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Has anyone tried taking a higher dose? Currently I have started taking 2.5g a day and was wondering if the results would be enhanced at 5g
Why not just stick with 2.5 grams? That is the dose that was used in the study and showed great benefits.Has anyone tried taking a higher dose? Currently I have started taking 2.5g a day and was wondering if the results would be enhanced at 5g
Max Pump. I think the 4 cap dose gets you efficacious dosing of both nitrates and betaine. Any Finaflex reps care to confirm?Pill form is more convenient to me. Waiting on SNS.
Should be out in the near future.Pill form is more convenient to me. Waiting on SNS.
In4 Betaine XT..Should be out in the near future.
I noticed some initially, but it wasn't horrible and seemed to subside with continued use.I'm actually looking to do a dose response study with 2.5g as the top, and then exploring .5 and 1.5g, hopefully this summer.
Did you notice any GI distress Bolt10?
Same here though I tried 7grams on an empty stomach...not a good idea.I noticed some initially, but it wasn't horrible and seemed to subside with continued use.
Even 3.75g gave me issues.Same here though I tried 7grams on an empty stomach...not a good idea.
Why so much?I do 6 grams a day with no issues
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Cause more is always better duh!. It's why you take 6 ibuprofen instead of 1 when you have pain. That way you get double the pain relief!.Why so much?
Why not? For every supplement except perhaps creatine and beta alanine the most efficient doses have never been established. Could very well get much better results from 5-6 grams and its not a really expensive supp. Like why on Earth would you not experiment with higher doses if you have the money and feel inclined to. Its not like we have any proof that 2.5 grams is the maximum effective doseWhy so much?
Or perhaps there is a toxiological bell curve that exists.Why not? For every supplement except perhaps creatine and beta alanine the most efficient doses have never been established. Could very well get much better results from 5-6 grams and its not a really expensive supp. Like why on Earth would you not experiment with higher doses if you have the money and feel inclined to
That happens with fenugreek, but I've never had it happen w/ TMG and I've been using it consistently at approx. 2.5 g per day for a year.Weird question, but has anyone else noticed or been told they smell like maple syrup while using TMG? I'm 3 weeks in using 3g/day...my wife tells me I smell like that, life it's coming out of my pores...it's been really the only thing I've added in...though I'm also using alphamine, which makes me sweat pretty easily...
And that's what I recall about fenugreek...and forgot I've been using a gifted bottle of Slintensity (1-2 caps/day) for the last 3 weeks as well...wouldn't have thought that'd be it as I've been using Glycophase for the last several months...interesting...That happens with fenugreek, but I've never had it happen w/ TMG and I've been using it consistently at approx. 2.5 g per day for a year.
I suppose the Slintensity could do it; but that doesn't seem like enough fenugreek to have that as an outcome - but that is just a guess. Based on what you've said, it must be.And that's what I recall about fenugreek...and forgot I've been using a gifted bottle of Slintensity (1-2 caps/day) for the last 3 weeks as well...wouldn't have thought that'd be it as I've been using Glycophase for the last several months...interesting...
I just don't know if an extract of a product (even if high in percentage) would have the same attributes (smell, in this case) as the original, un-extracted product.Slintensity has a high % extract though.
That is my going theory, coupled with using alphamine 2x's/day, and the sweats/Internal heat it creates, amplifying the fenugreek...could be totally making that up, lol...but I'm dropping both as of yesterday and see if the smell leaves..Slintensity has a high % extract though.
Great to know, thanks BigG! Hopefully bumping up my water intake the next several days will help clear it out faster...I read another person on here months ago who claimed of smelling like maple syrup while on Slintensity. This isn't the first case.
a little late to this party, but sure I will confirm that rumorMax Pump. I think the 4 cap dose gets you efficacious dosing of both nitrates and betaine. Any Finaflex reps care to confirm?
Good deal, thanks for your input, kind sirI like the smell of maple syrup....
but no - this is not indicative nor an effect of TMG usage, in any way/shape/form
don't know anything about slintensity personally, but my logical hypothesis would be it perhaps contains more fen than what they list, or you are individually susceptible to that side-effect from that particular compound
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/226986-too-much-betaine.html#post3918363Or perhaps there is a toxiological bell curve that exists.
