BEST (natural) PCT . . .

mykeylykey

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Curious what PCT program has given peeps best results.

Here's what's worked for me . . .


NUTRIENTS

zinc by quest 25mg 3x daily
magnesium by quest 500mg 3x daily


SUPPLEMENTS

tribestan by sopharma 1000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
daa by primaforce 3000-5000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
novedex xt by gaspari 1 cap 2x daily MAX [usually empty-out 1/4-1/3 cap] (anti-estrogen)
ALTERNATE W/
erase by pes1 cap 2x daily MAX (anti-estrogen)
activate extreme by ds 4-6 caps 2-3 daily (free-up bound test)
dhea by champion nutrition 50mg x2 daily MAX


BOTANICALS

avena sativa by gaia [wild oats] 2x daily (boost test)
stinging nettle by gaia 2x daily (free-up bound test)
maca by NOW 500mg 2x daily
damiana by NOW 500mg x2 daily
muira puama by NOW 500mg x2 daily


DIET

steak
eggs
pork
cheese
chicken

basically any protein source with cholesterol (building block of test) in moderation . . .

cheers,
mykey
 
SERM.

sns DAA, reduce xt, creatine mono.

<Good dieting/eating enough, training hard, and refusing to get small.
 
Nolva, OTC pct, ultra male rx as simple as that worked well for me. Theres a lot you can do with pct. The main thing is a serm of course.
 
mykeylykey said:
Curious what PCT program has given peeps best results.

Here's what's worked for me . . .

NUTRIENTS

zinc by quest 25mg 3x daily
magnesium by quest 500mg 3x daily

SUPPLEMENTS

tribestan by sopharma 1000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
daa by primaforce 3000-5000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
novedex xt by gaspari 1 cap 2x daily MAX [usually empty-out 1/4-1/3 cap] (anti-estrogen)
ALTERNATE W/
erase by pes1 cap 2x daily MAX (anti-estrogen)
activate extreme by ds 4-6 caps 2-3 daily (free-up bound test)
dhea by champion nutrition 50mg x2 daily MAX

BOTANICALS

avena sativa by gaia [wild oats] 2x daily (boost test)
stinging nettle by gaia 2x daily (free-up bound test)
maca by NOW 500mg 2x daily
damiana by NOW 500mg x2 daily
muira puama by NOW 500mg x2 daily

DIET

steak
eggs
pork
cheese
chicken

basically any protein source with cholesterol (building block of test) in moderation . . .

cheers,
mykey
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All of that just seems like overkill.

Grab a SERM, an AI potentially (inhibit E would make a good addition) and something like Forskolin.

Some people argue no AI, others argue to use one. I like the use of one at a lower dose
 
I have only run 11-KT and 11-OXO, but I typically do the following:

Alphamax (Forskolin, Arimistane, and some other goodies)
7-Oxo or 7-oh (Sometimes transdermal homebrew, sometimes Reduce XT)
Sodium DAA
SERM

And I think that is probably over-kill. A SERM and Alphamax may be just fine.
 
mykeylykey said:
Curious what PCT program has given peeps best results.

Here's what's worked for me . . .


NUTRIENTS

zinc by quest 25mg 3x daily
magnesium by quest 500mg 3x daily


SUPPLEMENTS

tribestan by sopharma 1000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
daa by primaforce 3000-5000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
novedex xt by gaspari 1 cap 2x daily MAX [usually empty-out 1/4-1/3 cap] (anti-estrogen)
ALTERNATE W/
erase by pes1 cap 2x daily MAX (anti-estrogen)
activate extreme by ds 4-6 caps 2-3 daily (free-up bound test)
dhea by champion nutrition 50mg x2 daily MAX


BOTANICALS

avena sativa by gaia [wild oats] 2x daily (boost test)
stinging nettle by gaia 2x daily (free-up bound test)
maca by NOW 500mg 2x daily
damiana by NOW 500mg x2 daily
muira puama by NOW 500mg x2 daily


