I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

[muscleupcrohn]

Kis are you suggesting to stack PA with hmb-fa? If so, 2bottles of CM and 2 of PA worth a shot? Since CM are designnto run for 12weeks. I plan to runnit for 8weeks. I cant afford to do it for 12weeks lol. Is that ok for starter? Plan to bulk up this season.

I can't speak for kdd, but I'd say that it's a great stack, assuming your training protocol is set up to take advantage of what HMB-FA can do in terms of recovery. I know that myself, kdd, and bradandblake all logged the combo on another forum with solid results. Looking back at blake's log, it sees like his training protocol was pretty similar to mine in that we both hit each muscle group 2x per week with a lot of volume.

KDD, what does your training protocol look like in terms of frequency and volume, I forgot?

I'd say that if you're not going to alter your training protocol to take advantage of HMB-FA, then it's probably not worth buying, as you likely won't notice much, and it'll cost a good bit of money. With that said, I'd say that PA is worth at least trying for 4-8 weeks even if you do not change anything in regards to training. As for giving the combo an 8 week run, that should be plenty of time to notice some solid gains, in my opinion anyway.

 

[thescience]

I also experienced weight gain in the first few weeks of supplementing with PA. Here's my weight gain since starting it (total weight increase since starting PA, of course):

3 Weeks: +2.0lbs
4 Weeks: +5.0lbs
5 Weeks: +5.8lbs
7 Weeks: +5.0lbs

My diet has been essentially the same throughout the past 7 weeks; a bit over maintenance. Like kdd, I'm also running PA with HMB-FA.

At the 7 week point, chest and leg measurements are up 1/4" each, waist is down 1/4", and calves are up 1/2", although they're still a weak point of mine. I've made some good strength gains as well.

holy crap. are you saying youve gained 17+ lbs so far?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

holy crap. are you saying youve gained 17+ lbs so far?

No. I was worried that I wasn't clear enough about that. Those numbers are the cumulative weight gains since starting PA (2 pounds total after 3 weeks, 5 pounds total after 4 weeks, etc...). Still, I'm pleased with 5lbs in 7 weeks.

 

[fightnews]

Ok, this may also probably be the 3rd time I'm going to say it again, so here goes at risk of sounding like a broken record:

I did not introduce HMB-FA/CM until about the start of the 3rd bottle of Micro-PA. That means I was on PA for about 40 days straight prior. It would have made NO SENSE to take out the PA when logging HMB-FA/CM because if I did that, it would not give a good representation of what HMB-FA/CM may bring to the table since taking out the PA would have been introducing a major secondary variable (with the first major variable being the HMB-FA/CM itself).

When you want to gauge if something new you introduce is doing something or not, you should not start removing stuff you have been on for a while already as that tosses major variables into the equation. If you are going to take stuff out, IMO you should take stuff out AND give yourself 30 days or so being off of whatever you have taken out as a wash out period.

You don't say?

 

[kissdadookie]

thanks for the info about the weight gain in the first 20 days. i remember you mentioning additional hunger when starting PA; am i correct in understanding you didnt eat more during that time then? i dont recall reading anything about your maintenence/below so you mustve said it during a period where i had tuned out of the thread. anyway, thanks for repeating yourself

I kept my calories at and sometimes slightly below maintenance

No problem

KDD, what does your training protocol look like in terms of frequency and volume, I forgot?

Essentially what you saw in my log. I actually had to cut back a day and replace it with a no gym day. My joints essentially immediately felt a WHOLE lot better after that. That's the problem with joints, they don't recover as quickly as muscles.

 

[alvin1]

no i meant I just order it lol, i woulb not order you to do so lol, 24 $ 2 bags ship to canada

receiveb them tonight, once log its over will test it out!

 

[changemyoil66]

Damn KD bought 7 botles of Micro-PA and 4 bottles of King when he could have gotten Fearn SL for $10.

 

[Touey]

Damn KD bought 7 botles of Micro-PA and 4 bottles of King when he could have gotten Fearn SL for $10.

yeah but he's got all those medals since I've checked this thread last, not that I know what they mean, but I think they look rather brilliant

 

[kissdadookie]

yeah but he's got all those medals since I've checked this thread last, not that I know what they mean, but I think they look rather brilliant

Lol. Raining badges!

 

[Cheranine]

ok im in on this. Just picked up a cheap bag locally, used 2 tablespoons last night with my defcon 1 pre workout .ok it was for cardio but I have bench tonight so will used again. Not sure what the exact % of PA is as it's not listed but it was an impulse buy.

Will be interesting to see if my lifts increase over the next 12 weeks or so (just finished clear muscle / the trainhard program) especially given Im back to 531.

 

[fightnews]

no medals for me?

