New PES preworkout

ELROCK said:
Yes, I am very efficient at Google thanks bud. Whenever I searched for it Komodo Katana came up and I didnt think it was the same product. I was looking for Katana by PES. I am also suprised NP doesnt sell they are usually all over PES products or am I missing that too?
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It's not a pes product. Komodo nutraceuticals. It's sold on GRN.
 
ELROCK said:
Yes, I am very efficient at Google thanks bud. Whenever I searched for it Komodo Katana came up and I didnt think it was the same product. I was looking for Katana by PES. I am also suprised NP doesnt sell they are usually all over PES products or am I missing that too?
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I see now. PES doesnt actually make it. It looks like it has a pretty damn good profile.
 
for the love of god, please no creatine beta alanine or tmg. i hear these comments from people like this or that is nice to not take in bulk. f that, please do not fall down that easy trap of making money. idc if i only get another 20 mgs of agmatine or whatever else, if it means no freakin ba or any of that stuff. its not convenient, its pure marketing and price points. i have complete faith in pes, just voicing my opinion.
 
The Solution said:
Wise man, Katana is top notch.
Eager to see what is in the PES pipeline for the future.
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The Solution

how does katana compare to Conqu3r by OL?

taste?
mixability?
quality?

profiles are quiet different as both are quiet extensive. Look forward to your thoughts.
 
bdcc said:
I am undecided on whether I like creatine and beta alanine inclusion or not.

One one hand, zero need for acute dosing. On the other hand they are still two ingredients with plenty of human data so pre workout ingestion saves me buying bulk powders and adding my own. :)
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I think like you on this one
 
EBF_2356 said:
The Solution

how does katana compare to Conqu3r by OL?

taste?
mixability?
quality?

profiles are quiet different as both are quiet extensive. Look forward to your thoughts.
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Taste > Katana
Mixability both are even
Quality both give you good doses of ingredients Conquer has a bit more in its blend at adequate amounts. But both are very good and very different in formula

Honestly 2 of the best on the market iMO
 
The Solution said:
Taste > Katana
Mixability both are even
Quality both give you good doses of ingredients Conquer has a bit more in its blend at adequate amounts. But both are very good and very different in formula

Honestly 2 of the best on the market iMO
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Cheers man.

If you were to shell out the cash which would you buy?
 
endurance. improve upper rep schemes. crossfit style
 
The Solution said:
Could not go wrong with either
Pumps are ridiculous on Katana if you are looking for more pumps
Adequate BA/Agmatine/CM/Creatine in the Conq3er

honestly both spectacular.
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What about energy/focus on katana? I've had plenty of the conquer and really liked the amount there... similar here as well?
 
EBF_2356 said:
Cheers man.

If you were to shell out the cash which would you buy?
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I haven't had Conquer and the profile looks very solid so I don't want anyone thinking I am talking down about it.

Based on the looks I'd figure stimulant wise Conquer would have a bigger punch (more caffeine and addition of AMP).

Focus would probably be better on Katana (that Citicoline dose works very well with the caffeine and Tyrosine dose).

As far as performance (I won't comment on Conquer, again having not used it, but it is dosed very well) Katana is one of the best choices for this. Amentoflavone, Citrulline, Agmatine, and GMS all have roles in that to a degree and Katana is currently my pre-workout of choice (and as you know I am more interested in strength than anything else currently).

Maybe I need to try some Conquer eventually though? ;)
 
bolt10 said:
I haven't had Conquer and the profile looks very solid so I don't want anyone thinking I am talking down about it.

Based on the looks I'd figure stimulant wise Conquer would have a bigger punch (more caffeine and addition of AMP).

Focus would probably be better on Katana (that Citicoline dose works very well with the caffeine and Tyrosine dose).

As far as performance (I won't comment on Conquer, again having not used it, but it is dosed very well) Katana is one of the best choices for this. Amentoflavone, Citrulline, Agmatine, and GMS all have roles in that to a degree and Katana is currently my pre-workout of choice (and as you know I am more interested in strength than anything else currently).

Maybe I need to try some Conquer eventually though? ;)
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try it and let me know Sean ;)
 
Katana was great for focus. Katana + Amento/Norco was pretty fantastic.

I was alternating it during a PHAT run, loved it on power days but preferred Ritual on my hypertrophy days. Probably because of the pump, Katana really delivers there, and I find it counter productive when I am ballooned up by my second set on a high-rep day.

So EBF I would say maybe Katana would be best in another training regiment but its definitely worth trying when you can.
 
Driven2lift said:
Katana was great for focus. Katana + Amento/Norco was pretty fantastic.

I was alternating it during a PHAT run, loved it on power days but preferred Ritual on my hypertrophy days. Probably because of the pump, Katana really delivers there, and I find it counter productive when I am ballooned up by my second set on a high-rep day.

