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Snag gets FINAFLEXed on Road to Nationals

Changes make the world go round....or something like that.
 
We've seen much of your diet, and we know your split and it's intended duration. At what point do you begin posing practice or is this something that you have already incorporated?
 
iparatroop said:
We've seen much of your diet, and we know your split and it's intended duration. At what point do you begin posing practice or is this something that you have already incorporated?
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If I had snags his body, I would be standing in front of a mirror all the time and posing all the time;)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
^^ this!

well..except for the all-day licensing class/testing I sat in and just got finished with a lil bit ago :rant: yuk
what a day
needless to say, rest day was planned for this, and nutrition was packed accordingly (while everyone else in the room was provided with pizza/breadsticks/donuts/pastries and all that kind of nonsense - I was eating lean beef, veggies, salad and shakes)

ain't nobody got time for crap food :nono:
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Yah I hear that, we have sessions with the Customers next week for a workshop and they are catering everything and they say it will be good food but they don't know what good food is... I will be packing my meals.

Hah don't sweat the pounds gained that's right. Lets just call it an anabolic hiccup :)
 
Montego1 said:
Changes make the world go round....or something like that.
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huh, is that how it goes? never heard that one

iparatroop said:
We've seen much of your diet, and we know your split and it's intended duration. At what point do you begin posing practice or is this something that you have already incorporated?
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oooo posing is already in play; will be meeting w/ posing instructor soon

edje007 said:
If I had snags his body, I would be standing in front of a mirror all the time and posing all the time;)
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you kill me

DreamWeaver said:
Hah don't sweat the pounds gained that's right. Lets just call it an anabolic hiccup :)
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yep looks like the water is transient, weight still increased tho

from this morning

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Looking good Snags, abs showing well skin thin and dry. Triceps ridiculous as always!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Looking good Snags, abs showing well skin thin and dry. Triceps ridiculous as always!
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getting dry is right - I guess that's why when I DO see some water hanging temporarily, it bothers me, even tho I know damn well it is a transient phenomenon, and actually is beneficial to some growth spurts that I anticipate having..
meh..you know how it is: we always wanna look top-notch, in every pic we take, right? :D

new training format was rather refreshing - as always seems to be the case when I start up a new plan
strength was great all the way thru, effort/stamina all on point..body felt great!
just the mental freshness of the new attack does something for me, is like starting training for the first time in your life..
kinda like dejavu all over again :p
 
mauled this lil meal earlier today (#3 of 7 today)..smallest feeding of day aside from shake tonight
also lowest carb meal (by far)
these carving board meats are pretty damn tasty, yum :lick: nice fillers

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5oz tuna w/ salsa
2oz turkey breast
2oz roast beef
1 green pepper
not pictured: 2 white cheddar rice cakes
~350cals total

will be ~3350 on the cals today as I bump up in the rotation..back down to regular 2750 tomorrow again
 
Yes we always want to look good in our pics! Or just walking around for that matter. Liking the look of the lean eats. I know at some point I will be rolling back into carb cycling. Just not sure when. The old coach will let me know when to drop the hammer...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes we always want to look good in our pics! Or just walking around for that matter. Liking the look of the lean eats. I know at some point I will be rolling back into carb cycling. Just not sure when. The old coach will let me know when to drop the hammer...
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I find carb-cycling to be very effective plan (of course)
lots of variations to it -- and I employ many of them :D

weight ~196 upon rising this morning..nice lil ab/back session, postWO feeding, rest ~45min, and off to go play some tennis..
:run:
 
I wish I had someone to go play tennis with. I have not done it in years but I was decent enough to hold my own against most people who played regularly back in the day. That and raquetball.
 
Weight is sticking there eh, although I bet you are leaner. I can't wait to see your conditioning when this is all said and done. More post tennis pics today? Maybe an obliques shot or a Rear lat Spread? Oh I know I would love to see a side chest and triceps shot. Always impressed by your triceps and have never even seen you flex them!
 
thank you gents

@ kleen - well sorry man, dint take any pics post-tennis today, really dint think about it
leaning continues, but at slower pace a bit..working on size/musculature now for couple weeks (with an underlying emphasis on continued slow leaning)..my big final push will come ~5 weeks out, to the 2 week out mark
then, attained total progress willing, I will guide it in to dry up and fill out a bit (but still lean more in the process!)
that is the plan..the great unknown for me is the tren/epi combo; for all I know, I will gain weight while attaining crazy low bf..certainly not counting on that, but ready for a semblance of that possibility I guess - again I really do not care about weight; just conditioning, period
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
thank you gents

