If FOLLIDRONE is bunk & results R placebo Ill take placebo

Just commenting, neither ulnar nerve entrapment nor osteoarthritis cause systemic symptoms seen here. They are localized processes affecting only the bone (OA) or the distribution of the nerve (UN). Lethargy, headaches, etc don't add up. And neither dose follidrone. All the prior posts make this sound like somatization disorder, if anything
 
I pre ordered follidrone from strong supplements and got a couple more things and just want to say I'm very impressed. They send email confirmation of everything, even an email to let me know my package wasn't delivered because of an issue. They later that night called me to ensure I knew of the issue. Awesome customer service. Props to them.
 
hurdlemaker said:
I'm not sure what this chap is talking about, my placebo effect at 1/16 of a serving preworkout has been fantastic haha

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Selfies being posted in this thread - what is this, Body Space? This thread has gone so far off the rails, it's absurd. The scientific discussion around this topic has largely evaporated and been replaced with low- information, tabloid-like nonsense. The epi craze has unleashed a wave of ugly trolls.

Brundel, thanks for introducing an intriguing new product. I'm waiting for Planetary to fulfill my weeks-old order. Will post feedback after I complete my eight-week cycle. I am excited to try it. But reading the incessant remarks in this thread - "the stock is out, when can I get more, this stuff is hype, this stuff is amazing, etc." - is exhausting. /unsubscribed

Parting thought...Bill Phillips once had the audacity to tell his customers that HMB "felt like Deca." But many of you kids won't remember that. For those that do, we learned this lesson: initial marketing pushes promise the world, but time will tell the story. And time with tell the story with epi.
 
Monte Brogan said:
Selfies being posted in this thread - what is this, Body Space? This thread has gone so far off the rails, it's absurd. The scientific discussion around this topic has largely evaporated and been replaced with low- information, tabloid-like nonsense. The epi craze has unleashed a wave of ugly trolls.

Brundel, thanks for introducing an intriguing new product. I'm waiting for Planetary to fulfill my weeks-old order. Will post feedback after I complete my eight-week cycle. I am excited to try it. But reading the incessant remarks in this thread - "the stock is out, when can I get more, this stuff is hype, this stuff is amazing, etc." - is exhausting. /unsubscribed

Parting thought...Bill Phillips once had the audacity to tell his customers that HMB "felt like Deca." But many of you kids won't remember that. For those that do, we learned this lesson: initial marketing pushes promise the world, but time will tell the story. And time with tell the story with epi.
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Your opinion and literature on the matter is just as irrelevant as the "low information tabloid like nonsense", pot kettle black mr 'he who is above everyone else'
 
Monte Brogan said:
Selfies being posted in this thread - what is this, Body Space? This thread has gone so far off the rails, it's absurd. The scientific discussion around this topic has largely evaporated and been replaced with low- information, tabloid-like nonsense. The epi craze has unleashed a wave of ugly trolls.

Brundel, thanks for introducing an intriguing new product. I'm waiting for Planetary to fulfill my weeks-old order. Will post feedback after I complete my eight-week cycle. I am excited to try it. But reading the incessant remarks in this thread - "the stock is out, when can I get more, this stuff is hype, this stuff is amazing, etc." - is exhausting. /unsubscribed

Parting thought...Bill Phillips once had the audacity to tell his customers that HMB "felt like Deca." But many of you kids won't remember that. For those that do, we learned this lesson: initial marketing pushes promise the world, but time will tell the story. And time with tell the story with epi.
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We look forward to your feedback. Also, classy move leaving a parting shot for no other reason than to incite a response, which you just spent 2 paragraphs complaining about. Now that you are unsubscribed, I hope it was worth it.
 
