Alphamine/Alpha T2 side effects (SA2-A)

dpk33

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I just finished up my first week of Alphamine and Alpha-T2, but I've noticed some side effects. I am currently using the dosing scheme:

2 scoops alphamine/1 alphat2 (morning fasted, pre workout)
1 scoop alphamine/2 alphat2 (later)

When taken during the day, I feel fine. Sometimes I might get a light headache or a little nauseous, but this is bearable. However, I've noticed that when I take it preworkout, my heart pounds really hard and I get nauseous to the point where it is negatively impacting my workout and it's just an overall terrible feeling. I am assuming this is due to the Pausinystalia Johimbe Extract (SA2-A). Would this side effect go away with time, as I develop tolerance to it or is it just something I have to "put up with"/stop taking?

Btw, this is something I have experienced occasionally with PES Enhanced as well.
 
"2 scoops alphamine/1 alphat2 (morning fasted, pre workout)
1 scoop alphamine/2 alphat2 (later)"

Holy ****ing stimulants.... Yeah the reason your getting ****ing wired is because your taking alpha, WITH another pwo. Thats ****ing crazy your gonna redline yourself
 
retreathell said:
"2 scoops alphamine/1 alphat2 (morning fasted, pre workout)
1 scoop alphamine/2 alphat2 (later)"

Holy ****ing stimulants.... Yeah the reason your getting ****ing wired is because your taking alpha, WITH another pwo. Thats ****ing crazy your gonna redline yourself
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Alpha t2 doesn't have any stimulants what are you talking about

You're probably sensitive to the yohimbe.
Did you taper up the doses of alphamine or start at 3 scoops a day?
 
I know exactly what you mean about the workouts. If I am not careful and take Yohmbine products too close to a workout, in too high a dose, I get shakes, I'm cold, I feel sick, and I'm just generally messed up through the workout. It makes me feel weak.

Is this only effecting you during workouts? I know myself I can build a slight tolerance to lower doses of yohimbine - so maybe time will help. If you are only noticing it during workouts I would back off the doses prior to your workout, or take them well before your workout, or avoid it all together.
 
rosemont83 said:
Alpha t2 doesn't have any stimulants what are you talking about

You're probably sensitive to the yohimbe.
Did you taper up the doses of alphamine or start at 3 scoops a day?
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Yeah, I started with 3 scoops a day. Probably wasn't the best idea. Should I try to taper up the doses? If so, how should I go about it?

aaronuconn said:
It's most likely the an adverse reaction to the Yohimbe alkaloid. Happens to some people.
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Does this adverse reaciton ever go away?
 
Always start at a low dose to assess tolerance.

This side effect is common with people jumping in at too high a dose of yohimbe.
 
About 13 years ago I was in college and regularly used ECA products. I was using an ECA stack and decided to buy some Twinlab Yohimbine Fuel. I ordered a bottle and it came in one afternoon, so I opened it up and took a pill with my normal ECA product. That was the last pill I ever took of Twinlab Yohimbe Fuel. It had 18 mg of yohimbine per pill if I remember. I popped that pill around 3-4 PM and I was up all of that night, could NOT sleep, I went through all of my classes, and was up all of the next night. No matter what I tried, I could not fall asleep. It messed with me BIG time.

Shortly after I would use adipokinetix, which also had Yohimbine at a much lower dose and I was fine. I always figured it was the quality and dosage that were issues. It wasn't until years later that I started seeing people complain about it. Not saying they weren't complaining, just that I didn't see it :)

Moral of the story, Yohimbine can really mess some people up, even if they are used to taking large amounts of stimulants.
 
