tristen22001
Member
Does anyone see a problem with taking a supplement twice each day which contains 120 mg of Ginkgo Biloba, 15 mg of Vinpocetine and 75 mcg of Huperzine A? I'm hoping this would help with my brain fog and memory issues.
Herbal Supplement for Memory
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mr.cooper69
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A much more proven memory alternative is bacopa at full dose extracted for 50% bacopasides. Look into PES Alpha-T2 for this purpose
mtinsideout
Well-known member
I believe sulbutiamine is supposed to be good for long term memory but I haven't tried it myself yet. So far piracetam, apha gpc and focus XT (which contains both Vinpocetine and Huperzine A) has been helping me out a lot with brain fog and memory.
tristen22001
Member
Thank you everyone for your responses. I'm going to order some Bacopa to help with my memory. I read that Bacopa can make some people tired. So, should I combine it with Rhodiola Rosea (for energy) to offset this...or is this not a viable longterm solution since I've found it mentioned in many places that people develop a tolerance to Rhodiola Rosea? With regard to Vinpocetine, is there any harm with combining it with Ginkgo Biloba (such as too much thinning of the blood...especially at the indicated dosages) or would the Ginkgo not really even add anything of value to the mix?
bioman
Well-known member
Gingko is OK to add with Vinpo, just watch your dosage as both are vasodialators. Bacopa actually makes me feel alert. Taken with a cup of coffee in the morning, it helps me become more alert and focused. Adding Rhodiola might be too much of a good thing, but it shouldn't hurt anything. Just try each ingredient solo for awhile then work on combos.
tristen22001
Member
So, in your opinion would a dosage of 120 mg Ginkgo and 15 mg Vinpocetine (taken twice each day) fall within safe dosages? Also, I like the Huperzine A in the formula because I've noticed better results from that than from traditional choline sources (Alpha GPC, CDP Choline, etc.). So, I was thinking about just taking Huperzine A (75 mcg twice each day) and Acetyl L-Carnitine (1-2g per day) instead. Have you noticed if Bacopa improves your mood too? That's one of the reasons I might add Rhodiola (or St John's Wort...maybe both) is because I read it has mood and energy boosting results.
bioman
Well-known member
I would start with just one dose of Gingko/Vinpo per day and see how that works for you. Twice daily/the dose might result in a big headache.
So far, Bacopa has kept me in a pretty good mood, relaxed yet alert and overall cognition is improved...similar to ALCAR but with improved sleep instead of the sleep disturbances I get with any of the ALCARs. Rhodiola is also great for energy and mood, but for me it's a bit more of an amped feel compared to Bacopa. St. John's Wort takes a week or two to lift my mood and it does so nicely, however it gives me the worst insomnia ever. Like I said, try each ingredient separately and see where it takes you.
tristen22001
Member
Thank you Bioman. I appreciate you letting me pick your brain. All these herbal ingredients are very interesting but it's also difficult to find consistent information about them (which makes it even more beneficial to have someone like you on here to help confused people like me). So, based on what you mentioned above, you don't think a combination supplement with the ingredients listed below would be a good idea (that it would be better to try things seperately first)? I just like how it's only a single supplement that I would have to buy (at less than $0.50 per serving) which covers all the herbal ingredients I'm interested in.
St. John’s Wort Extract
(standardized to 0.3% hypericin and 3% hyperforin) (leaves) 450 mg *
Rhodiola rosea Root Extract
(standardized to 5% rosavin) (15% total polyphenols) 250 mg *
Sensoril® Withania somnifera
(minimum 8% withanolide glycoside conjugates and 32% oligosaccharides) (fresh roots and leaves) 125 mg *
Bacognize® (Bacopa monnieri
whole-herb extract) (standardized to 45% baccosides) 105 mg *
Posinol® Apocynum venetum Extract
(minimum 4% hyperoside and isoquercitrin) (leaf) 25 mg
St. John’s Wort Extract
(standardized to 0.3% hypericin and 3% hyperforin) (leaves) 450 mg *
Rhodiola rosea Root Extract
(standardized to 5% rosavin) (15% total polyphenols) 250 mg *
Sensoril® Withania somnifera
(minimum 8% withanolide glycoside conjugates and 32% oligosaccharides) (fresh roots and leaves) 125 mg *
Bacognize® (Bacopa monnieri
whole-herb extract) (standardized to 45% baccosides) 105 mg *
Posinol® Apocynum venetum Extract
(minimum 4% hyperoside and isoquercitrin) (leaf) 25 mg
bioman
Well-known member
Well, personally I like to experiment with single ingredients to get a feel of how they work for me ( I seem to be pretty sensitive to many herbs). Over the years I have learned to steer away from blends because one size does not fit all in terms of effective dose..particularly with noot type supplements. That blend you posted might be awesome..or it might be insomnia in a bottle. Can't tell until you try.
