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I'm on Phosphatidic acid Ya'll

fightnews said:
I read somewhere a long time ago it was a myth but i cant seem to find anything on it now, maybe im wrong but i didnt look that hard.
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I'm fairly certain to comply with labelling laws they do need to be listed in order
 
Breaking news, I picked up a muscle and fitness magazine for the first time in 20 years, Worst five bucks I ever spent. Holy christ it's nothing but adds

Anyway the news is the company Epic came out with a phosphatitic acid supplement selling in GNC. I can't find a price on it though
 
fightnews said:
Breaking news, I picked up a muscle and fitness magazine for the first time in 20 years, Worst five bucks I ever spent. Holy christ it's nothing but adds

Anyway the news is the company Epic came out with a phosphatitic acid supplement selling in GNC. I can't find a price on it though
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I think that's the Iovate brand that I think is exclusive to GNC.
 
kissdadookie said:
I think that's the Iovate brand that I think is exclusive to GNC.
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You think it will be quality phosphatidic acid? I don't mind buying from gnc, It's a month supple but Im not going to get my hopes up. It will probably be more expensive then biotest.
 
papapudgy said:
Just picked up the new formula King at the Olympia for $25
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oh yeah? Can't pass it up at that price, It's such a great supplement. I hope it's quality phosphatidic acid though. If they can sell it that cheap I would assume biotest will have to some down in price. Whats the full name of the place you bought it?
 
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Here's the label from the new King if you were curious
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So in parentheses the phosphatidic acid is all 1 thing correct? They are just breaking down the constituents and it's really just 2 ingredients right? Is there anyway to verify that it's soy derived?
 
fightnews said:
oh yeah? Can't pass it up at that price, It's such a great supplement. I hope it's quality phosphatidic acid though. If they can sell it that cheap I would assume biotest will have to some down in price. Whats the full name of the place you bought it?
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I bought it from the cutler booth they were selling all their products for $25 (w/ free tshirt) I didn't realiZe it was the new formula until after. Yeah it's all one paranthesis
 
I still cant get a price on epiq pa, wierd because the add made it seem like it was already out, fuking gay
 
fightnews said:
So in parentheses the phosphatidic acid is all 1 thing correct? They are just breaking down the constituents and it's really just 2 ingredients right? Is there anyway to verify that it's soy derived?
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Soy is going to be the cheapest to source it from, why would any company wish to source it from something more expensive?

I think lysophosphatidic acid is 1 step away from phosphatidic acid? If so, I don't know how that would or if it would, change the effects we are seeking.

EDIT: Well, thought this over a bit, LPA is good if the PA supplementation does mostly work by conversion to LPA which then activates ERK that eventually triggers mTOR. That's one theory on how PA works but TBH, nobody is really sure how supplementation works but the two main ways it's hypothesized to be working is either getting into the cells to increase PA pools to directly activate mTOR or it is mainly converting to LPA. But all in all, the way BPI is listing it out on the ingredients, kind of confusing TBH. Also I'm not sure if there's any bioavailibility differences between orally ingested PA vs LPA.
 
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To get 900mg of PA, one would need ~4 grams of soy lecithin.
 
you could get 2 pounds of non-GMO soy lecithin for roughly $11.00 lol
 
The Engineer said:
And according to examine: Invalid Link Removed

To get 900mg of PA, one would need ~4 grams of soy lecithin.
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but then where would that leave Cutler plus Biotest at their $65.00 a unit
 
Touey said:
but then where would that leave Cutler plus Biotest at their $65.00 a unit
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Cutler would have to resort to G4P to pay for his juice and same for biotest. Christian T-whateverface will have to do the same as cutler because biotest is going to up sht's creek. Maybe they'll do group shows @_@
 
The Engineer said:
The latest study showing that it must be from soy. Interesting to note that PS had the same effect as PA...

