I'll have to hit you up once I get to 250 postsIf any one is interested we are offering free pre workout formulas in return for a log.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/259707-menace-nutrition-loggers.html
I'll have to hit you up once I get to 250 postsIf any one is interested we are offering free pre workout formulas in return for a log.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/259707-menace-nutrition-loggers.html
I second this motion. Our preworkout Frenzy is a very solid choice. Check out the profile:If any one is interested we are offering free pre workout formulas in return for a log.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/259707-menace-nutrition-loggers.html
Nothing wrong with a good pump. I enjoy it too, but I prefer what you explained; focus and energy transferring to lifting harder and longer:Angel Dust original was one of the best products ever IMO..it was great.
Seems like alot of guys here want the "pump" out of their preworkout..maybe I misunderstood..when I get a preworkout, I want performance. I want to train harder, longer and stronger and have an energy and focus boost. A pump that is too extreme or a spike in blood pressure is not a good thing in terms or performance.
Did this thread mean to identify the best preworkout for pumps?? And temporary size gains??
Actually, most pump ingredients improve vasoregulatory function and are well-documented as performance enhancers. NO has also been found to be directly myogenic. Take a gander at the high volume writeup and educate yourselfAngel Dust original was one of the best products ever IMO..it was great.
Seems like alot of guys here want the "pump" out of their preworkout..maybe I misunderstood..when I get a preworkout, I want performance. I want to train harder, longer and stronger and have an energy and focus boost. A pump that is too extreme or a spike in blood pressure is not a good thing in terms or performance.
Did this thread mean to identify the best preworkout for pumps?? And temporary size gains??
No offense but I don't need to "educate" myself. I can and have used products that produce a pump and they eliminate strength from me. When my pump is too intense, I can't even workout anymore, so for "me" and my clients it is "counterproductive". For a bodybuilder only I can see them as definitively necessary but I deal with alot of "Strength" athletes. Also even a crossfitter wouldn't want a pump. A pump negates the ability to continue. I've had calf cramps so bad from NO2..I can't walk. My calf "looked" huge but that doesn't help performance. To each his own, I just believe there is a huge difference between a preworkout for performance and one that solely works off pump is all. I am certainly not the end all and be all of this discussion by any means.Actually, most pump ingredients improve vasoregulatory function and are well-documented as performance enhancers. NO has also been found to be directly myogenic. Take a gander at the high volume writeup and educate yourself
i am happy to see the recent return of glycocarn, but not sure about the amount? i know as a solo ingredient 4.5gm was golden, not sure how much being part of a blend will have on it's effectiveness!!! BUT...aen APE is one of my favorite test boosters and i am sure it is glycocarn that sets it apart from other testofen products i have used, and i doubt if it is dosed very high since the entire prop blend is only 1035mg.I second this motion. Our preworkout Frenzy is a very solid choice. Check out the profile:
i've got a tub of menace-'driven' coming, i've got high expectations, love dem stims!!!!Angel Dust original was one of the best products ever IMO..it was great.
Seems like alot of guys here want the "pump" out of their preworkout..maybe I misunderstood..when I get a preworkout, I want performance. I want to train harder, longer and stronger and have an energy and focus boost. A pump that is too extreme or a spike in blood pressure is not a good thing in terms or performance.
Did this thread mean to identify the best preworkout for pumps?? And temporary size gains??
That's fine for your "belief," but actual clinical evidence shows otherwise. I follow objectivity, not subjectivity.No offense but I don't need to "educate" myself. I can and have used products that produce a pump and they eliminate strength from me. When my pump is too intense, I can't even workout anymore, so for "me" and my clients it is "counterproductive". For a bodybuilder only I can see them as definitively necessary but I deal with alot of "Strength" athletes. Also even a crossfitter wouldn't want a pump. A pump negates the ability to continue. I've had calf cramps so bad from NO2..I can't walk. My calf "looked" huge but that doesn't help performance. To each his own, I just believe there is a huge difference between a preworkout for performance and one that solely works off pump is all. I am certainly not the end all and be all of this discussion by any means.
But maybe I'm wrong and should educate myself ;P ;P
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ingredients on a panel supposed to be listed from highest amount to lowest? If so, how can l-tyrosine be listed before caffeine in the 550 mg driven stim complex if 375 mg of that is caffeine? If the caffeine amount listed is correct, then only 175 mg remains for everything else in that blend.I second this motion. Our preworkout Frenzy is a very solid choice. Check out the profile:
That's news to me.Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ingredients on a panel supposed to be listed from highest amount to lowest?
It certainly should be labeled in such a fashion.Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ingredients on a panel supposed to be listed from highest amount to lowest? If so, how can l-tyrosine be listed before caffeine in the 550 mg driven stim complex if 375 mg of that is caffeine? If the caffeine amount listed is correct, then only 175 mg remains for everything else in that blend.
I will have an answer shortlySomeone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ingredients on a panel supposed to be listed from highest amount to lowest? If so, how can l-tyrosine be listed before caffeine in the 550 mg driven stim complex if 375 mg of that is caffeine? If the caffeine amount listed is correct, then only 175 mg remains for everything else in that blend.
