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caz and tygas ongoing log.. and w/e we decide to use.

Epistane's gonna have you strong as a lion come week 3 or 4, no way 325 will last long with 5-6wks of Epi coming. That being said, nice pressing!
 
Hyde said:
Epistane's gonna have you strong as a lion come week 3 or 4, no way 325 will last long with 5-6wks of Epi coming. That being said, nice pressing!
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Yeah man started cycle today !! It's about to get ugly up in here :)
 
Optional GVT arm day.

Bb curl (lbs only) 10x12x4
V bar tri ext- 100x12x4
Reverse pad db curl- 20x12x4
Incline skull crusher (lb only) 25x12x4
High cable curl- 20x12x2 30x12x2
Rope tri ext- 70x12x4

Ok, the pump was knarley today. Five days in and i can definitely say with confidence that stenzine has saturated and kicked in.

Snacks at work were

Almonds and granola

Intra w/o
16oz powerade

Postworkout meal
6.5oz tilapia
1c white rice
Sauce

*im still sittin at 2700 kcals. Next monday im bumpin to 2800 kcals.

Ill still update this log periodically
 
Shoulders/tris
So it's on fellas!! First day for my EPI/Stano 6 week cycle!!

Bb press
135x12
175x12
195x10
205x8

Arnold press
60x12
60x12
65x10

Reverse peck deck
85x12
100x12
115x12

Precor lateral raises
85x12
95x12
95x12

Db front raises
25'sx12
30'sx12
30'sx12

V bar push downs
80x12
90x12
100x12
110x13

Overhead rope extensions
70x12
80x12
80x12

Single arm extensions
35x 4 sets till fail

Cardio
Elliptical: 20 mins/ level 9/ 2.25 miles
 
bcazo said:
Shoulders/tris
So it's on fellas!! First day for my EPI/Stano 6 week cycle!!

Bb press
135x12
175x12
195x10
205x8

Arnold press
60x12
60x12
65x10

Reverse peck deck
85x12
100x12
115x12

Precor lateral raises
85x12
95x12
95x12

Db front raises
25'sx12
30'sx12
30'sx12

V bar push downs
80x12
90x12
100x12
110x13

Overhead rope extensions
70x12
80x12
80x12

Single arm extensions
35x 4 sets till fail

Cardio
Elliptical: 20 mins/ level 9/ 2.25 miles
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Nice pressin brotha. Big numbers
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Jealous. Always wanted to try epi but I know it would rape my hairline. Not quite ready for the Mr. Clean look just yet
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Epi will make you strong & tight, but all the power is almost useless if you're powerlifting - it's ROUGH on the joints. I ran it for 4 wks & by wk 2 my elbows hurt SO bad during heavy bench it was everything in my power to complete 3 work sets. Just the deepest, most intense aches I've ever had in my joints, and I've never had elbow issues before or since.

The strength is more useable if you're staying over 5 reps.
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Jealous. Always wanted to try epi but I know it would rape my hairline. Not quite ready for the Mr. Clean look just yet
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This is my third time running epi and I loved it every time. It's the Stano I'm worried about killin my hairline EPI never bothered me. I do have some shampoos that have helped a lot to retain my hair
 
Hyde said:
Epi will make you strong & tight, but all the power is almost useless if you're powerlifting - it's ROUGH on the joints. I ran it for 4 wks & by wk 2 my elbows hurt SO bad during heavy bench it was everything in my power to complete 3 work sets. Just the deepest, most intense aches I've ever had in my joints, and I've never had elbow issues before or since.

The strength is more useable if you're staying over 5 reps.
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I've never had any joint issues before on epi I know a lot of people have. I hope I didn't just jinks myself LOL
 
Some ppl gain a lot more mass, some gain no strength apparently. Some have awful lethargy & back pumps (I never did at all, felt awesome).

