new formula erase pro
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thebigt
Legend
correct...i was using formestane products and decided to try new erase pro instead...like formestane, i felt increased libido and no joint pain but noticed some bloating and water retention when using erase pro, it does not seem to keep me quite as dry as formestane or arimistane, at least not at this dose. it is my honest opinion that a slightly higher dose would work best for me...keep in mind that i am assuming a slightly higher dose would not increase sides.
T-Bone
Banned
Doesn't the new Erase Pro have some different benefits than the old one without the joint issues?. I could never afford to take double the dosage of the new Erase Pro. I had joint problems with the last one. I am planning on using the new Erase Pro soon though. Think it will work much better for me this time around. When I tried Erase Pro I couldn't stay on it, even with every other day dosing my joints just couldn't handle it. Looking forward to trying it out.
thebigt
Legend
i think you are misunderstanding me...i am seeing benefits from the new formula without the nasty sides of arimistane, but for ME the dose seems on the slight side...that is why i said that a 2-3 cap dose with 50% more actives would be nice so that people could adjust dose to their personal needs....for YOU the 1 cap dose could just be the perfect dose for YOU....but like i said before, one size does not fit all...not trying to punk the product, i am sincerely trying to be helpful!!!!
bdcc
Legend
Thanks for the feedback, Tom.
Cyrus has outlined possibilities of why someone may need a higher or lower dose to achieve the same effect.
We are confident with our dosing scheme for the majority of individuals. It is in the same way other people used 50mg or 100mg of Erase due to physiological differences.
By no means did I think you were being offensive. If everyone on this forum had your approach to feedback it would be a happier place.
Cyrus has outlined possibilities of why someone may need a higher or lower dose to achieve the same effect.
We are confident with our dosing scheme for the majority of individuals. It is in the same way other people used 50mg or 100mg of Erase due to physiological differences.
By no means did I think you were being offensive. If everyone on this forum had your approach to feedback it would be a happier place.
thebigt
Legend
Thanks for the feedback, Tom.
Cyrus has outlined possibilities of why someone may need a higher or lower dose to achieve the same effect.
We are confident with our dosing scheme for the majority of individuals. It is in the same way other people used 50mg or 100mg of Erase due to physiological differences.
By no means did I think you were being offensive. If everyone on this forum had your approach to feedback it would be a happier place.
sometimes peoples intentions get misinterpreted online, just wanted to be clear where i was coming from!!!
with that said, i was thinking of reordering more erase pro, since 1 is on the slight side i was considering also ordering a regular erase. what do you and the maestro think of 1/1?
btw-thanks for the good words!!!
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Thanks for the feedback, Tom.
Cyrus has outlined possibilities of why someone may need a higher or lower dose to achieve the same effect.
We are confident with our dosing scheme for the majority of individuals. It is in the same way other people used 50mg or 100mg of Erase due to physiological differences.
By no means did I think you were being offensive. If everyone on this forum had your approach to feedback it would be a happier place.
People use 100 mg's of the arimistane Erase? Ouch.
mr.cooper69
Legend
1/1 with the normal Erase (not 1/1 with EP for both doses) should work fine for you. Again, thanks to the inclusion of uncaria in BOTH versions, we have eliminated the whole "joint pain" with higher doses-effect. To get a higher dose of the AI, you need a higher dose of the uncaria because it's a package deal...which works out very well for those seeking to experiment with higher doses
thebigt
Legend
thanks, maestro....i have 8 caps left of new epro, so i will be reordering new epro AND new erase in the next few days. can't decide on which to get to go with them, either alphamine or norcodrene??? heard a lot about alphamine and been wanting to try it for awhile now...but norcodrene has amentoflavone and i really like uncut, kinda want to compare norcodrene to uncut!!!
mr.cooper69
Legend
thebigt
Legend
God that's a tough choice if you haven't had either. Let the sales guide you
in that case norcodrene wins...it looks like a upgraded version of uncut, at least i hope it is!!! amentoflavone is a nice ingredient!!!