 

[kissdadookie]

So, on the bb forum, someone was informed by Dr. Wilson that using soy lecithin as your PA source is good to go. I'mma jump on the regular ole soy lecithin train after I use up all the PA product I have on hand

 

[Swolbraham]

So, on the bb forum, someone was informed by Dr. Wilson that using soy lecithin as your PA source is good to go. I'mma jump on the regular ole soy lecithin train after I use up all the PA product I have on hand

Wow that's crazy! PM which one you decide to get

 

[kissdadookie]

Wow that's crazy! PM which one you decide to get

Fearn. It has the highest amount of phospholipids. $8.

 

[NewAgeMayan]

I bet Iovate Health Sciences will make a move to take over Fearn

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I picked up some Fearn lecithin granules today. I would have liked to go with the Optima granules, as they have a higher % of PA and are non-GMO, but a local store I was at only had Fearn, and I suppose I'm impatient.

I know how I do with 750mg PA (from King). I've been wanting to increase the dose of PA to 1.5g pre-workout, but I don't want to double the dose of King both for price reasons, as well as me not wanting 9600IU of Vitamin D. The lecithin granules give me a great, cost effective way to do this. I will easily be able to notice any improvements with the higher dose of PA, and this will show that the lecithin is at least doing something. Additionally, when I'm out of my stock of King (3 bottles), I'll transition over to 1.5g PA solely from lecithin (replacing King with more lecithin granules). That will provide me with a solid idea of how the two compare, and will also let me immediately begin taking 1.5g PA instead of having to stay with 750mg PA for a while to see how they compare. From there, I may experiment with even higher doses of PA from lecithin (2.25-3g). This should be good.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Any feedback from the new version of King yet?

 

[fightnews]

damn biotest is raping people for this stuff lol

 

[fightnews]

my bum hurts

 

[fightnews]

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/fearn-lecithin-granules-16-oz-granules

PA content: 1.2 grams

Waaaaaaaaaay cheaper than king

Really considering do a 2 week wash out of my current supplementation and doing a 2 month run with this. Think about it: 2 months for 15 bucks? Worth it.

ill get this one

 

[TGB1987]

The feedback we have gotten from the new version of king has still been pretty good. We have it on sale for $32.99 and if you use coupon code king u can save another 20%

 

[Contaygious]

Sweet. Ordered some granules on amazon and will compare to king

 

[koi1214]

Fearn. It has the highest amount of phospholipids. $8.

What is the best way to dose the Fearn SL?

 

[Contaygious]

Well it looks like you could do 1g and it woule be more than king. I might try 1.5 pwo

 

[kbayne]

What is the best way to dose the Fearn SL?

Dosing pre-workout is how everyone using Fearn SL is going about it.

 

[koi1214]

Well it looks like you could do 1g and it woule be more than king. I might try 1.5 pwo

So I should do 2 tablespoons preworkout and that will give me 1.2 grams of PA?

Fearn Lecithin Granules Nutrition Facts
Serving Size: 2 level Tablespoons (15 g)
Servings per Container: 30
Choline 450 mg *
Linoleic Acid 4,350 mg *
Linolenic Acid 900 mg *
Phosphatidylcholine 3,450 mg *
Phosphatidylethanolamine 3,000 mg *
Phosphatidylinositol 2,100 mg *
Phosphatidic Acid 1,200 mg *
Phosphorus 450 mg *
Potassium 240 mg *
Vitamin E 1 I.U. **
Thiamine **
Riboflavin **
Niacin **
Vitamin B12 **
Folic Acid

 

[koi1214]

Dosing pre-workout is how everyone using Fearn SL is going about it.

Thank you

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Dosing pre-workout is how everyone using Fearn SL is going about it.

I did a few quick calculations for different sources of PA. The prices are based on the best price that I've found each supplement for, not including shipping. The Optima lecithin is non-GMO, while the Fearn lecithin does not specify, which means that it is likely GMO, if that matters to anyone.

 

[3clipseGT]

my bum hurts

No kidding, mine too. Lol

 

[kissdadookie]

As others have mentioned above, 2 tblspn 30-60 minutes Preworkout. First time you use it, time it 60 minutes out, just in case it makes you want to poop or something (just a suggestion).

 

[ma70]

Haven't kept up with this thread lately. The new "King" basically has a different source of PA now, right? As for the other ingredients, do they have any significant effects or are they just thrown in there?

 

[kissdadookie]

Haven't kept up with this thread lately. The new "King" basically has a different source of PA now, right? As for the other ingredients, do they have any significant effects or are they just thrown in there?

They list the other beneficial constituents in lecithin, we don't know what the amounts of them are in since we don't know how they are standardizing their lecithin. Technically Mediator could have listed them as well since they are there in Mediator (you're not getting pure PA, it's really lecithin concentrated for higher PA content) but ChemiNutra is selling Mediator as a PA ingredient so they chose to only list the minimum PA (they standardize to an approximate minimum PA amount, it's not exact though and could come in slightly higher than what is listed) content in Mediator.

