How does my first cycle (Epi) look?

acethetics

acethetics

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Goal:
-Recomp - Currently at around 15% BF, looking to get down to 12% while adding 5-7lbs LBM

Pre-Cycle
-Load Hawthorne and Milk thistle for 1 week

Cycle
-EP15TANE by Olympus Labs 6 weeks @ 30/45/45/45/45/45
-AR1MACARE PRO 6 weeks @ 2/3/3/3/3/3
-Already taking Orange Triad, Fish oil, D3, and ZMA... Will continue for entire cycle and PCT
-Creatine mono 5g/day
-Taurine 4-6g/day if needed

Post-Cycle
-Nolva 4 weeks @ 20/20/10/10
-SUP3R PCT 4 weeks @ 4/4/3/3/2/1
-DAA 4 weeks 3g/day
-OT, Fish oil, D3, ZMA continued...
-Creatine mono 5g/day


Please let me know if there's anything you think I should change or add!
 
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Also:
-if you have discount codes for anything I listed
-if you can recommend me better/cheaper alternatives

pls lmk
 
Everything seems fine to me!

I think the 3% bf drop and the 6-10lb lbm goal is kinda far fetched, but your cycle / pct is good!
 
Save some money and just pick up the EP15TANE perfect cycle at one of our retailers. You're preloading with milk thistle?

Just grab 2 bottles of the AR1MACARE PRO and take as follows if you believe in pre-loading:
AR1MACARE PRO : 4/4/4/4/4/4/4
EP15TANE : 0/2/3/3/3/3/3
SUP3R PCT 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/4/4/4/4
with a SERM of your choice..
 
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acethetics said:
Goal:
-Recomp - Currently at around 15% BF, looking to get down to 12% while adding 6-10lbs LBM

Pre-Cycle
-Load Cycle Support by AI Sports Nutrition 1 week @ 1scoop/day?
or
-Load Hawthorne and Milk thistle (recommend me dosages) for 1 week?

Cycle
-EP15TANE by Olympus Labs 6 weeks @ 30/45/45/45/45/45
-Cycle Support by AI Sports Nutrition @ 2 scoops/day
-Already taking Orange Triad, Fish oil, D3, and ZMA... Will continue for entire cycle and PCT
-Creatine mono 5g/day
-Taurine 4-6g/day if needed

Post-Cycle
-Nolva 4 weeks @ 20/20/10/10
-Cycle Support by AI Sports Nutrition 3 weeks @ 1scoop/day
-DAA 4 weeks 3g/day
-OT, Fish oil, D3, ZMA continued...
-Creatine mono 5g/day
-Maybe an OTC PCT? need some advice on this, seems like a waste of money to me... (PCT assist, Erase, Revolution PCT, etc)

Please let me know if there's anything you think I should change or add!
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DAA and NOLVA is all you should need for PCT
 
looks like a solid plan. I'm thinking about picking up the EP15TANE perfect cycle from nutriverse. its pretty cheap there right now with the discount
 
biggold said:
yeah actually think I'm ordering it tonight lol
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Sounds good. I'd recommend to taper the SUP3R PCT down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound. 4/4/3/3/2/1 works just fine and one bottle is enough.

Throwing in some sodium-D-aspartate like SNS DAA can't hurt either. It's cheap and it works :)
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Sounds good. I'd recommend to taper the SUP3R PCT down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound. 4/4/3/3/2/1 works just fine and one bottle is enough.

Throwing in some sodium-D-aspartate like SNS DAA can't hurt either. It's cheap and it works :)
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^ good way to do it.

You'll have a swell(swole) time.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Sounds good. I'd recommend to taper the SUP3R PCT down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound. 4/4/3/3/2/1 works just fine and one bottle is enough.

Throwing in some sodium-D-aspartate like SNS DAA can't hurt either. It's cheap and it works :)
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Thanks bro Ill be sending you a PM soon, just gotta raise my post count!
 
Just ordered my EP15TANE perfect cycle from Nutri-Verse

All I need now is my Nolva and other amenities, and I'll be good to go!

I'll be sure to write a log and review!
 
LiftBigC said:
Subscribed.

Did I miss stats?
Age, weight, training history?
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20, 5'6, 145
3 years lifting experience

Already know people are gonna give me **** about age or stats, but I honestly don't care :)
 
acethetics said:
20, 5'6, 145
3 years lifting experience

Already know people are gonna give me **** about age or stats, but I honestly don't care :)
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So u want to lose 4.5lbs of fat mass and gain 6-10lbs of lean tissue?

So anywhere from 1.5 - 5.5lbs heavier than u started.

You'll have to do lots of cardio and take bunches of Leucine or BCAA's and other fat burning supps to make that happen.

Keep protein intake very high.
 
edje007 said:
^ good way to do it.