So EBF I would say maybe Katana would be best in another training regiment but its definitely worth trying when you can.
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Thanks Driven ;)

Chris
 
I've tried Conquer but not Katana. Looking at the Katana profile, it would definitely be better for endurance/high rep workouts. Conquer is better for strength however.
 
Id be interested in this but I just know deep down it will have some yohimbe extract in it. I hope to hell they don't include it for once. I for one would also like to see COP in it. Stuff boosts my strength a great deal
 
COP would be a solid addition, most pre's that have it aren't putting the full 2g dosing in theirs...but knowing PES, should they include it, would be dosed right...also would like to add my name to the 'please no y in the new version' petition :)
 
SauceMonkey22 said:
I'd wanna see a pre, a super GDA, a Baja blast flavored Amino IV (I'd be the first person to die from amino acid overload lol)
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I think my fiance holds the record for highest amount consumed at once. I packed her lunch one day and sent her with a container of amino iv and a scooper. She was half asleep when she left at six am and did not here me give her instructions. Fast forward to break time and she takes the container of powder, she looked at it and wondered how much to put in her 20 oz bottle of water. She thought for a minute and then said to her self "F**k it I'm hardcore," and dumped all the powder into the bottle. She then drank it over the course of about ten minutes. Total scoops 7!!!! She spent a lot of quality time that day cleansing lol.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I think my fiance holds the record for highest amount consumed at once. I packed her lunch one day and sent her with a container of amino iv and a scooper. She was half asleep when she left at six am and did not here me give her instructions. Fast forward to break time and she takes the container of powder, she looked at it and wondered how much to put in her 20 oz bottle of water. She thought for a minute and then said to her self "F**k it I'm hardcore," and dumped all the powder into the bottle. She then drank it over the course of about ten minutes. Total scoops 7!!!! She spent a lot of quality time that day cleansing lol.
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Hahaha this is pretty awesome
 
BCseacow83 said:
I think my fiance holds the record for highest amount consumed at once. I packed her lunch one day and sent her with a container of amino iv and a scooper. She was half asleep when she left at six am and did not here me give her instructions. Fast forward to break time and she takes the container of powder, she looked at it and wondered how much to put in her 20 oz bottle of water. She thought for a minute and then said to her self "F**k it I'm hardcore," and dumped all the powder into the bottle. She then drank it over the course of about ten minutes. Total scoops 7!!!! She spent a lot of quality time that day cleansing lol.
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inb4 b6 overdose
 
Enduser said:
Enhanced is chock full of yohimbine, doesn't sit well with me...
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We have had overwelming feedback from people who normally can't handle yohimbe claiming our extract is much smoother and cleaner feeling than any other. Have you tried lowering your dose and working your way up?
 
You mean 2 scoops enhanced
1 scoop alphamine
1 norco

too much? not for this young buck :)
 
EBF_2356 said:
You mean 2 scoops enhanced 1 scoop alphamine 1 norco too much? not for this young buck :)
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That's insane lol how much caffeine is that?
 
cbsharpe said:
LOL..I know right..... HH..what's up bro? Haven't talked to you in awhile. Hope all is good with you.
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What's good brotha. Ain't sh!t Chillen. Haven't hit the gym the way I've been hitting it. Wifey is pregnant and due next week and she's been getting sick and all. She better now :-)

Hope all is well wit u
 
I have been using high volume + cistamax + amentomax for my preworkout stack
 
Someone send me High Volume. will pay for shipping. seriously gotta use this.

HV
Conqu3r
Katana

all on my to do list... all have stellar feedback. send me broke for fcuk sake lol
 
EBF_2356 said:
Someone send me High Volume. will pay for shipping. seriously gotta use this.

HV
Conqu3r
Katana

all on my to do list... all have stellar feedback. send me broke for fcuk sake lol
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In before explosion
 
halfhuman said:
What's good brotha. Ain't sh!t Chillen. Haven't hit the gym the way I've been hitting it. Wifey is pregnant and due next week and she's been getting sick and all. She better now :-)

Hope all is well wit u
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okay, I understand that as I have kids too but older. Well, congratulations to your and your wifey. Glad to hear she is doing better.

I'm doing well...can't complain. Just taking it day by day.
 
I'm a fan of the pure L-citrulline. The plantango extract is interesting but GMS is proven and so is L-citrulline.

gold formula. just imagine this with some ALCAR. yum yum.

endurance, nootropic, fat loss.

throw in some amentomax and some aav2 and alphamine for the caffiene and jizzzzzzzzz!!!!
 
EBF_2356 said:
I'm a fan of the pure L-citrulline. The plantango extract is interesting but GMS is proven and so is L-citrulline.

gold formula. just imagine this with some ALCAR. yum yum.

endurance, nootropic, fat loss.

throw in some amentomax and some aav2 and alphamine for the caffiene and jizzzzzzzzz!!!!
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Basically. :D

My High Volume stash is finally gone though. :(
 
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