I used Iron Labs Epi Extreme, found it on amazon....like 25 shipped. Just the cheapest, most bunk-looking bottle I've ever seen - but I was gonna run pro-dienelone & decided to go Spawn last minute, so I ordered the cheapest thing I could find. Nips became irritated & inflamed the 2nd day upon waking, & dropped the Tren on day 5. Ran some Erase for 5 days & bumped the epi to 40mg, and nips were better within a couple days off Tren.

Cool thing about Epi - virtually nobody gets gyno from Epistane :)
 
Hyde said:
Epi will make you strong & tight, but all the power is almost useless if you're powerlifting - it's ROUGH on the joints. I ran it for 4 wks & by wk 2 my elbows hurt SO bad during heavy bench it was everything in my power to complete 3 work sets. Just the deepest, most intense aches I've ever had in my joints, and I've never had elbow issues before or since.

The strength is more useable if you're staying over 5 reps.
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Good point I haven't even thought about that. I am looking at something to run here soon. I have been holding off running anything for the past 2 years with my ac joint issues. Just have to be easy on anything bench wise for awhile and crush everything else. Sick of missing out on the fun.

You still keeping at that 5/3/1 rest pause?
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Good point I haven't even thought about that. I am looking at something to run here soon. I have been holding off running anything for the past 2 years with my ac joint issues. Just have to be easy on anything bench wise for awhile and crush everything else. Sick of missing out on the fun.

You still keeping at that 5/3/1 rest pause?
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What kind of gains u looking for??
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Good point I haven't even thought about that. I am looking at something to run here soon. I have been holding off running anything for the past 2 years with my ac joint issues. Just have to be easy on anything bench wise for awhile and crush everything else. Sick of missing out on the fun.

You still keeping at that 5/3/1 rest pause?
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Everything in the superdrol family is good for strength (sdrol, dmz, msten, cyanostane) but won't do the joints any favor necessarily (along with halo, promagnon, triumphalis) - something wet or a progestin is the ticket if you aren't gyno-prone or williing to fight it. M14add, tvar, max lmg, dienelone (trenazone is the only one out) can all be ran for 6 wks, 8 on the trens should you be so inclined (I'd be using TUDCA w/ the pro-dbol tho to go 6wks). That'd give you 2 cycles of 5/3/1 if you skip the deload after 1st 3 wks. You won't need it on the gear.

I'd imagine the new Mithras (double-methyl phera, the way sdrol is double-methyl m1t) would be wet, and would be good for a 4-6wk gig (speculating here, only 4 is advised with the lack of feedback - seems likely it'd be fairly harsh w/ mandatory TUDCA).

I only tried the rest pause out - it's a great tool if you don't have time to fully hit a muscle but want to at least work it. Been doing 5/3/1 with the Triumvirate, to good effect honestly.
 
bcazo said:
What kind of gains u looking for??
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HUGE gains haha. But seriously I have been playing around with some ideas. Nothing too crazy as I want to save that for when my shoulder is fully back but definitely something more than being natty.

Going to run a low dose of test as my base. Running it to high just further worsens collagen synthesis which is not what I want to do.

I was considering some EQ on top of that. I loved the old BOLD 200. I put on a good amount of strength and size. It significantly improved my joints. Hoping real EQ is even better.

And/Or an oral of some type. Not sure which. Preferably unmethylated. Still considering my options here
 
Hyde said:
Everything in the superdrol family is good for strength (sdrol, dmz, msten, cyanostane) but won't do the joints any favor necessarily (along with halo, promagnon, triumphalis) - something wet or a progestin is the ticket if you aren't gyno-prone or williing to fight it. M14add, tvar, max lmg, dienelone (trenazone is the only one out) can all be ran for 6 wks, 8 on the trens should you be so inclined (I'd be using TUDCA w/ the pro-dbol tho to go 6wks). That'd give you 2 cycles of 5/3/1 if you skip the deload after 1st 3 wks. You won't need it on the gear.