Monte Brogan said:
Selfies being posted in this thread - what is this, Body Space? This thread has gone so far off the rails, it's absurd. The scientific discussion around this topic has largely evaporated and been replaced with low- information, tabloid-like nonsense. The epi craze has unleashed a wave of ugly trolls. Brundel, thanks for introducing an intriguing new product. I'm waiting for Planetary to fulfill my weeks-old order. Will post feedback after I complete my eight-week cycle. I am excited to try it. But reading the incessant remarks in this thread - "the stock is out, when can I get more, this stuff is hype, this stuff is amazing, etc." - is exhausting. /unsubscribed Parting thought...Bill Phillips once had the audacity to tell his customers that HMB "felt like Deca." But many of you kids won't remember that. For those that do, we learned this lesson: initial marketing pushes promise the world, but time will tell the story. And time with tell the story with epi.
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I remember this.....well. Its being reintroduced by the way by another big company....16lbs of muscle in 8 weeks is what they claim. I try to tell people its a rehash of an old worthless product but who knows....maybe this time it will be spiked with SD. THe difference here is there are reports, worldwide, validating every word I said about (-)-epi. If you dont believe.....you will once you take it. Not much more I can do. Our internal trials- insanely strong Public sponsored logs-Same Non sponsored logs-Same literally over 100 reviews-Same TONS of viable research indicating it works- Tons of companies now coming out with (-)-epi products- If this isnt enough evidence nothing is going to be. Ill just say....try it first. THen let us know your assessment. Not the other way around lol. :) Planetary will be able to ship soon.
 
brundel said:
I remember this.....well. Its being reintroduced by the way by another big company....16lbs of muscle in 8 weeks is what they claim. I try to tell people its a rehash of an old worthless product but who knows....maybe this time it will be spiked with SD. THe difference here is there are reports, worldwide, validating every word I said about (-)-epi. If you dont believe.....you will once you take it. Not much more I can do. Our internal trials- insanely strong Public sponsored logs-Same Non sponsored logs-Same literally over 100 reviews-Same TONS of viable research indicating it works- Tons of companies now coming out with (-)-epi products- If this isnt enough evidence nothing is going to be. Ill just say....try it first. THen let us know your assessment. Not the other way around lol. :) Planetary will be able to ship soon.
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I don't see how you can say that HMB is an old worthless product. The voluminous amount of data available for it all points otherwise. The problem is that when supplement companies tried to push HMB, they treated it as if it was a strong anabolic (in reality it's a moderate anabolic at best, it's main MOA is blocking protein break down). So Bill Phillips trying to market it as a AAS alternative was just asinine to begin with since the stuff doesn't act anything like AAS or anabolics in general. Granted, at the time, folks actually did believe HMB to be a good anabolic which was only later discovered that it's main MOA was to directly block protein breakdown (anti-catabolic).

Whatever ones current training is, that is most likely structured with ones own recovery rate in mind. You throw HMB into the mix, you now have a higher threshold for total work output. If you end up training as you did before, you're leaving the benefits on the table because you did not take advantage of the additional bandwidth you now have (again, the stuff is only a moderate anabolic at best but a very strong anti-catabolic).

I of course am not making excuses for MTs marketing, that's an entirely different discussion, but looking at the compound itself, it's a very well understood and well studied compound so saying that it's worthless based on idiotic claims made by the buffoons running some supplement companies is nonsensical.
 
Might be the second week but I am eating more then usual, I am sweating crazy during my workout, and I think I'm leaning out.
 
kissdadookie said:
I don't see how you can say that HMB is an old worthless product. The voluminous amount of data available for it all points otherwise. The problem is that when supplement companies tried to push HMB, they treated it as if it was a strong anabolic (in reality it's a moderate anabolic at best, it's main MOA is blocking protein break down). So Bill Phillips trying to market it as a AAS alternative was just asinine to begin with since the stuff doesn't act anything like AAS or anabolics in general. Granted, at the time, folks actually did believe HMB to be a good anabolic which was only later discovered that it's main MOA was to directly block protein breakdown (anti-catabolic).

Whatever ones current training is, that is most likely structured with ones own recovery rate in mind. You throw HMB into the mix, you now have a higher threshold for total work output. If you end up training as you did before, you're leaving the benefits on the table because you did not take advantage of the additional bandwidth you now have (again, the stuff is only a moderate anabolic at best but a very strong anti-catabolic).