Don't know if this was posted yet, but here:

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Yeah, noticed that. Both PS and PA can be turned into LPA. So in theory the MOA here is that they get converted to LPA and LPA in turn activates ERK which then leads to mTOR activation down the line.

Question about the lecithin is if there's any negative impact from taking large doses of lecithin daily. The second question is bioavailibility/peak concentration differences between lecithin concentrated for PA content vs PA content matched dose of regular lecithin.
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah, noticed that. Both PS and PA can be turned into LPA. So in theory the MOA here is that they get converted to LPA and LPA in turn activates ERK which then leads to mTOR activation down the line.

Question about the lecithin is if there's any negative impact from taking large doses of lecithin daily. The second question is bioavailibility/peak concentration differences between lecithin concentrated for PA content vs PA content matched dose of regular lecithin.
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I'm on my phone, but I saw somewhere that 20-25 grams has been well tolerated.
 
kissdadookie said:
Yeah, noticed that. Both PS and PA can be turned into LPA. So in theory the MOA here is that they get converted to LPA and LPA in turn activates ERK which then leads to mTOR activation down the line.

Question about the lecithin is if there's any negative impact from taking large doses of lecithin daily. The second question is bioavailibility/peak concentration differences between lecithin concentrated for PA content vs PA content matched dose of regular lecithin.
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yeah, there can be. lecithin is an old school bodybuider supplement. its really high in phosphorus, but obviously the effects of too much phos, such as dissolving your bones, can be counteracted with albion calcium supplements.

lecithin can vary from brand to brand pretty drastically. some have twice the phos per serving as others. i got this solgar off the shelf and it was brown, despite being well within expiration, but the reading i posted came from a brand by quantum nutrition labs that is actually bright yellow and alot better
 
thescience said:
yeah, there can be. lecithin is an old school bodybuider supplement. its really high in phosphorus, but obviously the effects of too much phos, such as dissolving your bones, can be counteracted with albion calcium supplements.

lecithin can vary from brand to brand pretty drastically. some have twice the phos per serving as others. i got this solgar off the shelf and it was brown, despite being well within expiration, but the reading i posted came from a brand by quantum nutrition labs that is actually bright yellow and alot better
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Phosphorus? That makes sense, but does the science (not you lol) show that more phosphorus = more atp?

Also, the NOW brand has ~210mg of phosphorus. RDA = 700 according to linus pauling (which is not meant for bbers), but what would be the downside of too much phosphorus? I'm sorry I haven't done that much research into it?

Lastly, did king list the amount of phosphorus per serving? Or does the phosphorus get removed when isolating PA?
 
somebody with twitter tweet these ??? to mediator pa?
 
The Engineer said:
Phosphorus? That makes sense, but does the science (not you lol) show that more phosphorus = more atp?

Also, the NOW brand has ~210mg of phosphorus. RDA = 700 according to linus pauling (which is not meant for bbers), but what would be the downside of too much phosphorus? I'm sorry I haven't done that much research into it?

Lastly, did king list the amount of phosphorus per serving? Or does the phosphorus get removed when isolating PA?
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Clear PMs
 
The Engineer said:
Phosphorus? That makes sense, but does the science (not you lol) show that more phosphorus = more atp?

Also, the NOW brand has ~210mg of phosphorus. RDA = 700 according to linus pauling (which is not meant for bbers), but what would be the downside of too much phosphorus? I'm sorry I haven't done that much research into it?

Lastly, did king list the amount of phosphorus per serving? Or does the phosphorus get removed when isolating PA?
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Im sure the phos content of king etc is negligable. Tolerance to phos loading varies considerably, snd yeah people use it for athletic purposes toward vo2. Actually, u cant twitch a single muscle without phosphorus. I eat alot of meat (high phos) and suspect i retain cal/phos exceptionally well as ive never had a cavity despite living on junkfood amd soda for the first 18 years of my life so i think i go too far with it relatively quickly. the only time ive seen a company tell u not to use their own product was for albion phosphorus, because people would offset their calcium levels with it. Its ssid csl/phos ratio should be 2:1, and lecithin is a far cry from that. Bone loss starts in the jaw first typically so people can notice tooth problems or joint problems. This is confirmed when a useable calcium is taken and it sucessfully resolves the issue. That said though, i know people who down lots of lecithin with no problem
 
Ok I just got word that we are able to get Cutler King back in stock as of now. Here is the info on the new formula and the price is $32.99 for a 60ct bottle. We have only a limited number at this time.