Looks like a good Pre.If any one is interested we are offering free pre workout formulas in return for a log.
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/company-promotions/259707-menace-nutrition-loggers.html
It is and I will send you a bottle if you run a log.Looks like a good Pre.
Thank you. This isn't meant to be an attack on the product or anything. I just really thought that was how ingredients were supposed to be listed in proprietary blends. I've often used that understanding to estimate ingredient dosages in a blend when the dosage for one of the items (like caffeine) is provided...based on its position in the blend label. Therefore, I would definitely like to know if my understanding of proprietary blend labeling is incorrect.I will have an answer shortly
I want to double check with our legal team. I personally believe that if the caffeine mg weight is listed, it can be anywhere in the blend. Also, this is a 3d rendering before the labels actually went to print, if you notice on Growth Factor, the Arasyn™ trademark isn't on there either but it's on the actual bottle on shelves.Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ingredients on a panel supposed to be listed from highest amount to lowest? If so, how can l-tyrosine be listed before caffeine in the 550 mg driven stim complex if 375 mg of that is caffeine? If the caffeine amount listed is correct, then only 175 mg remains for everything else in that blend.
Not an attack at all, that's why we're here. The design team makes mistakes all the time! If I'm incorrect, it's something that will be fixed immediately of course.Thank you. This isn't meant to be an attack on the product or anything. I just really thought that was how ingredients were supposed to be listed in proprietary blends. I've often used that understanding to estimate ingredient dosages in a blend when the dosage for one of the items (like caffeine) is provided...based on its position in the blend label. Therefore, I would definitely like to know if my understanding of proprietary blend labeling is incorrect.
Nice! Its good to see a company willing to accept feedback.Not an attack at all, that's why we're here. The design team makes mistakes all the time! If I'm incorrect, it's something that will be fixed immediately of course.
I agree.As soon as some of these logs start rolling (mine included) let the results speak for themselves.
Jip can get it big law suit over stuff like this , good eye manSomeone please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't ingredients on a panel supposed to be listed from highest amount to lowest? If so, how can l-tyrosine be listed before caffeine in the 550 mg driven stim complex if 375 mg of that is caffeine? If the caffeine amount listed is correct, then only 175 mg remains for everything else in that blend.
Son of a $#@%&! If that's true, then how am I supposed to crack the code of these proprietary blends?Ingredients should be listed by weight from the most to the least. That is an FDA rule though and I don't believe supplement companies are bound by it.
Any nutritional label follows the same rules , like they also cant make claims that it will cure a disease or something like that , they must also list sodium, calories, cals from fat etc,,,Ingredients should be listed by weight from the most to the least. That is an FDA rule though and I don't believe supplement companies are bound by it.
Lol, it's all good discussion.Dang, I sure derailed this thread. Sorry OP.
as close to legal crack as you can get!!!What do you guys like in a pre? Stim, Pump, Focus? All of the above?
Nice. Thinking about releasing a stim free Nootropic/Pump powder. Unflavored and one common flavor so stim-heads can mixDefinitely nootropic + pump.
Ooh I like that! That way users can mix it if they want with their favorite/routine stimmed pre-workouts. Nice!Nice. Thinking about releasing a stim free Nootropic/Pump powder. Unflavored and one common flavor so stim-heads can mix
Core Fury is a pretty good formula with Noots + Agmatine for pumps.Definitely nootropic + pump.
I've never gotten a good pump from agmatine and I've tried every dosage possible pre workout: from 250mg all the way to 2grams. Nada. I just stick to nitrates if I'm going DIY. I like it as an anxiolytic, though.Core Fury is a pretty good formula with Noots + Agmatine for pumps.
L-citrulline works good for me ,, but it is said. That caffein will interfere with a ''pump'' product because it causes vasoconstrictionI've never gotten a good pump from agmatine and I've tried every dosage possible pre workout: from 250mg all the way to 2grams. Nada. I just stick to nitrates if I'm going DIY. I like it as an anxiolytic, though.
It's my understanding that caffeine is a vasodilator in skeletal muscle tissue, especially during exercise.L-citrulline works good for me ,, but it is said. That caffein will interfere with a ''pump'' product because it causes vasoconstriction
What he said below:L-citrulline works good for me ,, but it is said. That caffein will interfere with a ''pump'' product because it causes vasoconstriction
It won't cause issues.It's my understanding that caffeine is a vasodilator in skeletal muscle tissue, especially during exercise.
Try VPX White Heat and let me know how it works:yikes:.as close to legal crack as you can get!!!
yeah white heat is some powerful stuff for sure. 400mg of caffeine, amp, y=intense.Try VPX White Heat and let me know how it works:yikes:.
No. It's a vasodilator in skeletal muscle, it's a vasoconstrictor in brain tissueThis is were I get a little confused , they say that its normaly avasoconstrictor. , but when you exercise intensly it becomes a vasodilator,, but intens exercise causes vasodilation so isnt it the exercise and not the caffein that is causing the vasodilation?
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