I of course am not making excuses for MTs marketing, that's an entirely different discussion, but looking at the compound itself, it's a very well understood and well studied compound so saying that it's worthless based on idiotic claims made by the buffoons running some supplement companies is nonsensical.
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Im not disagreeing with your statements at all. My point.... ads say 16lbs of muscle gained on average. This means some gained more some less.
Now.....I dont believe, under any circumstance, Free HMB will give you 16lbs of lean mass in 8-12 weeks.
Again it prevents catabolism. So we are not seeing an increase in anabolism. How much protein breakdown do we think HMB can prevent.
1.5lbs a week of muscle? Its not possible as far as I know. Even with AAS this doesnt happen. And with AAS we have a HUGE increase in anabolism along with the anti catabolism.
With AAS you gain alot more but a ton of it is intracellular water and glycogen which is transient. HMB this doesnt happen.
HMB would be muscle as we are talking about preventing catabolism of pre existing tissue allowing for continued accumulation.
Its just not realistic.
I believe it might be beneficial to take it...if it were extremely cheap.
Sort of like something like citrulline or beta alanine. It plays a role and has a place in the arsenal of someone who uses tons of supps.
Its not an anabolic agent like its being promoted though and to promote it as such to users is insulting to them and makes the industry look bad.

So, not worthless, but not even close to working as advertised and...for the whole reason why people are buying it.
 
Promoting HMB as an anabolic that users gain 16lbs is the whole reason there is so much skepticism regarding supplements.
 
brundel said:
Im not disagreeing with your statements at all. My point.... ads say 16lbs of muscle gained on average. This means some gained more some less.
Now.....I dont believe, under any circumstance, Free HMB will give you 16lbs of lean mass in 8-12 weeks.
Again it prevents catabolism. So we are not seeing an increase in anabolism. How much protein breakdown do we think HMB can prevent.
1.5lbs a week of muscle? Its not possible as far as I know. Even with AAS this doesnt happen. And with AAS we have a HUGE increase in anabolism along with the anti catabolism.
With AAS you gain alot more but a ton of it is intracellular water and glycogen which is transient. HMB this doesnt happen.
HMB would be muscle as we are talking about preventing catabolism of pre existing tissue allowing for continued accumulation.
Its just not realistic.
I believe it might be beneficial to take it...if it were extremely cheap.
Sort of like something like citrulline or beta alanine. It plays a role and has a place in the arsenal of someone who uses tons of supps.
Its not an anabolic agent like its being promoted though and to promote it as such to users is insulting to them and makes the industry look bad.

So, not worthless, but not even close to working as advertised and...for the whole reason why people are buying it.
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The advertising I agree is a bit nutty. However, strictly speaking in regards to the study, the gains were LBM gains AFTER an overreach and then tapering cycle which would of course lead to super compensation particularly in terms of intracellular water and glycogen retention.

I don't really pay too much attention to ad copies, but speaking specifically in regards to the actually study, IMO it's completely realistic considering that they are talking about LBM differentials rather than actual new muscle fibers.
 
brundel said:
Promoting HMB as an anabolic that users gain 16lbs is the whole reason there is so much skepticism regarding supplements.
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Agreed, but remember, the study itself was getting poo poo'd way before anybody even heard about Clear Muscle (Ergo-Log poo poo'd the study). When Ergo-Log poo poo'd the study, they were stating how it's impossible to gain that much muscle in the study... even though the study specifically stated LBM which you and I both understand means anything that's not fat mass (so mostly water and glycogen retention after the tapering from the overreach).

HMB in general though, speaking of the calcium bonded form, anecdotal-ly seems to be very effective on cutting cycles though from the myriad of posts I've seen that spans several years worth. It seems to be the majority of the cases where there has been positive feedback, from people on a cutting cycle.
 