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TGB1987 said:
Ok I just got word that we are able to get Cutler King back in stock as of now. Here is the info on the new formula and the price is $32.99 for a 60ct bottle. We have only a limited number at this time.

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looks like they're still using mediator pa
 
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PA content: 1.2 grams

Waaaaaaaaaay cheaper than king :)

Really considering do a 2 week wash out of my current supplementation and doing a 2 month run with this. Think about it: 2 months for 15 bucks? Worth it.
 
The Engineer said:
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PA content: 1.2 grams

Waaaaaaaaaay cheaper than king :)

Really considering do a 2 week wash out of my current supplementation and doing a 2 month run with this. Think about it: 2 months for 15 bucks? Worth it.
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Just order it!
 
alvin1 said:
Just order it!
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Patience, padawan.

I'm currently finishing up og anabeta, ep1c, cistamax and some intermittent Ara.


Like I said, mostly two weeks then I'll start it. I want the effects of these current ingredients to be fully degraded before I do this. Plus, I'd only supplement with lecithin during this trial.
 
The Engineer said:
Patience, padawan.

I'm currently finishing up og anabeta, ep1c, cistamax and some intermittent Ara.


Like I said, mostly two weeks then I'll start it. I want the effects of these current ingredients to be fully degraded before I do this. Plus, I'd only supplement with lecithin during this trial.
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no i meant I just order it lol, i woulb not order you to do so lol, 24 $ 2 bags ship to canada
 
alvin1 said:
no i meant I just order it lol, i woulb not order you to do so lol, 24 $ 2 bags ship to canada
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What current supps are you on? What's your training like?

I'd post your findings in this thread after your first workout, and then every week, if you can that is :)

Also it would be interesting to stack this with PS.
 
The Engineer said:
What current supps are you on? What's your training like?

I'd post your findings in this thread after your first workout, and then every week, if you can that is :)

Also it would be interesting to stack this with PS.
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I am doing a sponsored log right now, mass 550 so i will not run it right away, it was just to good of a pric to try it
 
The Engineer said:
Patience, padawan.

I'm currently finishing up og anabeta, ep1c, cistamax and some intermittent Ara.


Like I said, mostly two weeks then I'll start it. I want the effects of these current ingredients to be fully degraded before I do this. Plus, I'd only supplement with lecithin during this trial.
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I had to Google that!
 
The Engineer said:
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PA content: 1.2 grams

Waaaaaaaaaay cheaper than king :)

Really considering do a 2 week wash out of my current supplementation and doing a 2 month run with this. Think about it: 2 months for 15 bucks? Worth it.
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WOW, Are you sure its the same thing?
 
I saw an add for this stuff called myo x from mph, It's billed as a myostatin inhibitor. They dont tell you whats in it exactly but I think they are using the same study as PA. What do you guys think? check it out Invalid Link Removed
 
fightnews said:
I saw an add for this stuff called myo x from mph, It's billed as a myostatin inhibitor. They dont tell you whats in it exactly but I think they are using the same study as PA. What do you guys think? check it out Invalid Link Removed
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It's extract from chicken eggs.

It's also not using the PA study. Ryan Lowery conducted the study and used the Wilson lab. The quote from Wilson is essentially Wilson saying "Well, this study was done at our lab and appears to show that Myo X is effective."

Oh, forgot to mention, I've used a tub of this a long while back. Tastes great, didn't notice anything from it though.
 
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