@ kleen - well sorry man, dint take any pics post-tennis today, really dint think about it
leaning continues, but at slower pace a bit..working on size/musculature now for couple weeks (with an underlying emphasis on continued slow leaning)..my big final push will come ~5 weeks out, to the 2 week out mark
then, attained total progress willing, I will guide it in to dry up and fill out a bit (but still lean more in the process!)
that is the plan..the great unknown for me is the tren/epi combo; for all I know, I will gain weight while attaining crazy low bf..certainly not counting on that, but ready for a semblance of that possibility I guess - again I really do not care about weight; just conditioning, period
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Depending on how low you go in the bf department prior to starting with the tren/epi combo, you can expect to put on a bit of size. The likelihood of you being sub 5% at that point is pretty good, so what I expect that you are going to see is some increase in size in the traps, the quads and the glutes (probably in other areas, but I expect these to be the most prominent). I see you becoming real hard and real dry very quickly on this combo too. Expect strength gains to come on once the combo fully kicks in. I'm excited to watch.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
thanks david..hmm, are you then saying I should continue to focus emphasis on the leaning out at current time, rather than later?
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The tren/epi combo is going to aid in leaning you out, and will expedite the process. Something about tren just peels off the fat. Your diet is so on point that I would stay the course that you already have laid out, and reap the size benefits that you are going to have from the combo. I'm not gonna be surprised when you hit 3% faster than you thought you were going to.
 
iparatroop said:
The tren/epi combo is going to aid in leaning you out, and will expedite the process. Something about tren just peels off the fat. Your diet is so on point that I would stay the course that you already have laid out, and reap the size benefits that you are going to have from the combo. I'm not gonna be surprised when you hit 3% faster than you thought you were going to.
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interesting..yeah I've heard different feedback from couple solid sources; one guy said the oral dint work for him until he hit 250mg on the dose :yikes:

overall tho, pretty good feedback, and I think well-suited for my goals
we will see - I am just as excited as you are, to see the final product :)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
interesting..yeah I've heard different feedback from couple solid sources; one guy said the oral dint work for him until he hit 250mg on the dose :yikes:

overall tho, pretty good feedback, and I think well-suited for my goals
we will see - I am just as excited as you are, to see the final product :)
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250mg on the tren I'm assuming. Yeah, you're gonna have to dose it at a pretty decent amount. The epi I would run anywhere between 50-80 depending on your tolerance. 50 seems to be where most decide that their sweet spot is.

Let me clarify what I was trying to say though, now that I got a shake and some almond butter in me.

I'd get to where you want and intend to be, not considering the anabolics. Once you're on, you're gonna get leaner faster, but I think it would be more beneficial to you to not rely on the fact that this is what's going to happen. What I think is gonna happen is that that intended 3% may turn into 2-2.5% with the additional assistance. Or, you'll get to 3% early and just be able to maintain. Either way, it's a win.
 
iparatroop said:
250mg on the tren I'm assuming.
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of course brah - not 250 on the epi :blink:
Yeah, you're gonna have to dose it at a pretty decent amount. The epi I would run anywhere between 50-80 depending on your tolerance. 50 seems to be where most decide that their sweet spot is.
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got it, yeah was thinking epi @ 50..i have enough to run 60 if I need to/want to
the tren, I counted on 150 ed -- not any more than that tho..really dint think I would have to/want to go higher

Let me clarify what I was trying to say though, now that I got a shake and some almond butter in me.

I'd get to where you want and intend to be, not considering the anabolics. Once you're on, you're gonna get leaner faster, but I think it would be more beneficial to you to not rely on the fact that this is what's going to happen. What I think is gonna happen is that that intended 3% may turn into 2-2.5% with the additional assistance. Or, you'll get to 3% early and just be able to maintain. Either way, it's a win.
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we are on same page here tho..I am not "relying" on the anabolics to do my work for me, no no..that is a mistake a lot of guys make
what I was trying to say was: I do not want it hindering my maneuvering either, ie I do not want it to be something that adds weight on me, and gets in the way of my course of leaning
I can overcome a lot of nonsense with simple dietary magic, but I do not want to be in position of having to combat the damn anabolics I have chosen for end run..again, I do not feel this will be an issue, but --- still a great unknown area for me
 
No exp w/ the tvar, but epi at 40 was fantastic & I'd def run 50 next time I use it. But 80 sounds....rough. My entire body creaked & popped incessantly at 40mg and no AI, and benchpress hurt my elbows SO bad (normally zero pain in any joints) I could barely get through my chest day. I'd def start 50 & just feel it out. That being said, the progestin can only help with the joint situation so you've got that going for you.