kissdadookie said:
Agreed, but remember, the study itself was getting poo poo'd way before anybody even heard about Clear Muscle (Ergo-Log poo poo'd the study). When Ergo-Log poo poo'd the study, they were stating how it's impossible to gain that much muscle in the study... even though the study specifically stated LBM which you and I both understand means anything that's not fat mass (so mostly water and glycogen retention after the tapering from the overreach). HMB in general though, speaking of the calcium bonded form, anecdotal-ly seems to be very effective on cutting cycles though from the myriad of posts I've seen that spans several years worth. It seems to be the majority of the cases where there has been positive feedback, from people on a cutting cycle.
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They had very good reason. I was gonna leave it out because I dont want to hurt the feelings of all the guys taking freehmb. The studies were performed by the company that sells the free hmb. _pretty much always a bad sign. The members who were studied were primarily employees of the company that sells freeHMB. This is terrible. I mean..its almost a joke for a study being published. Couple this with results that defy human biology and you can pretty much bet your house the study was mostly or 100% bs. THe study showed 16+ pounds of muscle gained + 5kg or 10+lbs of fat lost. Again...this is biologically impossible under these or any circumstances. This is ergos review- We're going to be honest here: we just can't believe these results. Experienced strength athletes simply can't gain 7 kg lean meat in three months by training and taking a supplement. And then losing 5 kg fat at the same time? That's not even possible if you take steroids. So how would taking a supplement make it possible?
 
So again my point.
Guys are buying this stuff because they believe a fake study.
Its insulting. at very best.
 
The human studies on (-)-epicatechin were/are being funded by the pharmaceutical companies that want to sell (-)-epicatechin too ;)

Who other than someone interested in finding out if a product works for purposes of selling it would spend the money on a study?

That's an argument I've never really understood.
 
De__eB said:
The human studies on (-)-epicatechin were/are being funded by the pharmaceutical companies that want to sell (-)-epicatechin too ;) Who other than someone interested in finding out if a product works for purposes of selling it would spend the money on a study? That's an argument I've never really understood.
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This is true, however, these are studies that will most likely be included in bids for funding or for FDA approval. Meaning they will need to stand up to scientific scrutiny. They are performed by people who are trying to prevent disease not sell a supplement. The members of the studies are not the company employees. The results are reasonable and repeatable. While your statement is true Im sure you cant possibly believe we can compare the studies validity. If you read the Free HMB study (perhaps you have) you would see what Im talking about. Its like reading a comedy. Nobody with reasonable scientific knowledge would buy it for a second. Not so with the (-)-epi studies obviously or there would not be so many companies coming out with products or so many research studies underway by multiple pharma companies.
 
Better yet...
If free HMB is so good at preventing catabolism why are pharma companies not looking into it for muscle wasting diseases?
(-)-epi many are.
 
brundel said:
They had very good reason. I was gonna leave it out because I dont want to hurt the feelings of all the guys taking freehmb. The studies were performed by the company that sells the free hmb. _pretty much always a bad sign. The members who were studied were primarily employees of the company that sells freeHMB. This is terrible. I mean..its almost a joke for a study being published. Couple this with results that defy human biology and you can pretty much bet your house the study was mostly or 100% bs. THe study showed 16+ pounds of muscle gained + 5kg or 10+lbs of fat lost. Again...this is biologically impossible under these or any circumstances. This is ergos review- We're going to be honest here: we just can't believe these results. Experienced strength athletes simply can't gain 7 kg lean meat in three months by training and taking a supplement. And then losing 5 kg fat at the same time? That's not even possible if you take steroids. So how would taking a supplement make it possible?
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Ergo Log was claiming the gains were muscle gains. You are now also basically believing that the gains are all muscle gains. The actual study lists LBM. Wilson himself said that LBM was including increased water and glycogen retention.

It would appear to me that both yourself and Ergo Log didn't really bother carefully mulling over the actual study and instead making a lot of faulty assumptions.
 
brundel said:
Better yet...
If free HMB is so good at preventing catabolism why are pharma companies not looking into it for muscle wasting diseases?
(-)-epi many are.
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It has been looked into. That is one area of HMB studies where they've focused extensively on. Elderly population prone to muscle wasting and cancer patients.

It it appears to me that you Are again making assumptions without actually doing your homework. So if you are this loose with doing research, I am inclined to question (-)epi to be perfectly frank.
 
brundel said:
This is true, however, these are studies that will most likely be included in bids for funding or for FDA approval.
They are performed by people who are trying to prevent disease not sell a supplement.
The members of the studies are not the company employees.
The results are reasonable and repeatable.

