SNS X-GELS? Worth the buy or worthless?

Reading this stuff just really makes me want to run it despite the warnings that I shouldn't. Irritable bowel syndrome and Arthritis in my knees are the reasons. Hey, I could just get a walker and make sure I'm always near a bathroom!. Or there is always the option of attaching a bucket to my ass!.
 
Alright, about to pop an order for 2 bottles. Plan to order some LCLT along with it. Hope this is $100 well spent...

Dosing will be 4-6 gels + 1.5-2g of LCLT pwo. Might dose 1-2 gels on off days - not sure yet...
 
hyperCat said:
Alright, about to pop an order for 2 bottles. Plan to order some LCLT along with it. Hope this is $100 well spent...

Dosing will be 4-6 gels + 1.5-2g of LCLT pwo. Might dose 1-2 gels on off days - not sure yet...
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I would dose LCLT at 2-3 grams pre-workout. Will you be dosing GMS along with it?
 
hyperCat said:
Thought about it, gotta check the prices... if I don't do both GMS and LCLT, which one would be better to stack?
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GMS is pretty affordable. Look into Analyzed Supplements GMS or Controlled Labs GMS. If you were going to choose one over the other, I would go with GMS but would recommend stacking all three if possible.
 
kbayne said:
GMS is pretty affordable. Look into Analyzed Supplements GMS or Controlled Labs GMS. If you were going to choose one over the other, I would go with GMS but would recommend stacking all three if possible.
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Ah hell, may as well. Found some glycergrow. Normally don't run natty stacks this expensive, but it does sound like a damn good combination. All the reviews sound stellar, so hopefully this doesn't turn out too underwhelming...
 
hyperCat said:
Ah hell, may as well. Found some glycergrow. Normally don't run natty stacks this expensive, but it does sound like a damn good combination. All the reviews sound stellar, so hopefully this doesn't turn out too underwhelming...
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I hear ya man. Hope it goes well for you.
 
Thanks kbayne.

One other thing I haven't heard much about - do any of these have any negative impact on sleep? There will be 2-3 workouts a week where I'll be working out later in the evening (~7pm). Anyone have sleep issues with any of these products?
 
hyperCat said:
Thanks kbayne.

One other thing I haven't heard much about - do any of these have any negative impact on sleep? There will be 2-3 workouts a week where I'll be working out later in the evening (~7pm). Anyone have sleep issues with any of these products?
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I haven't heard any issues with sleep while on ArA.
 
I've quickly skimmed through this thread, and I don't know if it's been posted but this is worth the read if you're considring AA:

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I have no qualms against SNS and I think they're doing an awesome job. I'm even running their Bulbine at the moment with DAA and Erase (very potent stuff, by the way). I just thought I'd spread the information.
 
The Engineer said:
I've quickly skimmed through this thread, and I don't know if it's been posted but this is worth the read if you're considring AA:

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I have no qualms against SNS and I think they're doing an awesome job. I'm even running their Bulbine at the moment with DAA and Erase (very potent stuff, by the way). I just thought I'd spread the information.
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This applies to longterm consumption of ArA (e.g. the american diet is loaded with inflammatory foods that people consume over a lifetime). A 50 day run is no problem, and has data demonstrating its safety
 
mr.cooper69 said:
This applies to longterm consumption of ArA (e.g. the american diet is loaded with inflammatory foods that people consume over a lifetime). A 50 day run is no problem, and has data demonstrating its safety
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This. X-gels are not intended to be taken indefinitely and we encourage a break after 50 days of use. I also wouldn't use a site like that as a basis for supplement or biochemistry understanding; he delves a little bit into why aspartame is dangerous however there are ample safety studies done on it.

It also states that Inflammation is the root of all evil and being a prime causal factor in heart disease whereas some studies suggest otherwise: Invalid Link Removed
 
Jiigzz said:
This. X-gels are not intended to be taken indefinitely and we encourage a break after 50 days of use. I also wouldn't use a site like that as a basis for supplement or biochemistry understanding; he delves a little bit into why aspartame is dangerous however there are ample safety studies done on it.

It also states that Inflammation is the root of all evil and being a prime causal factor in heart disease whereas some studies suggest otherwise: Invalid Link Removed
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Conflicting studies everywhere, however I agree with 50 days being a good run time duration.
 
domore said:
If I didn't have surgery on my ankle and shoulder, I would give ArA a shot.
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As in you've got surgery upcoming? have had surgery on both already?

What were the surgeries for?

Having joint had joint issues should not preclude you entirely from using ArA depending on the exact injuries at hand.
 
aaronuconn said:
Think you'll give it a shot in the future?
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I would like to.

De__eB said:
As in you've got surgery upcoming? have had surgery on both already?

What were the surgeries for?

Having joint had joint issues should not preclude you entirely from using ArA depending on the exact injuries at hand.
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I already had surgery on both.

Both surgeries (labrum and complete blowout of my ankle) were reconstructive surgeries from my college ball days.

