due to Nolva and exemestane being present unless the person is estro sensitive.
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So like me, basically lol. Good to know. My bodyfat is also tremendously higher than yours, which upregulates estro activity or sensitivity I know (can't remember which). It is what it is, but it's something to account for coupled with my sensitivity.
 
I've been following this thread for a while now. There is a lot of great information and knowledge in here.

Dave, congrats on your win; you deserved it.

Pizza is King.
 
DangerDave said:
Ok bro.. Here is the info on how Tamox can have a positive effect on cholesterol long term..... Tamoxifen and toremifene inhibit the conversion of delta 8-cholestenol to lathosterol so that serum total and LDL cholesterol levels are lowered by downregulation of cholesterol synthesis. Thus, inhibition of the delta 8-isomerase may be the major hypolipidemic effect of these agents. Reduced risk of coronary artery disease will probably occur also during long-term toremifene treatment, because the drug reduces cholesterol and its synthesis, similarly to tamoxifen.

These effects happen over months of treatment of course it's no instant thing that happens over a 6 week pct. but it works and is proven with enough evidence and support as well as this guy swearing on it that I will be running it long term at a low dose
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Also causes rapid fluctuations of cholesterol which lead to gall and kidney stones which is why a ton of people opt for something else as a long term solution. This is why Olympians use statins.
 
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