EatMoar
Well-known member
Just got mine in the mail. Going to take 2 caps of erase upon waking, 3G daa upon waking With 1 cap ldopa morning/preform out/bed.
NattyForLife
Well-known member
Thats how i take it. I dont eat for about 2 hours after my dose.
thebigt
Legend
did you try with food?
NattyForLife
Well-known member
abformulations
Legend
Erase was always better without food.
thebigt
Legend
so is the new epro...i have tried it both with food and on empty, empty gives noticeably better results, at least that has been my experience!!!!
abformulations
Legend
Good to know. How will you compare the old to the new? Besides dry joints.
abformulations
Legend
Either or.
NattyForLife
Well-known member
Either would work great.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
You can take it for a bulk, a cut, or a recomp. All three scenarios could benefit from controlling estrogen.
thebigt
Legend
new is more subtle than og, seems like it takes longer to build in system and the drying out isn't as good with the new as with og. i think it might be slightly underdosed for guys my size......those are the cons....now for the pros...libido is increased almost on par with formestane, og killed my libido...no noticeable change in joint pain over what i usually experience[at 55]....og killed my joints.
i have a 2nd bottle of epro and a bottle of erase coming fedex tomorrow, i am going to go ahead and try 1/1. hopefully the benefits increase and the sides don't!!!
abformulations
Legend
Hmmmmm. That's what I likes about the og erase on the drying out effects.
Libido always increased with the og in the beginning than it diminished after two weeks or so as you said.
From my understanding it might be best to run two bottles back to back.
Looking forward to your 1/1 run. That's probably what I will run when I do.
thebigt
Legend
yeah, i think pes's main goal was to keep sides low since so many complained of sore joints. i really think 1/1 would be the perfect dose, for me anyways!!!
NattyForLife
Well-known member
Really would like to know how that goes! So correct me if im wrong, your gonna be taking 100mg perday instead of the 75mg?
thebigt
Legend
i guess you are talking about abieta-8...if so i am not sure of the mg.
1epro
1erase
both taken on an empty 1st thing in morning..... unless cooper or nattyd thinks it best to split them?
NattyForLife
Well-known member
Yes, Erase pro is 75mg and regular erase is 25mg, so you would be taking a total of 100mgs per day.
thebigt
Legend
i will take your word on it, lol....i don't think there is any harm in doing this, i have already discussed it with cooper.
kbayne
Legend
This is for OG Erase and OG Erase Pro. 300mg (Erase) and 700 mg (Erase Pro) per cap are new bottles.
thebigt
Legend
damn...i thought he was talking about abieta-8, not arimistane, lol.
bdcc
Legend
We get requested this a lot. Some people have implied that us keeping this information is a big conspiracy lol.
We have done testing in house on various ingredients.
Please keep in mind that any supplement company needs to be very cautious over what claims they can make towards a product. Stating blood work for estrogen control may not be the most sensible option.
Just this week, another supplement company has announced they are removing all claims on all products for this very reason. We stand behind the ingredients in the new version, put it that way.
The Solution
Legend
We get requested this a lot. Some people have implied that us keeping this information is a big conspiracy lol.
We have done testing in house on various ingredients.
Please keep in mind that any supplement company needs to be very cautious over what claims they can make towards a product. Stating blood work for estrogen control may not be the most sensible option.
Just this week, another supplement company has announced they are removing all claims on all products for this very reason. We stand behind the ingredients in the new version, put it that way.
how about this
i get bloodwork next month
want me to hold off on the Erase Pro till then, get it drawn and then run a bottle or two?
what you say bdcc
i know i got my log going, but i can just introduce the Alpha T2 and Alphamine soon and then hold on the erase
thoughts?? At least you aint making claims for 15 pounds of lean mass in 3 months haha
tyrub42
Well-known member
This would be appreciated by everyone I'm sure! Get your before bloodwork, log the two bottles, then get your after bloodwork and post. That would be awesome to see!