DIET

steak
eggs
pork
cheese
chicken

basically any protein source with cholesterol (building block of test) in moderation . . .

cheers,
mykey
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Looks like you just spend twice the money for half the results. People need to wake up and stop trying to cheat the system. Get a SERM and save your hormones down the line. You aren't going to recover forever off some herbs.
 
xhrr said:
Looks like you just spend twice the money for half the results. People need to wake up and stop trying to cheat the system. Get a SERM and save your hormones down the line. You aren't going to recover forever off some herbs.
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Weed is all I need bro
 
mykeylykey said:
Curious what PCT program has given peeps best results.

Here's what's worked for me . . .


NUTRIENTS

zinc by quest 25mg 3x daily
magnesium by quest 500mg 3x daily


SUPPLEMENTS

tribestan by sopharma 1000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
daa by primaforce 3000-5000mg 2-3x daily (boost test)
novedex xt by gaspari 1 cap 2x daily MAX [usually empty-out 1/4-1/3 cap] (anti-estrogen)
ALTERNATE W/
erase by pes1 cap 2x daily MAX (anti-estrogen)
activate extreme by ds 4-6 caps 2-3 daily (free-up bound test)
dhea by champion nutrition 50mg x2 daily MAX


BOTANICALS

avena sativa by gaia [wild oats] 2x daily (boost test)
stinging nettle by gaia 2x daily (free-up bound test)
maca by NOW 500mg 2x daily
damiana by NOW 500mg x2 daily
muira puama by NOW 500mg x2 daily


DIET

steak
eggs
pork
cheese
chicken

basically any protein source with cholesterol (building block of test) in moderation . . .

cheers,
mykey
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Nothing natty about Novedex XT (discontinued btw). It's a steroid that acts as an AI.
 
HIT4ME said:
I have only run 11-KT and 11-OXO, but I typically do the following:

Alphamax (Forskolin, Arimistane, and some other goodies)
7-Oxo or 7-oh (Sometimes transdermal homebrew, sometimes Reduce XT)
Sodium DAA
SERM

And I think that is probably over-kill. A SERM and Alphamax may be just fine.
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I agree, of course depending on the severity of the cycle. Alphamax will help boost total testosterone, increasing Free Testosterone, control estrogen and potentially cortisol and prolactin to a degree, as well as containing 50mg 95% Forksolin which can support increased LBM while also providing essentials like Zinc and D3.
 
Also a good pct i would recommend for you is Post Cycle 3X by Vital Labs. It has a lot of great reviews and a really nice ingredients list. Bulgarian Tribulus Terretris, Trans Resveratrol 50%, Caffeine, Milk Thistle, NAC, ZMA, and more. If you want to check it out we have it over at strongsupplementshop.com.
 
Thanks for the reply's!!!!

Interesting posts about personal supp favs, I'll do my homework, and try some of them out.

Curious . . . everybody seems to be on board about SERM's. Does anybody know any over-the-counter supp's that fall into the 'serm' category. I'm only familiar with AI's . . .

6-oxo by ergopharm (discontinued)
novedex xt by gaspari (discontinued)
erase by PES

One of my main concern's is losing wood! Happy when I'm horny, miserable when I'm not. Limp dick is totally not sexy. That's the reason empty out 1/4-1/3 cap of novedex xt by gaspari ( . . . still have 1 year's supply stashed)


cheers,
mykey
 
mykeylykey said:
Thanks for the reply's!!!!

Interesting posts about personal supp favs, I'll do my homework, and try some of them out.

Curious . . . everybody seems to be on board about SERM's. Does anybody know any over-the-counter supp's that fall into the 'serm' category. I'm only familiar with AI's . . .