While your statement is true Im sure you cant possibly believe we can compare the studies validity.
If you read the Free HMB study (perhaps you have) you would see what Im talking about. Its like reading a comedy.
Nobody with reasonable scientific knowledge would buy it for a second.
Not so with the (-)-epi studies obviously or there would not be so many companies coming out with products or so many research studies underway by multiple pharma companies.
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So you believe that every single doctorate, post-grad, and grad student at the University of Tampa that worked on that paper has no reasonable scientific knowledge as it regards to the subject matter?

Right now there is ELEVEN clinical trials listed as recruiting subjects for HMB. If the recent study was a joke, why would there be such a massive resurgence in clinical interest in the ingredient? Additionally there are multiple exercise physiology department studies in progress on the same ingredient. If the recent study was such a joke, why would there be such a massive academic interest in the ingredient?

I've read the study, the results are extreme, my interpretation:

-They were eating near maintenance
-They were exercising far more intensely than previously and burned significant amounts of fat
-They were exercising far more intensely than previously and gained some quantity of muscle
-The overreaching period was specifically included to trigger supercompensation and water retention, resulting in the late surge in 'lean body mass'

Ultimately, that stills paints a pretty positive picture for the ingredient having positive effects.
 
kissdadookie said:
It has been looked into. That is one area of HMB studies where they've focused extensively on. Elderly population prone to muscle wasting and cancer patients.

It it appears to me that you Are again making assumptions without actually doing your homework. So if you are this loose with doing research, I am inclined to question (-)epi to be perfectly frank.
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So your making my point.
If its so good....why isnt it being used for muscle wasting diseases? Sorry should have said used not researched.
16lbs of muscle and 10lbs of fat loss with no side effects? This would be sold by every pharma company on the planet.
Im not aware of any studies regarding muscle wasting where there was any result even slightly compared to the study we are talking about.
If you know of one please post it.
 
brundel said:
So your making my point.If its so good....why isnt it being used for muscle wasting diseases? Sorry should have said used not researched. 16lbs of muscle and 10lbs of fat loss with no side effects? This would be sold by every pharma company on the planet.Im not aware of any studies regarding muscle wasting where there was any result even slightly compared to the study we are talking about.If you know of one please post it.
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Perhaps because HMB is patented and Metabolic owns it? Metabolic is also a company founded by the person that discovered HMB. Pharma didn't pick it up because Metabolic already owns the whole enchilada. How in the world are you so critical of an ingredient and company (Metabolic) and history of the ingredient when it's quite evident that you know very little about any of it.
 
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So you believe that every single doctorate, post-grad, and grad student at the University of Tampa that worked on that paper has no reasonable scientific knowledge as it regards to the subject matter? I didnt say that. I said they intentionally tampered with the results. Scientific knowledge? Maybe, lying about the results? almost for certain. Right now there is ELEVEN clinical trials listed as recruiting subjects for HMB. If the recent study was a joke, why would there be such a massive resurgence in clinical interest in the ingredient? Additionally there are multiple exercise physiology department studies in progress on the same ingredient. If the recent study was such a joke, why would there be such a massive academic interest in the ingredient? THere was a decade ago as well. Lots of money spent with no real positive results. Again remember this is not a new ingredient. Its been studied for decades. I've read the study, the results are extreme, my interpretation: -They were eating near maintenance -They were exercising far more intensely than previously and burned significant amounts of fat -They were exercising far more intensely than previously and gained some quantity of muscle -The overreaching period was specifically included to trigger supercompensation and water retention, resulting in the late surge in 'lean body mass' Ultimately, that stills paints a pretty positive picture for the ingredient having positive effects.
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And I agree...its extreme. Enough to look more improbable than not. If they fudged one part of the study its not hard to imagine the whole study is flawed.
 
brundel said:
And I agree...its extreme. Enough to look more improbable than not. If they fudged one part of the study its not hard to imagine the whole study is flawed.
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You're making a lot of assumptions yet it's clear that you've done very little in terms of looking into the subject.
 
when does Planetary nutrition get folli? Don't really like strong supps international shipping options. and there are some other stuff I wanna grab too. is it like to weeks or some days or?
 