Just something to think about, I had great results from just 1 scoop in morning and 1 scoop in afternoon for the full tub, sometimes took Sun off. I was losing fat so well I didn't see a reason to add another scoop! I did use it with AT2
 
dpk33 said:
I just finished up my first week of Alphamine and Alpha-T2, but I've noticed some side effects. I am currently using the dosing scheme:

2 scoops alphamine/1 alphat2 (morning fasted, pre workout)
1 scoop alphamine/2 alphat2 (later)

When taken during the day, I feel fine. Sometimes I might get a light headache or a little nauseous, but this is bearable. However, I've noticed that when I take it preworkout, my heart pounds really hard and I get nauseous to the point where it is negatively impacting my workout and it's just an overall terrible feeling. I am assuming this is due to the Pausinystalia Johimbe Extract (SA2-A). Would this side effect go away with time, as I develop tolerance to it or is it just something I have to "put up with"/stop taking?

Btw, this is something I have experienced occasionally with PES Enhanced as well.
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I personally do not recommend taking Alphamine with AT2 at the same time. If you'd like to use both products I suggest spreading their doses out by 6 hours. For instance 1-2 scoops Alphamine in the morning and 1-2 Alpha-T2 in the evening.

When Alpha-T2 is combined with stimulant based products it is going to cause a decent amount of synergy that will make the stimulant based product stronger than compared to when you don't combine it with AT2. When you add that to physically increasing your heart rate through exercise, you are going to experience what you have described.

So for preworkout, I would personally use 1-2 scoops Alphamine, without Alpha-T2, and take your Alpha-T2 6-8 hours after (or before, if you workout late in the day)
 
nattydisaster said:
I personally do not recommend taking Alphamine with AT2 at the same time. If you'd like to use both products I suggest spreading their doses out by 6 hours. For instance 1-2 scoops Alphamine in the morning and 1-2 Alpha-T2 in the evening. When Alpha-T2 is combined with stimulant based products it is going to cause a decent amount of synergy that will make the stimulant based product stronger than compared to when you don't combine it with AT2. When you add that to physically increasing your heart rate through exercise, you are going to experience what you have described. So for preworkout, I would personally use 1-2 scoops Alphamine, without Alpha-T2, and take your Alpha-T2 6-8 hours after (or before, if you workout late in the day)
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Will also prolong your A-T2 run of course.
 
nattydisaster said:
I personally do not recommend taking Alphamine with AT2 at the same time. If you'd like to use both products I suggest spreading their doses out by 6 hours. For instance 1-2 scoops Alphamine in the morning and 1-2 Alpha-T2 in the evening.

When Alpha-T2 is combined with stimulant based products it is going to cause a decent amount of synergy that will make the stimulant based product stronger than compared to when you don't combine it with AT2. When you add that to physically increasing your heart rate through exercise, you are going to experience what you have described.

So for preworkout, I would personally use 1-2 scoops Alphamine, without Alpha-T2, and take your Alpha-T2 6-8 hours after (or before, if you workout late in the day)
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How come you don't recommend this dosage scheme. I've seen quite a few members of this forum use the dosing scheme previously mentioned with success. Also, if I were to only use one product, how should the dosing look?
 
dpk33 said:
How come you don't recommend this dosage scheme. I've seen quite a few members of this forum use the dosing scheme previously mentioned with success. Also, if I were to only use one product, how should the dosing look?
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Because you are stacking yohimbine and higenamine with more yohimbine and higenamine. Bit irresponsible for him to recommend it haha..
 
Putting yohimbine in a prop blend is so retarded. I don't get it. Not disclosing the amount adds no value and if there's one thing you wanna know the exact dose on its yohimbine/yohimbe
 
Quadzilla99 said:
Putting yohimbine in a prop blend is so retarded. I don't get it. Not disclosing the amount adds no value and if there's one thing you wanna know the exact dose on its yohimbine/yohimbe
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Keep in mind that the yohimbe extracts we are using are novel so customer would have no idea what dose they should be using, 1mg, 10mg?
 
Quadzilla99 said:
Putting yohimbine in a prop blend is so retarded. I don't get it. Not disclosing the amount adds no value and if there's one thing you wanna know the exact dose on its yohimbine/yohimbe
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Well - yohimbine is relatively cheap and effective. Not disclosing the amount can help you mask low doses of other products that may be more interesting, even if they may be less effective.