6-oxo by ergopharm (discontinued)
novedex xt by gaspari (discontinued)
erase by PES

One of my main concern's is losing wood! Happy when I'm horny, miserable when I'm not. Limp dick is totally not sexy. That's the reason empty out 1/4-1/3 cap of novedex xt by gaspari ( . . . still have 1 year's supply stashed)

cheers,
mykey
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Elimistane has a natural SERM in it (e cottonii)

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jimbuick said:
Elimistane has a natural SERM in it (e cottonii)

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I don't see how that can be considered a SERM. It's downregulating estrogen. That's not really modulating the receptor and it's certainly not doing what a SERM is doing and used for in PCT. We want to send signals to the body that we have an excess of estrogen in order to coerce it into kicking test production into high gear thus aiding us in PCT to get things back to homeostasis.
 
kissdadookie said:
I don't see how that can be considered a SERM. It's downregulating estrogen. That's not really modulating the receptor and it's certainly not doing what a SERM is doing and used for in PCT. We want to send signals to the body that we have an excess of estrogen in order to coerce it into kicking test production into high gear thus aiding us in PCT to get things back to homeostasis.
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Straight from the write up in that link:


E.Cottonii Extract 10:1 400mg

This relatively unheard of and underutilized ingredient is exactly what BPS is known for bringing our loyal fan base, the absolute pinnacle in scientific innovation. This is perhaps the single most compelling natural ingredient on the marketplace today, as it was able to outperform the popular SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) tamoxifen in a rat study for suppressing breast tumor growth. Furthermore, it did not show the liver or kidney toxicity of tamoxifen (2). Based on the scientific data, this polyphenol rich, heart-healthy and cancer fighting edible red seaweed extract is THE most exciting natural estrogen control ingredient available today and is only found in ELIMISTANE.

Edit: I am aware of the fact that other ingredients will reduce estrogen, and for some people this may not be what they want. But, many people do like to use AIs along with SERMs during their PCT; and for those people I think elimistane will be hard to beat. Am I going to sit here and tell you that elimistane can replace nolva or clomid in PCT? No, I will not. But if someone is going to go with a completely natural PCT, elimistane is very likely the best product for that purpose.
 
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The Spaniard weighs in on E. Cottonii after reading the full text of the study comparing it directly to tamoxifen:

Spaniard said:
You're talking about E Cottonii. There was a study comparing it to Tamoxifen showing quite a bit of promise.

You're looking at it right and the comparison is coming directly from the study of E Cottonii and Tamoxifen. You can't outright say it will perform as well or better than a pharmaceutical as that would be looking for trouble but it looks very promising.

There's a thread floating around here where a company with a competing upcoming "SERM" product said that E Cottonii only looked impressive in the abstract. I'm assuming that the comment was made without thinking that quite a few people around here myself included actually have full text access. Anyways, within the full text E Cottonii looks like it has a TON of potential IMO! Plus, Dsade is a mad genius, if he thinks this one has potential that's enough to get excited about in itself.
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jimbuick said:
Straight from the write up in that link:


E.Cottonii Extract 10:1 400mg

This relatively unheard of and underutilized ingredient is exactly what BPS is known for bringing our loyal fan base, the absolute pinnacle in scientific innovation. This is perhaps the single most compelling natural ingredient on the marketplace today, as it was able to outperform the popular SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) tamoxifen in a rat study for suppressing breast tumor growth. Furthermore, it did not show the liver or kidney toxicity of tamoxifen (2). Based on the scientific data, this polyphenol rich, heart-healthy and cancer fighting edible red seaweed extract is THE most exciting natural estrogen control ingredient available today and is only found in ELIMISTANE.

Edit: I am aware of the fact that other ingredients will reduce estrogen, and for some people this may not be what they want. But, many people do like to use AIs along with SERMs during their PCT; and for those people I think elimistane will be hard to beat. Am I going to sit here and tell you that elimistane can replace nolva or clomid in PCT? No, I will not. But if someone is going to go with a completely natural PCT, elimistane is very likely the best product for that purpose.
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Still not a SERM. Tamox works on breast cancer differently from e cottonni. One acts as an estrogen whilst the other lowers estrogen levels. For PCT, we actually do
want the body to think we have higher estrogen levels so that it can signal the balls to spit out more test (as our problem here is that our balls have essentially stopped producing test).