I'm still fighting inflammation in my ankle which is severely inhibiting my mobility, and thus hurting my Oly lifts. I just dislocated my shoulder twice in the past three months, too (some obvious underlying stability issues).
 
domore said:
I would like to.



I already had surgery on both.

Both surgeries (labrum and complete blowout of my ankle) were reconstructive surgeries from my college ball days.

I'm still fighting inflammation in my ankle which is severely inhibiting my mobility, and thus hurting my Oly lifts. I just dislocated my shoulder twice in the past three months, too (some obvious underlying stability issues).
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Ah, well in that case, yeah, ArA would be a bad idea unless you're a masochist.

Shoulder dislocated during your olympic lifts (jerk?) or during other exercise?
 
Mission1 said:
I can't take it anymore... Im going to place a order and getting some x gels. I'm so vulnerable to positive results from supplements. Lets call it round 1 with SNS.
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If I recall, you're as addicted to pump spray as I am...? PS + Xgels is quite the stack, think you'll be quite happy...
 
De__eB said:
Ah, well in that case, yeah, ArA would be a bad idea unless you're a masochist.

Shoulder dislocated during your olympic lifts (jerk?) or during other exercise?
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If I were a masochist, I would have been in my glory by using ArA right after my surgery.

I dislocated it while snatching. I don't have any issues during the jerk. I think the problem is exacerbated by arm angles in relation to the bar.
 
You could always dose at a much lower dosing if you eventually cave in to trying them lol start at 250mg and see how you feel. Just saying :S lol
 
domore said:
If I were a masochist, I would have been in my glory by using ArA right after my surgery.

I dislocated it while snatching. I don't have any issues during the jerk. I think the problem is exacerbated by arm angles in relation to the bar.
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Are you working with a coach on your Olympic lifts? If not, WHY?! Do you have any videos of you snatching? I'd be happy to take a look. You shouldn't be dislocating your shoulder when you snatch man.
 
Spaniard said:
Are you working with a coach on your Olympic lifts? If not, WHY?! Do you have any videos of you snatching? I'd be happy to take a look. You shouldn't be dislocating your shoulder when you snatch man.
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I have two coaches. I compete on the national level. The stability issues that resulted from my surgically repaired shoulder have been a burden. The surgeon had to anchor down my labrum with pins.
 
domore said:
I have two coaches. I compete on the national level. The stability issues that resulted from my surgically repaired shoulder have been a burden. The surgeon had to anchor down my labrum with pins.
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Good man glad to hear it! The coaches not the injuries lol... far too often people make the mistake of jumping into Olympic lifts without proper advisement. The US Olympic coach I interned with kept clients using the stick for weeks or months depending on how well they performed the movements and issues of inflexibility.
 
Spaniard said:
Good man glad to hear it! The coaches not the injuries lol... far too often people make the mistake of jumping into Olympic lifts without proper advisement. The US Olympic coach I interned with kept clients using the stick for weeks or months depending on how well they performed the movements and issues of inflexibility.
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Communities like /r/fitness are awful about stuff like this.

The constant preaching of 'OLYMPIC LIFTS ARE AWESOME EVERYONE SHOULD DO THEM' (don't get me wrong, they are, and most strength trainees can benefit from them) results in people who are novice lifters and not working with someone trained just going to the gym and trying to perform the lift.

The cringe-worthy injury-inevitable form I see some people using at the golds here is crazy.
 
Finishing up my 50 day run 25 days at 4 caps 25 days at 6 caps... I though I was on a PH, strength soared and weight up 7lbs... Though tendinitis went through the roof and joints are killing me
 
chainsaw said:
Finishing up my 50 day run 25 days at 4 caps 25 days at 6 caps... I though I was on a PH, strength soared and weight up 7lbs... Though tendinitis went through the roof and joints are killing me
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Sweet deal man...you dose ED or just on WO days?
I never have experienced joint issues with ArA...of course I've been using CissusXT for ~2 yrs straight now, so that helps...lol
 
De__eB said:
Communities like /r/fitness are awful about stuff like this.

The constant preaching of 'OLYMPIC LIFTS ARE AWESOME EVERYONE SHOULD DO THEM' (don't get me wrong, they are, and most strength trainees can benefit from them) results in people who are novice lifters and not working with someone trained just going to the gym and trying to perform the lift.

The cringe-worthy injury-inevitable form I see some people using at the golds here is crazy.
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I'm the same way man... soooooo many people especially with the cross fit explosion are doing Olympic lifts and doing them with such terrible form. In the beginning I tried helping correct form etc but all that got me was eye rolls and **** attitude so now I just watch in terror for these poor girls whose boyfriend are training them to get hurt
 
chainsaw said:
Finishing up my 50 day run 25 days at 4 caps 25 days at 6 caps... I though I was on a PH, strength soared and weight up 7lbs... Though tendinitis went through the roof and joints are killing me
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Glad to hear it on the strength front; did the joints flare up at 1g per day or at 1.5? If they got worse at 1.5, I would suggest running it lower next time OR using Cissus but dosing it 6+ hours away from ArA.
 