kissdadookie said:
Perhaps because HMB is patented and Metabolic owns it? Metabolic is also a company founded by the person that discovered HMB. Pharma didn't pick it up because Metabolic already owns the whole enchilada. How in the world are you so critical of an ingredient and company (Metabolic) and history of the ingredient when it's quite evident that you know very little about any of it.
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If its the same guy that discovered HMB then its the same guy who said it was amazing a decade ago right?
It was pushed by tons of companies. I remember eating a bunch of it and got nothing but GI distress.
Im not critical. Im just pointing out the obvious.
Have you seen anyone gain 16lbs and lose 10lbs of fat using free hmb yet?
Even close? I havnt even looked. But Im pretty confident nobody has.

(-)-epi I said 10lbs of weight gain was possible.
Dozens of guys have seen this happen. Again....its one thing to say it will do something. Its another when everyone takes it and it doesnt happen in the real world. If you know of a handful of people who have gained on average 16lbs plus lost an average of 10lbs of fat using HMB, show me and Ill never say another word.

Otherwise.....until that happens Ill retain my view.
 
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I cant make an guarantees just die to shipping times.
Before the 30th things will ship. Probably soon.
 
brundel said:
If its the same guy that discovered HMB then its the same guy who said it was amazing a decade ago right?
It was pushed by tons of companies. I remember eating a bunch of it and got nothing but GI distress.
Im not critical. Im just pointing out the obvious.
Have you seen anyone gain 16lbs and lose 10lbs of fat using free hmb yet?
Even close? I havnt even looked. But Im pretty confident nobody has.

(-)-epi I said 10lbs of weight gain was possible.
Dozens of guys have seen this happen. Again....its one thing to say it will do something. Its another when everyone takes it and it doesnt happen in the real world. If you know of a handful of people who have gained on average 16lbs plus lost an average of 10lbs of fat using HMB, show me and Ill never say another word.

Otherwise.....until that happens Ill retain my view.
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NOPE. Bill Phillips pushed HMB but had nothing to so with Metabolic apart from being one of their first customers. Steven Nissen is the founder of Metabolic Technologies and the person that discovered HMB.
 
the mentioning of HMB anywhere in the general vicinity of dook and they'll be swift and certain reaction much like tangling with Ric Flair once you've become entangled in the figure four there'll be no escape
 
Touey said:
the mentioning of HMB anywhere in the general vicinity of dook and they'll be swift and certain reaction much like tangling with Ric Flair once you've become entangled in the figure four there'll be no escape
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Only when people are making posts based on assumptions based on much of nothing much more than assumptions. ;) Also, apparently people think that Metabolic Technologies = EAS? Lol.
 
Just curious kissadookie...what kind of results did you have when you ran PA? I know you purchased several bottles and was wondering what kind of results you got. I used 1 bottle and noticed literally nothing from it. I did almost choke on one of those huge pills. lol
 
rhino67jg said:
I am 47 with severe arthritis in my shoulders & neck. I've been on folli for almost 2 weeks now & have no ill sides at all. As a matter of fact, today was one of my best leg days in a long time. No headaches in my head , just voices telling me to order more folli.
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Good to here. I can't wait to start my 2 bottles of foli. Now lets get this thread back on track for the millionth time:thumbsup:.
 
grocker said:
Just curious kissadookie...what kind of results did you have when you ran PA? I know you purchased several bottles and was wondering what kind of results you got. I used 1 bottle and noticed literally nothing from it. I did almost choke on one of those huge pills. lol
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Strength gains similar to my first ArA run. First 10 days or so increased hunger, increased glycogen retention (weight gain without the fat, and the weight stuck). Fuller muscles. Some size gains. Not grow in like the Hulk but quicker progress than my usual rate. Since using CM, the two seems to synergize really well. Recovery has been phenomenal and progress has been going in the right direction.

I am almost done with bottle 3 of PA I think.
 


I started Follidrone after being on nothing else for months other than a basic pre-workout; speaking to sports nutrition

supplements not the normal supplements I take for health.