Looks promising for lowering estrogen though which of course is desired many a times in PCT. Used in conjunction with a SERM might be good, calling it a SERM however is just treading dangerously as that is planting the idea that it can replace a SERM in PCT. Anti-estrogen would be more suitable as a descriptor.
 
I see no one bothered to read the full text :D. E cottoni is an antioxidant, and a powerful one. Cancer cells grow in a pro-oxidative environment. If you read the discussion section of the full text, the entire thing talks about the mechanism of action for how E. Cottoni stops breast cancer growth: by acting as an antioxidant. This effect will, of course, be specific to tumor growth and cancer
 
Inhibit E will be great addition ;)
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I see no one bothered to read the full text :D. E cottoni is an antioxidant, and a powerful one. Cancer cells grow in a pro-oxidative environment. If you read the discussion section of the full text, the entire thing talks about the mechanism of action for how E. Cottoni stops breast cancer growth: by acting as an antioxidant. This effect will, of course, be specific to tumor growth and cancer
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lets not undervalue antioxidants, after all epicatechin is a antioxident and it seems to be good for a number of things outside the box!!! things the science guys seem to be at odds as to why...

i trust that matt [dsade] knew what he was doing when he included it!!!
 
thebigt said:
lets not undervalue antioxidants, after all epicatechin is a antioxident and it seems to be good for a number of things outside the box!!! things the science guys seem to be at odds as to why...

i trust that matt [dsade] knew what he was doing when he included it!!!
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It should not replace a true SERM in any way, shape or form
 
fightbackhxc said:
Inhibit E will be great addition ;)
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Maybe the new one but ATD in PCT would not be something I would ever include. It's an anti-androgen, not something you exactly would want when your androgens are already low following the cessation of exogenous ones.
 
Jiigzz said:
It should not replace a true SERM in any way, shape or form
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Word, that's why I find an issue with calling it a SERM or even insinuating it being SERM-like. It's likely a nice optional addition to PCT but most certainly should not be one of the staple basics for PCT.
 
In all fairness bigt did say Serm+elimistane for pct. I don't think he was ever recommending it in place of a true Serm.
 
xhrr said:
In all fairness bigt did say Serm+elimistane for pct. I don't think he was ever recommending it in place of a true Serm.
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That was in a later post :) Initial post would appear different if someone just stops reading after that one ;)

You know how kids are, they see the keyword and then go on autopilot.
 
xhrr said:
Maybe the new one but ATD in PCT would not be something I would ever include. It's an anti-androgen, not something you exactly would want when your androgens are already low following the cessation of exogenous ones.
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You can't even find ATD anymore.
 
HIT4ME said:
I have only run 11-KT and 11-OXO, but I typically do the following:

Alphamax (Forskolin, Arimistane, and some other goodies)
7-Oxo or 7-oh (Sometimes transdermal homebrew, sometimes Reduce XT)
Sodium DAA
SERM

And I think that is probably over-kill. A SERM and Alphamax may be just fine.
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You do not need a SERM for 11oxo /11KT ;)
 
mw1 said:
You do not need a SERM for 11oxo /11KT ;)
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Probably not.....but I use it in large doses...1 gram 11-Oxo per day and up to 4 ML/day on the 11-KT. I just figured...better safe than sorry.
 
Jiigzz said:
Nope but people might start thinking it would do
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people MIGHT start thinking a lot of things, lol


like thinking drinking a quart of jack while pregnant is ok....they had to put a disclaimer on label because a woman sued when her baby was born with defects.

or thinking spilling macdonalds coffee on your lap while driving won't burn you...yup a guy sued macdonalds because of this, now they have a disclaimer....


in short...you can't protect stupid people from themselves!!!!
 
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