I'd imagine the new Mithras (double-methyl phera, the way sdrol is double-methyl m1t) would be wet, and would be good for a 4-6wk gig (speculating here, only 4 is advised with the lack of feedback - seems likely it'd be fairly harsh w/ mandatory TUDCA).

I only tried the rest pause out - it's a great tool if you don't have time to fully hit a muscle but want to at least work it. Been doing 5/3/1 with the Triumvirate, to good effect honestly.
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Thanks a lot for the breakdown man. Been considering some of the options you mentioned. I am looking into unmethylated ones at the moment. I have the will power not to drink. However, this is the doctor season and they always like to go out and have a few glasses of bourbon with dinner or what not. As bad as it sounds, not joining in a little bit really detracts business. You would be surprised. Hanging out with doctors makes you feel like you are in an episode of Mad Men. I am going to save my methyl options for winter when that won't be an issue.

Only side effect I am prone to is Hair Loss. I ran Max LMG up to 150mgs with no AI and not even the slightest hint of gyno. I just thought it wasn't a great compound. No significant gains in strength and just a little size. I thought that was weird since everyone and their mom raves about it as a bulker. On the other hand, a low dose Bold and 11 oxo cycle got me huge, ripped, and put about 40 lbs on all my lifts. Just goes to show how differently everyone reacts.

I have been looking at Trenazone for 6 weeks as a kickstart. Might end up just doing all injectables or say **** the doctors and run a short cycle of a methyl. m1,4ad has been something I have always wanted to try or Methylclostebol. Or even Celtics new 1AD clone they got off Patrick Arnold himself. All my brother in laws and brothers ran it back in the day. From what they have told me and what I saw even at a young age, any potential hair loss would be worth those gains. Also might be able to grab some anavar. We will see.

As you can see, I have a lot of thinking to do haha

Oh and if you ever want to, try the rest pause for 6 weeks. My strength has been unreal. Squats are up 20lbs with the same reps. It has literally given me almost PH like gains
 
Superbeast said EQ had him feeling awful, bp was thru the roof, barely noticed any appetite stimulation, & overall wasn't doing much but give him hell at 5-600mg. Couple guys on here have said you need to be looking at a gram, and if half that makes you feel God awful... If you don't need paper thin skin for contest, forget bold - there's a lot of other compounds. Prohormones always act differently than their target compound. M14add is pro-dbol, but actually acts more like methyl bold they say. Tvar is a non-methyl, and you could run it for 8 wks with the injectable test. But you'll need 150mg minimum, and the sky is the limit, so for the price you could also just run injectable trenbolone assuming you have access - but they'll definitely act differently, and both will spare the liver.

Tvar, trenazone, or injectable tren - that's your best options it sounds like, especially if max lmg didn't give you any gyno. Just have prami/caber on hand.
 
Hyde said:
Superbeast said EQ had him feeling awful, bp was thru the roof, barely noticed any appetite stimulation, & overall wasn't doing much but give him hell at 5-600mg. Couple guys on here have said you need to be looking at a gram, and if half that makes you feel God awful... If you don't need paper thin skin for contest, forget bold - there's a lot of other compounds. Prohormones always act differently than their target compound. M14add is pro-dbol, but actually acts more like methyl bold they say. Tvar is a non-methyl, and you could run it for 8 wks with the injectable test. But you'll need 150mg minimum, and the sky is the limit, so for the price you could also just run injectable trenbolone assuming you have access - but they'll definitely act differently, and both will spare the liver.

Tvar, trenazone, or injectable tren - that's your best options it sounds like, especially if max lmg didn't give you any gyno. Just have prami/caber on hand.
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I really appreciate the help. Im trying to avoid injectable Tren at the moment. Im going to wait until everything is good with my shoulders before I make that plunge. I want to be able to take full advantage of it. Heard that stuff is the nectar of the gods.

Funny you say that about EQ. It seems to be so hit or miss. Some people swear by it, others loathe it. I agree with prohormones acting different than their target compounds. Most of them convert at such small percentages and have unique activity of their own. That is one reason why M14ad was appealing to me. Trenazone is looking like a solid option and I have always been wanting to try it.