People seem suprised to hear ppl running tvar so high, but consider what ppl dose trenbolone at and it actually makes sense. 1500mg e/wk of tvar obv isn't 1.5g of trenbolone (no way conversion is near 100%), & you hear stories of guys out there that tolerate blasting a gram/wk of tren. Mr. 250mg is prob just one of those guys with a higher tolerance.

I'm really curious to see what this dose to your libido. I'm strongly considering an 8wk tvar run this fall with 4dhea, ostarine, & kicking with a bottle of M1A. Got everything but the tvar & not sure if I wanna go that route - everything sounds good except fighting the gyno & wondering if I'll be able to keep a lady around or not :whip:
 
Hyde said:
No exp w/ the tvar, but epi at 40 was fantastic & I'd def run 50 next time I use it. But 80 sounds....rough.
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is what I am screaming here
People seem suprised to hear ppl running tvar so high, but consider what ppl dose trenbolone at and it actually makes sense. 1500mg e/wk of tvar obv isn't 1.5g of trenbolone (no way conversion is near 100%), & you hear stories of guys out there that tolerate blasting a gram/wk of tren. Mr. 250mg is prob just one of those guys with a higher tolerance.
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yeah I've done the ruff conversions and scale comparison, and (without knowing true conversion on oral) it all seems a crapshoot..some more experienced guys I trust say 150 should do it, maybe 200, but again these are guys who have long experience with the stuff.. I don't know if I want my first experience to be quite that much risk, even considering the stakes involved here
and on the guy @250 - precisely bro, he even stated that himself (has high tolerance, is not normal)
I'm really curious to see what this dose to your libido.
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what libido? :D
not worried about that; I become a hermit as we get closer..already on my way to that currently, only go out when I really need to
I am tied to my life and chosen goals, att..if I was still married, my wife would truly hate me for awhile (well more than she already does I guess lol)
fighting the gyno
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and this is my other fear w/ the tren (tho I know you reference the m1 there as well)..
obviously, this aspect cannot be an option for me, even tho I have all safeguards/remedies on hand for such an event
still..donotwant
Hyde said:
Why in the quads & glutes?
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indeed - my ass is big enuff! don't need it to get bigger :p
 
Hyde said:
Why in the quads & glutes? I understand the traps. Jw
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I don't have a scientific answer that I can provide right now (will search for one) but from my experiences, this is where I noticed the most growth, not only in me but in those around me that were running the same stuff. May have something to do with surface area and pure mass of the muscles themselves? If that's the case, I'd say the lats would be targeted as well, but it's not something I noticed in me.
 
That's what I was wondering, but came to the same conclusion that you did about the back. Interesting. Never a bad thing to add some free leg mass (in addition to the normal growth from the hormones+training).
 
Hyde said:
I understand the traps. Jw
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Why traps? Ive always noticed they are the first to really show growth on cycle but never understood why
 
jimbuick said:
I'm probably one of the unlucky kind.
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Dont feel bad im pretty sure im the most geneticlly ungifted person alive no upper chest tiny girl wrist even smaller girl ankles and my hip bones come up to my lungs lol I think god got boozed up and took home a hooker the night before he made me
 
Danb2285 said:
Dont feel bad im pretty sure im the most geneticlly ungifted person alive no upper chest tiny girl wrist even smaller girl ankles and my hip bones come up to my lungs lol I think god got boozed up and took home a hooker the night before he made me
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Lol probably not. I'm pretty poorly set for life.
 
Small joints are perfect for bbing physiques. Just so ya know.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
really, did not know this
love it when our reps are a wealth of knowledge ;)
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Did you really not know this or are you playing? By no means am I being insulting if so, just suprised - your wealth of bodybuilding know-how is deep.

Can always tell if a guy uses exogenous hormones by his traps. They're always bigger when on, but guys who use tend to always have disproportionately sized traps compared to natty lifters of comparable lean mass, even when off. Been teaching my mom to spot it whenev we go to lunch or somewhere public - how to spot other bros :icon16: This rule however doesn't always apply to black guys, IMHO: known multiple black guys who have big gorilla traps but never touched an anabolic. Lucky SOBs.

Some young guys asked me a few wks ago at the gym how I built such big traps....I just told them I deadlift a lot. Which is true, every week, but I was chuckling so hard to myself. They're all natty & think steroids are 'cheating'.
 