Spaniard said:
I'm the same way man... soooooo many people especially with the cross fit explosion are doing Olympic lifts and doing them with such terrible form. In the beginning I tried helping correct form etc but all that got me was eye rolls and **** attitude so now I just watch in terror for these poor girls whose boyfriend are training them to get hurt
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I have an old training partner who is an ex lightweight pro strongman. He took a job helping out as a strength coach at a high school and I told him he did not need to teach the Olympic lifts to be an effective strength coach and he laughed at me. A month later he told me I was correct. He did not have enough time to teach the lifts properly and actually get them stronger and faster at the same time. They are tough to teach and nothing is more cringe worthy when done incorrectly.
 
chainsaw said:
Finishing up my 50 day run 25 days at 4 caps 25 days at 6 caps... I though I was on a PH, strength soared and weight up 7lbs... Though tendinitis went through the roof and joints are killing me
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I am interested in people running it along with PHs/AAS. I read a post like 6-7 years back by an MN rep bout how it could enhance cycles.
 
Spaniard said:
Good man glad to hear it! The coaches not the injuries lol... far too often people make the mistake of jumping into Olympic lifts without proper advisement. The US Olympic coach I interned with kept clients using the stick for weeks or months depending on how well they performed the movements and issues of inflexibility.
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I still have days where I just use the stick for training sessions. A strict technique day is very beneficial (especially for me).

I bet that was a great internship!

De__eB said:
Communities like /r/fitness are awful about stuff like this.

The constant preaching of 'OLYMPIC LIFTS ARE AWESOME EVERYONE SHOULD DO THEM' (don't get me wrong, they are, and most strength trainees can benefit from them) results in people who are novice lifters and not working with someone trained just going to the gym and trying to perform the lift.

The cringe-worthy injury-inevitable form I see some people using at the golds here is crazy.
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I concur. People forgot that Olympic lifting is a sport; a very technical sport. If someone is not training for a sport, they could just get away with doing hang cleans, clean pulls, etc. There is no reason to go from the floor if one isn't competing in Oly competitions.
 
De__eB said:
Communities like /r/fitness are awful about stuff like this.

The constant preaching of 'OLYMPIC LIFTS ARE AWESOME EVERYONE SHOULD DO THEM' (don't get me wrong, they are, and most strength trainees can benefit from them) results in people who are novice lifters and not working with someone trained just going to the gym and trying to perform the lift.

The cringe-worthy injury-inevitable form I see some people using at the golds here is crazy.
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Oh man, can't stand r/fitness
 
warbird01 said:
Oh man, can't stand r/fitness
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Yeah, it's pretty bad.

/r/advancedfitness is somewhat better, but starting to fall prey to growing too large and having too many idiots in the same way /r/fitness did.

/r/supplements is great for the discussion from Sol Orwell and Kurtis Frank
 
warbird01 said:
I am interested in people running it along with PHs/AAS. I read a post like 6-7 years back by an MN rep bout how it could enhance cycles.
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It prolly will make the cycle more fun, but I rather use it in pct + 4weeks

if your not getting pumps from ph/aas then u need twirk your diet and focus on a training program .. Love this stuff in pct bc it feels like you on a cycle still
 
warbird01 said:
I am interested in people running it along with PHs/AAS. I read a post like 6-7 years back by an MN rep bout how it could enhance cycles.
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I've'bookmarked' ArA with a ph run before...running it 2 wks into a ph while it kicks in, then a week or so before pct begins...works fairly well...
 
schizm said:
I've'bookmarked' ArA with a ph run before...running it 2 wks into a ph while it kicks in, then a week or so before pct begins...works fairly well...
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I always start ArA 2 weeks pre pct
 
Mine just arrived today and go into the stash for the near future. The packaging isn't exactly confidence inspiring. Just a white tub covered in plastic (thats sort of a faded black) it just screams FAKE at me lol maybe being paranoid but if a rep could confirm this is normal or anyone else with experience.
 
Wilsy7 said:
Mine just arrived today and go into the stash for the near future. The packaging isn't exactly confidence inspiring. Just a white tub covered in plastic (thats sort of a faded black) it just screams FAKE at me lol maybe being paranoid but if a rep could confirm this is normal or anyone else with experience.
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You should be good to go. That is how mine is.
 
Wilsy7 said:
Mine just arrived today and go into the stash for the near future. The packaging isn't exactly confidence inspiring. Just a white tub covered in plastic (thats sort of a faded black) it just screams FAKE at me lol maybe being paranoid but if a rep could confirm this is normal or anyone else with experience.
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It's a shrink wrap label around a white bottle...sorry on my phone, not sure if you included a pic of it or not...you can pm me where you bought it from and I can confirm it's not a fake though...
 
Ive found some pics online to ease my concern :) the 'baseline series' appears to be a black bottle. Which i think is the older version. And the 'core series' being the new one with the white shrink wrapped bottle. Cheers guys
 
Yes, we've updated the labels on various sku's over the last year or so...the shrink wrap is the latest incarnation...Glycophase has a shrink wrap label..
 
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