You'll have a swell(swole) time.
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I have a couple of weeks before beginning my PCT, Is Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 perhaps better than the D-Pol I was going to take for my PCT? Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 seems like the real deal from everything I have read.
 
fueledpassion said:
So u want to lose 4.5lbs of fat mass and gain 6-10lbs of lean tissue?

So anywhere from 1.5 - 5.5lbs heavier than u started.

You'll have to do lots of cardio and take bunches of Leucine or BCAA's and other fat burning supps to make that happen.

Keep protein intake very high.
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Okay, maybe those goals are a bit unrealistic.

I will be doing HIIT, eating around maintenance cals, low-mid complex carbs, mid fats, high protein.
 
adeeil said:
I have a couple of weeks before beginning my PCT, Is Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 perhaps better than the D-Pol I was going to take for my PCT? Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 seems like the real deal from everything I have read.
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Do you have a serm? That's more important than those supps.
 
edje007 said:
Do you have a serm? That's more important than those supps.
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Yes, Tamoxifen, PCT that came with my PH, and was going to go with either Test360 or the D-Pol I have but after reading on the TCF-1, I am interested in using that instead of the D-Pol. I also have the usual multi's, fish oil and so on.

On your website, which is very nicely done, is the ELIM1NATE a stand alone PCT or just something you can take with the SERM? Also the STR3NGTH by Olympus Labs is another product that would work well with my PCT, could I stack that with the TCF-1 or D-Pol?
 
adeeil said:
Yes, Tamoxifen, PCT that came with my PH, and was going to go with either Test360 or the D-Pol I have but after reading on the TCF-1, I am interested in using that instead of the D-Pol. I also have the usual multi's, fish oil and so on.

On your website, which is very nicely done, is the ELIM1NATE a stand alone PCT or just something you can take with the SERM? Also the STR3NGTH by Olympus Labs is another product that would work well with my PCT, could I stack that with the TCF-1 or D-Pol?
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SUP3R PCT is better than ELIM1NATE for PCT. STR3NGTH may be helpful too. And you can stack TCF-1 or D-Pol with them.

I'd run a PCT this way:
- Nolva 20/20/10/10
- SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1 (taper down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound)
- STR3NGTH 3-4 caps/day
- TCF-1, D-Pol or DAA like the bottle recommends

I'm actually running a PCT that consists of SUP3R PCT, STR3NGTH and SERMs as we speak: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/246822-log-olympus-labs.html
 
g0hardorgohom said:
SUP3R PCT is better than ELIM1NATE for PCT. STR3NGTH may be helpful too. And you can stack TCF-1 or D-Pol with them.

I'd run a PCT this way:
- Nolva 20/20/10/10
- SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1 (taper down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound)
- STR3NGTH 3-4 caps/day
- TCF-1, D-Pol or DAA like the bottle recommends

I saw that you are running a PCT that consists of SUP3R PCT, STR3NGTH and SERMs as we speak: I was reading your log just a few minutes ago, very interesting and helpful thread, it looks like TCF-1 is hard to find and primordial performance is all out so it looks like D-Pol. THanks for your advice. I ordered the STR3NGTH and SUP3R PCT.
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adeeil said:
g0hardorgohom said:
SUP3R PCT is better than ELIM1NATE for PCT. STR3NGTH may be helpful too. And you can stack TCF-1 or D-Pol with them.

I'd run a PCT this way:
- Nolva 20/20/10/10
- SUP3R PCT 4/4/3/3/2/1 (taper down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound)
- STR3NGTH 3-4 caps/day
- TCF-1, D-Pol or DAA like the bottle recommends

I saw that you are running a PCT that consists of SUP3R PCT, STR3NGTH and SERMs as we speak: I was reading your log just a few minutes ago, very interesting and helpful thread, it looks like TCF-1 is hard to find and primordial performance is all out so it looks like D-Pol. THanks for your advice. I ordered the STR3NGTH and SUP3R PCT.
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Yeah Primordial Performance has been out of the game for some time already but D-Pol or for example SNS DAA are good options too.
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Thanks for the advice. Why don't people use Erase Pro when on PCT? It seems to do a lot all in one? One more question, while on cycle, my appetite has been rather sluggish. I still do my normal 5-6 meals a day but dont have the appetite most of the time but still force myself to eat. Any reason for this or something I can take to help?
 
adeeil said:
Thanks for the advice. Why don't people use Erase Pro when on PCT? It seems to do a lot all in one? One more question, while on cycle, my appetite has been rather sluggish. I still do my normal 5-6 meals a day but dont have the appetite most of the time but still force myself to eat. Any reason for this or something I can take to help?
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Erase pro is expensive as fuk. Basically the same thing as erase just you only have to take 1 cap.
 
adeeil said:
Thanks for the advice. Why don't people use Erase Pro when on PCT? It seems to do a lot all in one? One more question, while on cycle, my appetite has been rather sluggish. I still do my normal 5-6 meals a day but dont have the appetite most of the time but still force myself to eat. Any reason for this or something I can take to help?
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Erase Pro works too of course. New formula doesn't do anything to cortisol though if I'm not mistaken.