The Solution
Legend
Absolutely, just depends if Ben and the crew want me to do so.
what levels do you particularly want me to check?
tyrub42
Well-known member
E2 mostly. Test also if possible. Since the new formula isn't geared towards lowering cortisol (it isn't, right?), I guess there isn't much of a point in checking that. I am on the old formula Erase Pro for the first time right now (day 10). I have to say I feel pretty good and have been eating horribly since I started, but I haven't put on any body fat. I can't wait to see how it ends up, but I am also a little nervous that the formula has changed. You getting your blood work done and posting the results would probably help reassure a lot of the fans of the old formula that are nervous about the change. Either way thanks for considering it!
The Solution
Legend
I would not post it publicly, i would probably email to ben/cooper/josh and just give the gist of the levels and changes. bdcc
JudoJosh bolt10 nattydisaster
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
I can only encourage you to get bloods done for your own record. I can not encourage you to get them done in an attempt to prove the effectiveness of erase pro. I am unsure if that would violate FTC regulations. That would be something that natty would have to comment on.
Everyone hear needs to understand the position the company is in. FTC regulations dictate the type of claims and how we advertise and with the events that have happened in the past it is best for a company to not try and enter in any sort of grey area.
As for Erase, I stand behind the product. The literature supports it and anecdotal evidence (reviews) are coming in and are supporting what the literature says. If someone is curious or wants to know for themselves then by all means get lab work done. I encourage this. But as a representative of PES I can not suggest someone get labs done in order to prove a claim to everyone else.
Hope you guys understand
Everyone hear needs to understand the position the company is in. FTC regulations dictate the type of claims and how we advertise and with the events that have happened in the past it is best for a company to not try and enter in any sort of grey area.
As for Erase, I stand behind the product. The literature supports it and anecdotal evidence (reviews) are coming in and are supporting what the literature says. If someone is curious or wants to know for themselves then by all means get lab work done. I encourage this. But as a representative of PES I can not suggest someone get labs done in order to prove a claim to everyone else.
Hope you guys understand
The Solution
Legend
thats the thing i get bloods done almost 3-4x a year for myself and my records, but since the timing would be next month for bloods i could do it with the erase and get it done and then compare the bloods to see what it truly does/brings.
Just asking. thats all.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Go for it!
I just cant say go for it in the context of proving effectiveness but I can say go for it in the context of personal curiosity
I am not trying to discourage you from getting labs so I hope that is not how I came across. This is just my understanding of FTC regulations but again I can be completely wrong here.
I also routinely get labs done for personal records. Do you use privateMDlabs as well?
Aleksandar37
Well-known member
It's always great to see blood work, but even more so to inspire others to get their own done. There have been threads where people think that supplement companies are hiding something by not having a study performed with blood work performed, while not understanding that clinical trials use thousands of patients in their studies. Personally, I'd like to see how this works out for you.
kissdadookie
Well-known member
Go for it!
I just cant say go for it in the context of proving effectiveness but I can say go for it in the context of personal curiosity
I am not trying to discourage you from getting labs so I hope that is not how I came across. This is just my understanding of FTC regulations but again I can be completely wrong here.
I also routinely get labs done for personal records. Do you use privateMDlabs as well?
Legally speaking, if a user whom is not affiliated with you or under contract with you (you as in the company), the user can make claims and what not, post bloods, etc. as long as the user is 1) not endorsing a product with the intention to profit and 2) not making the claims as if they were claims coming directly from the company. I don't see how this would step on any FTC regulations since all this would be is an independent individual public voicing his/her opinion.
The company itself simply is not allowed to take the accounts of these independent opinions and use it as part of claims for product XYZ which they are selling.
Basically, Bob their can post up his bloods and voice his thoughts on how well the product works from now to whenever, you guys just can't jump on his communications and use them as a means of making claims on the product.
JudoJosh
Pro Virili Parte
Correct.
I was not saying he cant, I was saying as a rep I cant publicly support it within the context of making a claim. I can and did support it for the sake of satisfying his own curiosity.
Reading Bobs post it read as though he was asking for an endorsement from us to get labs to prove erase pro lowed e2, so my post was mostly me explaining that we can not publicly support it in that context. That is at least according to my understanding of the law which matches your post