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All aboard the Betaine train.

I also didn't specify a product as was said, looking at the max pump profile now I would agree that you are likely getting a decent amount of TMG.

The fact that it is included in the write-up and suggests that you are getting the betaine benefits reinforces the likelihood of it being a proper dose.

I just meant in general with prop blends, as a lot of them are less than trustworthy. I am a Finaflex fan, regularly use the products (G8 is a godsend for my sleep and recovery)

Sorry for the multiple replies I just wanted to clarify that my comment was regarding prop blends and not any specific product.
 
Driven2lift said:
Its not that I am putting down the product it us just that I can't tell someone they are getting the proper TMG benefits from a product with a prop blend.

I have no idea how much Betaine is in it which is why I said that I personally would add bulk Betaine to be safe.

Not at all putting down the product, as I said as a nitrate product it is great I just can't say with any degree if certainty if there us enough TMG in the product to provide those benefits.

I love nitrates, this product being no exception. My apologies if I came across in a negative way.
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fair enough - but perhaps you should pay closer attention to what you type
had you stated what you did there in that post, i would take no issue with your understanding

however, what you said was quite entirely different:

Driven2lift said:
Negligible amount of Betaine in the nitrate mixes.

I would still add 3g TMG on top if you are looking for the Betaine benefits.
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if you do not know this, then you should think before you type

thanks for clarifying


raz_kaz248 said:
so how much betaine in MaxPump then?
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i cannot specify precisely per company policy, but for all intents and purposes you can figure ~2g in one full serving
 
That was my mistake with wording sorry Snags.

After looking up Max Pump and your reply here I went to grab some to try but Orbit doesn't have it yet.
Putting in a request
 
Driven2lift said:
That was my mistake with wording sorry Snags.

After looking up Max Pump and your reply here I went to grab some to try but Orbit doesn't have it yet.
Putting in a request
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oh a wording issue I thought you were quarrying the stream of consciousness method Dylan:)
 
raz_kaz248 said:
ordered a bottle, let's wait and see how it goes
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I personally loved it. So much ive used ~6 bottles which is a lot for me for one product.

I have one coming in shortly as well. I get bulk TMG that I use on off days and MAX PUMP on training days.

Love it
 
I had a sample of Max Pump, never got anything from it though. I'd think you'd have to take it more than once to notice a difference though. Nitrates never have done much for me though except make me sleepy.
 
Jiigzz said:
I personally loved it. So much ive used ~6 bottles which is a lot for me for one product.

I have one coming in shortly as well. I get bulk TMG that I use on off days and MAX PUMP on training days.

Love it
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I agree, max pump is solid.

I need to get more.
 
As if NP needs anymore of my money, you people aren't helping.


You know it's a good pump product when you start feeling it doing compound movements
 
T-Bone said:
I had a sample of Max Pump, never got anything from it though. I'd think you'd have to take it more than once to notice a difference though. Nitrates never have done much for me though except make me sleepy.
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Normally, around day five(ish), you'll feel its maximum effects (not that it tapers off from there, but it's when you'll feel "saturated", if you will). It's pretty good stuff.
 
If its anything like creatine nitrate then according to neuron's breakdown on bb.com there would be no benefit to taking betaine and nitrate together since they break apart in the stomach and go their separate ways. Like I started taking this White Pump that I just bought (which has betaine in it) and nutriguard potassium nitrate at the same time since the WP has vitamin C which you're supposed to take with nitrates. Anyways, I don't notice any difference whatsoever compared to when I took betaine like with my meals hours away from nitrates. Basically, I haven't heard of any moa where betaine would make nitrates work better or vice versa. Not a bad product just probably not any better than taking nitrates and then betaine separately
 
Quadzilla99 said:
If its anything like creatine nitrate then according to neuron's breakdown on bb.com there would be no benefit to taking betaine and nitrate together since they break apart in the stomach and go their separate ways. Like I started taking this White Pump that I just bought (which has betaine in it) and nutriguard potassium nitrate at the same time since the WP has vitamin C which you're supposed to take with nitrates. Anyways, I don't notice any difference whatsoever compared to when I took betaine like with my meals hours away from nitrates. Basically, I haven't heard of any moa where betaine would make nitrates work better or vice versa. Not a bad product just probably not any better than taking nitrates and then betaine separately
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I don't think anyone is claiming that at all.

It's just two solid ingredients for performance in a single supplement for a good price.
 
Quadzilla99 said:
If its anything like creatine nitrate then according to neuron's breakdown on bb.com there would be no benefit to taking betaine and nitrate together since they break apart in the stomach and go their separate ways. Like I started taking this White Pump that I just bought (which has betaine in it) and nutriguard potassium nitrate at the same time since the WP has vitamin C which you're supposed to take with nitrates. Anyways, I don't notice any difference whatsoever compared to when I took betaine like with my meals hours away from nitrates. Basically, I haven't heard of any moa where betaine would make nitrates work better or vice versa. Not a bad product just probably not any better than taking nitrates and then betaine separately
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Nitrate/amino acid compounds should have better water solubility than standalone amino acids, which could make for somewhat improved bioavailability.
 
Randomly throwing this out there:Been using TMG as a night time recovery aid before bed and works a little to well lol.For Intense recovery: quarter-half teaspoon tmg, 2 scoops biogro, TAG glutamine, 10-15b whey isolate and your good to go.Betaine seems to make me drowsy so I only do prebedtime and noticed sleep is considerable better. About 7-8$ for about a pound of the stuff. Might have posted this already in here can't remember.Perhaps tmg causes memory loss? Lol
 
Cerpintine said:
..So, reading through this thread--if one is doing an X-Factor Advanced run, should Beatine be avoided? I was just about to pick up a tub.
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You don't want to obsess over things. If you have concerns of them countering each other, then just use them away from each other. This goes for anything that may work against ArA - fish oil, Cissus, etc.
 
Spaniard said:
You don't want to obsess over things. If you have concerns of them countering each other, then just use them way from each other. This goes for anything that may work against ArA - fish oil, Cissus, etc.
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Interesting. Never woulda thought to avoid betaine during an ARA run. I usually dose my betaine 30-45 min pre workout... But it's versatile and the main goal is just to take it daily.
 
chedapalooza said:
Interesting. Never woulda thought to avoid betaine during an ARA run. I usually dose my betaine 30-45 min pre workout... But it's versatile and the main goal is just to take it daily.
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I never said that bro and didn't mean to elude to that. I'm not sure how pronounced the anti-inflammatory properties of Betaine are. What I was getting at is if he is worried to simply dose them apart
 
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