Strength-pumps-endurance all up 40% first 3 weeks. I am in week 4 and noticing my body is wanting to go but the previous 3 weeks has taken a toll and I feel my body needs to catch up.

I've had to reorganize my routine the biggest thing being limiting shoulders to once a week instead of Tue. and

Fri. some of the worst doms ever but in a good way. I don't notice anything from the egcg. I am going to stop taking it

altogether.I feel that week 5 will be brilliant because I think my body will have "caught up". This supplement is

transfomative on body composition - I check the scale every six months but gaining while leaning is what's happening,

I'm very adept in sensing what is going on with my body.


the fun thing about the product though are the unbelievable workouts, seriously shocked after some of these sessions when I muse over what 2 little marginal half filled caps provide






update on feelings about week 5

after recovering in week four, week 5 is on par with the first 3 weeks, difference being weight lifted in first 3 weeks now is even lighter... going up with ease, having now to add more weight. Body recomp. with this supplement continues to be brilliant







In an effort to keep some semblance of continuity, feelings about week 6

there has been so far no diminishing of positive results - most notable about week 6, weight lifted has increased the most dramatically of all the weeks so far, I believe all the extra calories consumed to keep up with the demand on the body are important to note... don't be afraid to eat on this stuff, what's brilliant is the continuation of virtually all gain being lean mass. In all seriousness never thought the amount of weight lifted would be possible on a natty alone





week 7

there has been not the slightest abatement in any of the positives aforementioned. Of special note, now workouts are becoming more singular; calf day has become a day unto its own the intensity is such on that one area that's enough of a workout, and indeed I feel like I've been through a thorough workout at that, whereas I've never before had a single day devoted to calves and had the kind of intensity I do now.

Concerning body composition really seeing the results now in week 7 more than in any other so far, in a way I wish I'd taken before and after simply for documentaries sake. One thing I've felt which ought perhaps to be mentioned is the nice way which the compound's profound effect on workouts helps wellness and generally feeling better throughout the weeks I've been on, although as we all know taking this compound in this fashion is relatively new and I am not saying there may not occur some negative side from taking this long term in the future.









week 8

I was wondering if the same thing that happened in week 4 would happen in week 8 and it has. Same as in week four "body is wanting to go but the previous 3 weeks has taken a toll and I feel my body needs to catch up"

it's been light weights and high reps week 8. I don't like it, but there we are, when something is really working you'll notice this. Otherwise all your workouts would be the same no ups and downs but also no growth; it will interesting to see if the rebound into week 9 is of the same magnitude as that into week 5
 
kissdadookie said:
Agreed, but remember, the study itself was getting poo poo'd way before anybody even heard about Clear Muscle (Ergo-Log poo poo'd the study). When Ergo-Log poo poo'd the study, they were stating how it's impossible to gain that much muscle in the study... even though the study specifically stated LBM which you and I both understand means anything that's not fat mass (so mostly water and glycogen retention after the tapering from the overreach).

HMB in general though, speaking of the calcium bonded form, anecdotal-ly seems to be very effective on cutting cycles though from the myriad of posts I've seen that spans several years worth. It seems to be the majority of the cases where there has been positive feedback, from people on a cutting cycle.
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Please don't turn this into another HMB thread
 
kissdadookie said:
Brundel brought it up as he has mentioned as much.
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indeed he did unfortunately for him HMB warning system failed and dook found out luckily after dodging about a narrow nonetheless harrowing escape

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Great Follidrone updates so far
 
At first I did regular volume but not I start to see results but as I up my volume the results kick in, IMO a lot of volume and food to maximize results!
 
brundel said:
I have heard that if you rub vaseline on your face prior to administration youll grow faster. You HAVE to wear it to the gym for the results to happen though.

I have not heard of anything inhibiting absorption.
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My run on Folli is going great! Thanks for the product! I was considering trying Formeron out and adding it with Folli. My understanding is that 1-2 pumps has an AI effect and 3-4 pumps have an anabolic effect as far as muscle gain. Does 3-4 pumps cause any shutdown? And will you keep the gains without PCT if your were to take 3-4 pumps lets say for 6 weeks?
 
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