 

[ma70]

I was checking out King on TGB. Is that label actually the one that's up to date or is that the old one? Thinking of stacking King with something this winter....

 

[TGB1987]

No sorry that is the old label but the writeup is the new one. We will try to fix this today. When we put it back in stock we were the first to have it and I didn't have the new info yet. Other than it being a 60ct.

 

[TGB1987]

Actually the supplement facts are correct along with the write up. The nutrition facts on the side are what are not correct.

 

[ma70]

Actually the supplement facts are correct along with the write up. The nutrition facts on the side are what are not correct.

Thanks for the quick clarification!

 

[TGB1987]

No problem brother

 

[kissdadookie]

Dr. Stout has suggested that regular soy lecithin is good to go as your PA source. The Fearn lecithin granules seems to be the way to go as the PA (amongst other phospholipids) have been standardized to a high content in that product. It's like $8 for 30 days.

 

[rhino67jg]

Im in... have 3 bottles of king to polish off first..

 

[kissdadookie]

Im in... have 3 bottles of king to polish off first..

2 for me, and 3 more bottles of Micro-PA. Will be a great relief if this pans out, saves me lots of money

 

[TGB1987]

2 for me, and 3 more bottles of Micro-PA. Will be a great relief if this pans out, saves me lots of money

Have you noticed a difference with the micro-PA and King?

 

[kissdadookie]

Have you noticed a difference with the micro-PA and King?

I didn't notice much of a drop off from switching over from Micro-PA to the original King formula, so IMO they work about the same. I have a lot of Micro-PA because after the first bottle hooked me, I ordered like 7 more

 

[TGB1987]

I didn't notice much of a drop off from switching over from Micro-PA to the original King formula, so IMO they work about the same. I have a lot of Micro-PA because after the first bottle hooked me, I ordered like 7 more

Yeah when something is good you want to take advantage. I know I am the same way. I was interested in trying the Micro-PA but the cost is high and it seems so similar to king. I am wondering how the new formula of king would stack up

 

[kissdadookie]

Yeah when something is good you want to take advantage. I know I am the same way. I was interested in trying the Micro-PA but the cost is high and it seems so similar to king. I am wondering how the new formula of king would stack up

I've been using Micro-PA for like 6+ months now roughly (2 months break from it when original King was out, because I switched over to that instead) Way before King came out. If King was out at the time, I probably would have went with that instead.

 

[Grayson]

GL kiss.

I might run the fearn in pct if your experimentation goes as planned.

 

[kissdadookie]

GL kiss.

I might run the fearn in pct if your experimentation goes as planned.

You may be waiting awhile, I have 2 bottles of OG King + 3 bottles of Micro-PA + whatever is left in the bottle of Micro-PA I'm currently using. LoL.

You should just dive into it yourself TBH, it's only $8 for 30 days of the Fearn lecithin granules.

 

[Grayson]

You may be waiting awhile, I have 2 bottles of OG King + 3 bottles of Micro-PA + whatever is left in the bottle of Micro-PA I'm currently using. LoL.

You should just dive into it yourself TBH, it's only $8 for 30 days of the Fearn lecithin granules.

On week 2 of 30mg of ostar1ne. Want to keep the run as clean as possible (with the exception of epicatechin)

 

[kissdadookie]

On week 2 of 30mg of ostar1ne. Want to keep the run as clean as possible (with the exception of epicatechin)

Ah, gotcha. Whatever PA brings, I'm sure most of what you're getting is from the experimental drug though, lol (I honestly don't think most people understand that ostarine is not a natural supplement, it's an experimental drug people, lol, not saying it's dangerous or not, but it is a drug nonetheless)

 

[ELROCK]

Dr. Stout has suggested that regular soy lecithin is good to go as your PA source. The Fearn lecithin granules seems to be the way to go as the PA (amongst other phospholipids) have been standardized to a high content in that product. It's like $8 for 30 days.

I will also be giving this a try once I finish off my last bottle of King. I will be sure to keep you guys posted.

 

[Danes]

Dr. Stout has suggested that regular soy lecithin is good to go as your PA source. The Fearn lecithin granules seems to be the way to go as the PA (amongst other phospholipids) have been standardized to a high content in that product. It's like $8 for 30 days.

Not only Stout but Dr Wilson too

I used 1.5g from april and i clearly felt 750mg was nothing to brag of. But 1.5g was much better..

Increase in apetitte
Musclefulness
Size and strength

I asked wilson would 3g PA be more beneficial than regular 750mg ..

Answer:
To be honest based on our cell culture data I think it would work better

Those who dont feel anything from PA i recommend to increase at least to 1.5g but really should play with even higher dosages