My appetite sucks on cycle too. Drink more water and up your support supps, it may help.
 
Thanks for the quick replies, even though I read a lot, nothing is better than advice from people who have been through it before. Love the site and can't wait to try the Olympic Labs Strength and Pct.

I saw the Erase Pro for around $35 but it is expensive compared to D-Pol but having only tried a couple supplements, I am always trying to learn about new and better supplements.
 
adeeil said:
Thanks for the quick replies, even though I read a lot, nothing is better than advice from people who have been through it before. Love the site and can't wait to try the Olympic Labs Strength and Pct.

I saw the Erase Pro for around $35 but it is expensive compared to D-Pol but having only tried a couple supplements, I am always trying to learn about new and better supplements.
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Don't compare Erase Pro to D-Pol. Two different kind of supplements. Erase Pro is closer to SUP3R PCT. No point in stacking those two, you need SOME estrogen in your body.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
Don't compare Erase Pro to D-Pol. Two different kind of supplements. Erase Pro is closer to SUP3R PCT. No point in stacking those two, you need SOME estrogen in your body.
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Isn't the old erase more like el1minate? There identical.
 
Hazard5150 said:
how come more people dont suggest this and push for a OTC PCT
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On this board, its usually the other way around. People push for a SERM. Anyways OTC stuff works marginally and really is only effective for a working endocrine system. Most OTC stuff is better at reducing suppression via reducing oxidative stress on testes.

When I took PCT assist from CEL, it raised my T levels from 220 to about 320 and gave slight uptick in sex drive. Thats it. Clomid on the other hand would put it at 600+.
 
fueledpassion said:
On this board, its usually the other way around. People push for a SERM. Anyways OTC stuff works marginally and really is only effective for a working endocrine system. Most OTC stuff is better at reducing suppression via reducing oxidative stress on testes.

When I took PCT assist from CEL, it raised my T levels from 220 to about 320 and gave slight uptick in sex drive. Thats it. Clomid on the other hand would put it at 600+.
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i meant ontop of the serm. usually most people say to run a serm (common sense) and a otc ptc like rehab sup3r pct ect. but I've been seeing where people are suggesting to run SERM + DAA only..

I've also seen when people run the DAA it causes rebound gyno but when you run a OTC PCT with AI you need to taper off to avoid rebound. any input?
Whats the best way to avoid rebound gyno?
 
Hazard5150 said:
i meant ontop of the serm. usually most people say to run a serm (common sense) and a otc ptc like rehab sup3r pct ect. but I've been seeing where people are suggesting to run SERM + DAA only..

I've also seen when people run the DAA it causes rebound gyno but when you run a OTC PCT with AI you need to taper off to avoid rebound. any input?
Whats the best way to avoid rebound gyno?
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Well, I have never had gyno issues during or aftet PCT. I cant say. Only time I have gyno issues is with supraphysiological levels of T or a flux of T.

PCT never brings a flux of T. Its a gradual increase back to normal. OTC Formestane works just fine. Somewhere between 75-125mg per day would keep estrogen in control.
 
Should I look into buying BLR Formeron in addition to my PCT?

Or is it unnecessary for epi?
 
acethetics said:
Should I look into buying BLR Formeron in addition to my PCT?

Or is it unnecessary for epi?
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It's good to have it on hand but I wouldn't use it unless needed because of potential suppression due to conversion to 4-hydroxytestosterone.
 
I'm curious as to how people are actually getting Nolvadex. It's prescription only, right? Are you guys going to your doctor and telling them you take pro-hormones so they'll prescribe this? I guess I'm just confused as to how that works.
 
Mosesport said:
I'm curious as to how people are actually getting Nolvadex. It's prescription only, right? Are you guys going to your doctor and telling them you take pro-hormones so they'll prescribe this? I guess I'm just confused as to how that works.
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No.

They do research.
 
Mosesport said:
Yes. Me asking the question is me doing research. I can't find answers if I don't ask.
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I had trouble with this at first also. Nolva is also known as tamoxifen and clomid is known as clomiphene. Once I learned this I started clicking on banners you see on AM and found a couple places that sell them. Good luck.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
It's good to have it on hand but I wouldn't use it unless needed because of potential suppression due to conversion to 4-hydroxytestosterone.
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Damn I am glad this conversation came up as I bought some Formeron for my PCT. I was hoping to be able to use it but I guess i wont now lol.
 
adeeil said:
Damn I am glad this conversation came up as I bought some Formeron for my PCT. I was hoping to be able to use it but I guess i wont now lol.
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Many people use it during PCT with success but I only like to take it on cycle with aromatizing compounds.
 
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