I just started a run of Norcodrene yesterday. I plan on an 8 week run at 3 pills/day, with a ramp up period of however long it takes. I am taking 2 scoops of ANS Diablo with the Norcodrene, which is definitely not recommended.

I got the Diablo last Friday and was using it all weekend. Even at 2 scoops twice/day I wasn't noticing much. I was awake and alert, but not stim'd feeling at all. I got my Norco yesterday afternoon and took 1 pill and waited 30 minutes, felt fine, so I took 2-scoops of Diablo. About 1 hour later, I was definitely stim'd out quite a bit. It seems to last for about 5-7 hours, no real crash though, it just kind of stops. I've dropped to the original plan - 1 scoop of Diablo w/ 1 Norco twice per day, and I'm still stimulated but it is manageable. The Norco is definitely a POWERFUL stimulant. I am impressed. 50 mg. of Ephedrine doesn't do this to me.

However, thinking about it today, Yohimbine is very rough on me, and most of the sides I experience are stimulant-type sides. It keeps me awake, makes me anxious, etc. I'm wondering if the Yohimbine extract in Norcodrene is A LOT more than it is in Alphamine, which I tolerated fairly well on my second run about a month ago. I'm a little disappointed that I don't know how much of each extract is in the proprietary blend because I am questioning if this product has more Yohimbine than we may want. I went with Diablo over Alphamine just to avoid the extra Yohimbine and I am glad I did. It would have killed me.

I am going to work my way up to 3 pills/day with 2 scoops of diablo. I really noticed very little from the diablo on its own, but the combination has me heating up, stimulated, awake, motivated, feeling good, etc. The appetite suppression is also very reasonable - strong but not so strong I feel sick. Almost feel sick, but I can eat.

I'm impressed with the Norcodrene in a nutshell - it is strong and requires some respect in its use.
 
bdcc said:
Keep in mind that the yohimbe extracts we are using are novel so customer would have no idea what dose they should be using, 1mg, 10mg?
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This may be true - but it would help us compare to your other products. In my case, I tolerate Alphamine with almost no sides even at 2 scoops. 1 pill of Norco had me wired, but I am taking it with a non-recommended stimulant also (Diablo) - but I know I am sensitive to the Y, and I avoided this for that reason. The Higenamine may also be the culprit - since it is in both products I am taking - but that is the only overlay.

I will try the Norco by itself and see what it does....to be fair....the classic problem with trying 2 supplements at once when you haven't used them each individually.
 
Im surprised you're having issues with T2 and Alphamine. I love Alpha T2. I typically stack it with clen (safer than taking t3) without problems..

Now I have a question...is yohimbe a stimulant? I take 15mg of yohimbe hcl every morning and don't feel anything. I assume it's working tho
 
ion26 said:
Im surprised you're having issues with T2 and Alphamine. I love Alpha T2. I typically stack it with clen (safer than taking t3) without problems.. Now I have a question...is yohimbe a stimulant? I take 15mg of yohimbe hcl every morning and don't feel anything. I assume it's working tho
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Yes it is. Remember, just because you can't "feel" it, doesn't mean it's not working.
 
Would taking theanine or taurine with Alpha-T2 possibly negate some of its effects from the yohimbine and higenamine?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Would taking theanine or taurine with Alpha-T2 possibly negate some of its effects from the yohimbine and higenamine?
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In my experience it helps; but again Yohimbe sides are very user dependant.
 
GreenMachineX said:
But by helping, could it be possible that it also affects some of its fat loss effects negatively?
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It has no effects on the fat-loss mechanisms it just helps with hydration and electrolyte balance to prevent cramping
 
mr.cooper69 said:
That's really odd. We include bacopa in the formula which is a pretty potent anxiolytic
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It's not anxiety really; I just don't like stimulation much at all. I've been taking it about a week now and today tried 2 caps and handling it fine. It was just trying to ramp up to quickly I believe.
For the record, I don't even drink coffee.
 
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