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Why not? For every supplement except perhaps creatine and beta alanine the most efficient doses have never been established. Could very well get much better results from 5-6 grams and its not a really expensive supp. Like why on Earth would you not experiment with higher doses if you have the money and feel inclined to. Its not like we have any proof that 2.5 grams is the maximum effective dose
Poor guy, ima move my dose down to 3 grams a day can't believe I'm half a gram from leaving my daughters fatherless smhI know a guy at the gym who died from Betaine poisoning. He took 6.5 grams..0.5 grams above the NOW recommendation and he exploded. RIP Betaine Bob, you knew how to live life except that you exceeded the imaginary bell curve into toxicity/spontaneous combustion. You should have headed the warnings from strangers on the internet with no research background in this compound...but no, you had to do things your way.
No research background on the topic? Really?I know a guy at the gym who died from Betaine poisoning. He took 6.5 grams..0.5 grams above the NOW recommendation and he exploded. RIP Betaine Bob, you knew how to live life except that you exceeded the imaginary bell curve into toxicity/spontaneous combustion. You should have headed the warnings from strangers on the internet with no research background in this compound...but no, you had to do things your way.
Yes, it appears to be safe in dosages upwards of 10g. However, the MOA is not a reduction in Hcy, and most people here shouldn't have excessively high Hcy levels as it is. The MOA appears to be either via the GH/IGF-1 axis, increased intramuscular hydration, or possibly through lipogenic gene expression inhibition. In any case, and even from animal studies (when generalized for body weight), it appears that dosages that work out to around 2-3 g are optimal.I'm guessing there are studies out there that use 3-6 grams to evaluate it's effect on high levels of homocysteine, and seeing that 6 grams was more effective use that as a recommendation. I doubt TMG would cause anything bad at that dose, other than the chance of fishy body odor being increased greatly.
I did have a question about choline and it being metabolized into TMG. If I take 3 grams of choline citrate, about how much of it would be metabolized into TMG? And would supplementation with TMG reduce how much choline is metabolized into TMG?
"Betaine Bob" - the best part of the entire thread.I know a guy at the gym who died from Betaine poisoning. He took 6.5 grams..0.5 grams above the NOW recommendation and he exploded. RIP Betaine Bob, you knew how to live life except that you exceeded the imaginary bell curve into toxicity/spontaneous combustion. You should have headed the warnings from strangers on the internet with no research background in this compound...but no, you had to do things your way.
Although I am not qualified to speak on behalf of NOW, I just did some calculations and came up with the following theory:What is NOW reasoning for recommending up to 6 grams a day ? There has to be a reason and I doubt they would recommend unsafe dosages
If and to the extent Hcy IS a concern, co-administering a multi methyl B-complex (I use Jarrow's "B-Right) addresses the homocysteine issue.Yes, it appears to be safe in dosages upwards of 10g. However, the MOA is not a reduction in Hcy, and most people here shouldn't have excessively high Hcy levels as it is. The MOA appears to be either via the GH/IGF-1 axis, increased intramuscular hydration, or possibly through lipogenic gene expression inhibition. In any case, and even from animal studies (when generalized for body weight), it appears that dosages that work out to around 2-3 g are optimal.
As for choline to betaine....I believe if you are supplementing with choline and TMG, then very little would be used to synthesize TMG. TMG has a choline sparing effect, and choline will only be used for TMG synthesis when either (or both) betaine and folate consumption is low.
Yes, it appears to be safe in dosages upwards of 10g. However, the MOA is not a reduction in Hcy, and most people here shouldn't have excessively high Hcy levels as it is. The MOA appears to be either via the GH/IGF-1 axis, increased intramuscular hydration, or possibly through lipogenic gene expression inhibition. In any case, and even from animal studies (when generalized for body weight), it appears that dosages that work out to around 2-3 g are optimal.
As for choline to betaine....I believe if you are supplementing with choline and TMG, then very little would be used to synthesize TMG. TMG has a choline sparing effect, and choline will only be used for TMG synthesis when either (or both) betaine and folate consumption is low.
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