There are a few things I would like to address on the topic of Amentoflavone before answering the questions below.
1) We were not the first to release Amentoflavone. It was on the market for nearly a year before we used it. In fact, the only reason we even made the product AmentoMax was because you guys, the consumers, kept on asking for it to be made in a bulk capsule. Analyzed Supplements products are formulated for the consumer. If you ask for it enough, you will get it, and that's why AmentoMax was created. This has resulted in knock-offs of AmentoMax, and Amentoflavone being used in multiple products. Not because PES used it, but because of the overwhelming feedback
2) Amentoflavone was used in Norcodrene for its mood enhancing benefits. Not just because of what data says, but because when we actually added Amentoflavone to the formula there was a very noticeable difference. That is why Norcodrene gets so much positive feedback on its feel and mood
3) We recently added Amentoflavone to High Volume because after AmentoMax has been on the market for some time, the anecdotal feedback from
unbiased users on this forum, other forums, and the world much larger outside of the forums was undeniable
4) To say that we did not do our research before releasing a product is just silly. The exact reason that PES is the focus of the Amentoflavone argument and not the other brands that are selling the ingredient are because we are the company who spent the time to show the research and educate. The study that No Hype keeps posting is from November 21, 2014
5) We use a 20% extract of Amentoflavone. Amentoflavone is also noted as being the best anxiolytic compound in another very popular extract, St Johns Wort, which has been used for over a decade for its "mood benefits".
6) We do not mind a good scientific discussion...but not everyone has time to repeat themselves over and over. This topic has already been discussed
I feel like coop has been saying positive things about amentoflavone since before he has been working with PES, and definitely before they had any products with it.
That is correct, yes.
Supposedly Uncut is getting discontinued, although I don't know why, still one of the best stims I've ever tried, can't see anything wrong with the formula.
I believe it is just being reformulated
Just curious will bens post defending the whole sister company thing be the only PES input this thread will get then?
I'm not having a go or saying you guys need to but PES have really brought Amento into the spotlight so it would be nice to take part in the discussion.
Just to add, I never really notice strength gains with products so I can't comment on that as I'm not sure the extra rep I pushed out would have happened without the product or not. but as for the feel good feeling some guys seem to get I have never felt it from Norcodrene or High volume. Both good products for other reasons though.
Hopefully this post is sufficient. People will buy ingredients that help them. Its pretty simple. People have been using this ingredient for almost 2 years now with success. In fact one of the biggest things I hear about people taking Amentoflavone is how big of a different they feel when they stop taking it.
Wait, is the general consensus in this thread that amentoflavone doesn't acutely cause acute strength increases like caffeine does?
I dont think that is the general consensus, no.
Can we get Mr Cooper in here to address this?
He has already addressed it multiple times over. It is an argument that will cycle around like a clock at this point. To each their own how they view the subject and the science
Speaking of Anabeta, is there a chance it's bunk?
No.
AnaBeta is a product, containing an herb anacyclus. Amentoflavone is a molecule