Hyde said:
Did you really not know this or are you playing?
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I may, or may not have..will never tell :p
let dave have his moment in the sun

By no means am I being insulting if so, just suprised - your wealth of bodybuilding know-how is deep.
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i'm blushing
but tbh - there are guys more versed in anabolics than I brother..i would say para/montego/kleen all have more overall and extensive hormonal knowledge - and experience/use, for that matter..me, I been around it (other guys in that environment) for a long time, not much in the personal use-side tho
I just happen to know a lil bit, about a lot of things :D dietary maneuvering happens to be my specialty
I was chuckling so hard to myself. They're all natty & think steroids are 'cheating'.
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there once was a time, when I thought that very same way....
funny how we change/shape opinion and education as we grow
 
Hyde said:
Did you really not know this or are you playing? By no means am I being insulting if so, just suprised - your wealth of bodybuilding know-how is deep.

Can always tell if a guy uses exogenous hormones by his traps. They're always bigger when on, but guys who use tend to always have disproportionately sized traps compared to natty lifters of comparable lean mass, even when off. Been teaching my mom to spot it whenev we go to lunch or somewhere public - how to spot other bros :icon16: This rule however doesn't always apply to black guys, IMHO: known multiple black guys who have big gorilla traps but never touched an anabolic. Lucky SOBs.

Some young guys asked me a few wks ago at the gym how I built such big traps....I just told them I deadlift a lot. Which is true, every week, but I was chuckling so hard to myself. They're all natty & think steroids are 'cheating'.
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There are also a large amount of andro receptors in the face, apparently, which would explain the squared, rigid jaws of heavy users. It's another way to spot a juicer (and it's why females who juice get manly jaw lines). Disproportionate traps is one of the easiest to spot though. Many users, who are aware of this tend to do no direct trap work for that reason, to keep the traps in proportion to the rest of the body. IMHO, GIGANTOR traps are awesome, and I'm working on getting mine back. Brock fukkin Lesnor had some of the most ridiculous traps I've ever seen back in the day. That's a bit too far...
 
iparatroop said:
There are also a large amount of andro receptors in the face, apparently, which would explain the squared, rigid jaws of heavy users. It's another way to spot a juicer (and it's why females who juice get manly jaw lines). Disproportionate traps is one of the easiest to spot though. Many users, who are aware of this tend to do no direct trap work for that reason, to keep the traps in proportion to the rest of the body. IMHO, GIGANTOR traps are awesome, and I'm working on getting mine back. Brock fukkin Lesnor had some of the most ridiculous traps I've ever seen back in the day. That's a bit too far...
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Tom Hardy has retarded traps in relation to the rest of his body.

They looked incredibly "off" in the movie where he fought his brother in MMA.
 
and then some of us naturally have decent traps :D nothing ginormous, but I do very little trap work comparatively speaking vs. the rest of the things I hit, and I don't feel they are lacking..deads as well, have never been my "go-to" exercise; certainly I do them just not with same regularity as other stuff, like squats for example

I also have an angular face - but that is more my heritage talking than anything else

(in before I get accused of secretly juicing..) :shhh:
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
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so ruff on yourself, you are
indeed
I have very small joints, not a big-boned guy at all..makes me look bigger ;)
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Lol come on dude you know i got geneticlly hosed. Its all good I've come to terms with it over the last 27 years
 
all righty then..awoke this morning ~195..but - this was after a (unplanned) carb-loading meal before bed
was not the day for this to be scheduled into the rotation, but after tennis and increased activity yesterday I figured wth..
so, pounded a ~1000cal/180g carb feeding ~1am -- the Ezekiel (with 1 TBS butter this time!) was just, AWESOME
consider this my "free meal" as kleen calls it

some fun pics to entertain you guys - first one was breakfast yesterday, dropped some Ezekiel CR toast in for a switch
(Ezekiel not buttered meal ~450cals total)

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and then, after the bigger active day, threw this together for my carb feeding
was already at ~150g carbs going into my last feeding (shake planned) and I had no banana on hand, so I got creative

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how did it treat me? after mauling the meal in ~20min flat, I thought I would pass out (as I do more often than not after these meals)..
I did not, was up for awhile yet, in fact..laying in bed, decided to go in and flex in mirror :p
this is what I saw ~230am

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the back, was not really even flexing as I should, too tough to get a decent flex with the angle I have to work with and pressing the snap button at the same time..the arms, well the last pic was poor angle, but I thought the veinage was impressive when I balled up tight and squeezed :D

I am 7 weeks out today....
enjoy the w/e gentlemen
 
Definitely on the right track buddy, as we all know you would be. That carb meal looks like the right combination for peak week...just saying, it did you well.
 
Yeah I would say you are on track :) back looks awesome and the delts and arms are really shredding up. Big time!
 
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