tristen22001
Member
You're right. That's a much smarter approach than trying too many new things at once. I'll start with bacopa (for mood and cognition benefits). Do you think that (250 mg @ 45%) combined with huperzine (100 mcg) and vinpocetine (10 mg) two or three times a day would be a good starter stack for daily (and possibly longterm) use? Huperzine and vinpocetine have been the only things that have really helped with my memory and brain fog in the past.
mw1
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Agreed- Huperzine A is the best ive found(& least expensive) for memory. Plus it has a lot of studies to back it up
mw1
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Piracetam produced very noticeable effects for myself.
tristen22001
Member
Personally, huperzine A is the only nootropic to provide a big impact. I also tried choline and aniracetam a few months ago. However, all it did was make me tired all the time. For me, nothing beats vinpocetine and huperzine a for focus and memory. I'm still trying to find the best long-term daily dose though. I'd also like to add a third item to stack to help with anxiety and mood issues. Currently leaning towards Bacopa.
Jiigzz
Legend
Were you using them in situations that required recall? Give huperzine a a try.
tristen22001
Member
Yes. I take 1 g of DHA and 500 mg of EPA daily.
R1balla
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i literally laughed out loud!
T-Bone
Banned
If you don't forget to take it, Invalid Link Removed has a huge 9800mg blend of "noots". You can't beat the price for what you get. Plus it has a 200mg dose of caffeine, in case you are worried about getting sleepy like you mentioned. If you take it consistantly it will have a cumlitive effect.
tristen22001
Member
Forget to take what?
tristen22001
Member
I previously tried Focus XT for a few months. While it definitely helped a lot with mood, focus and energy, it didn't seem to help me with the brain fog or memory issues.
Jiigzz
Legend
Taken daily? And always take noots prior to situations that require using your recall and memory.
Demiurge or other racetams might be another option
Focus XT stim free + enhanced would be an awesome combo
Sprinterguy4
Member
Has anybody ever tried the enhanced+FXT combo? Is it as amazing as it sounds?
tristen22001
Member
Daily for three months before work. After that I tried it (or another choline source) with various nootropics (oxiracetam, aniracetam, noopept, phenylracetam, picamilon, extra alcar, etc). The best combinaion was by far focus xt with picamilon.
Jiigzz
Legend
Sadly not together. But I do plan on doing so with my next X-gels run.
Thanks for the feedback!
That combo would be awesome.
tristen22001
Member
I just read a couple articles that mentioned vinpocetine decreasing dopamine levels. They didn't mention the dosage at which that occurs. Does anyone know if 30 mg per day of vinpocetine would be okay?
tristen22001
Member
Does anyone know if it's safe to take Huperzine A daily (200-300 mcg/day) on a long-term basis? I've found some sources that recommend cycling it and others that say it's okay for long-term daily use. I'm hoping someone on here has more experience with its use and maybe provide insight on the potential ramifications of long-term daily use.
mw1
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There was a study on long term usage(in adolescents I believe) I will find it later tonight for you
Spaniard
Well-known member
Just in general, it's a safe bet to err on the side of caution and cycle all supplements taken.
Jiigzz
Legend
This.
Some can be taken for the majority of the year, but all supplements should be cycled at some point.
tristen22001
Member
Which ones can be taken for a majority of the year? I've been seeing CDP Choline and Galantamine mentioned a lot lately. Would either of those be a better long-term option than Huperzine A?