What are some of the things you have run and loved?
 
Hyde said:
Superbeast said EQ had him feeling awful, bp was thru the roof, barely noticed any appetite stimulation, & overall wasn't doing much but give him hell at 5-600mg. Couple guys on here have said you need to be looking at a gram, and if half that makes you feel God awful... If you don't need paper thin skin for contest, forget bold - there's a lot of other compounds. Prohormones always act differently than their target compound. M14add is pro-dbol, but actually acts more like methyl bold they say. Tvar is a non-methyl, and you could run it for 8 wks with the injectable test. But you'll need 150mg minimum, and the sky is the limit, so for the price you could also just run injectable trenbolone assuming you have access - but they'll definitely act differently, and both will spare the liver.

Tvar, trenazone, or injectable tren - that's your best options it sounds like, especially if max lmg didn't give you any gyno. Just have prami/caber on hand.
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That's correct. Eq was miserable at 500 a week. I've done a gram a week for a few weeks and it was hell. I do not recommend even for collagen synthesis. Look to GH/peptides or a nandralone derivative. DECA and GH are by far top dog for joints.
 
CATdiesel76 said:
Thanks a lot for the breakdown man. Been considering some of the options you mentioned. I am looking into unmethylated ones at the moment. I have the will power not to drink. However, this is the doctor season and they always like to go out and have a few glasses of bourbon with dinner or what not. As bad as it sounds, not joining in a little bit really detracts business. You would be surprised. Hanging out with doctors makes you feel like you are in an episode of Mad Men. I am going to save my methyl options for winter when that won't be an issue.

Only side effect I am prone to is Hair Loss. I ran Max LMG up to 150mgs with no AI and not even the slightest hint of gyno. I just thought it wasn't a great compound. No significant gains in strength and just a little size. I thought that was weird since everyone and their mom raves about it as a bulker. On the other hand, a low dose Bold and 11 oxo cycle got me huge, ripped, and put about 40 lbs on all my lifts. Just goes to show how differently everyone reacts.

I have been looking at Trenazone for 6 weeks as a kickstart. Might end up just doing all injectables or say **** the doctors and run a short cycle of a methyl. m1,4ad has been something I have always wanted to try or Methylclostebol. Or even Celtics new 1AD clone they got off Patrick Arnold himself. All my brother in laws and brothers ran it back in the day. From what they have told me and what I saw even at a young age, any potential hair loss would be worth those gains. Also might be able to grab some anavar. We will see.

As you can see, I have a lot of thinking to do haha

Oh and if you ever want to, try the rest pause for 6 weeks. My strength has been unreal. Squats are up 20lbs with the same reps. It has literally given me almost PH like gains
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Since you will be drinking methylclostebol should be out. Not due to methylation but because of bp issues. Drinking to excess will raise bp. While I was drinking very heavily I was 145/90 most of the time.

Don't get me wrong its a great drug and I highly recommend it but I'd wait till drinking season is over.
 
superbeast668 said:
Since you will be drinking methylclostebol should be out. Not due to methylation but because of bp issues. Drinking to excess will raise bp. While I was drinking very heavily I was 145/90 most of the time.

Don't get me wrong its a great drug and I highly recommend it but I'd wait till drinking season is over.
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I agree completely. My BP is always low even on ephedrine, test, you name it so I'm not too concerned. however, i agree that it just isn't healthy. one poison at a time haha. I will not be drinking heavily during a cycle just on occasions with the docs. if i am going to cycle i want to do it right.


That sucks eq went so poorly for you. What was so bad if you don't mind me asking? I have pretty much ruled it out but I am just curious.

As for joints, I took the plunge on some thymosin beta 4 and I will let you know how it goes. I just saw you got a log going so I will jump in on that
 
My folli came in today :)

This did too...

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CATdiesel76 said:
I agree completely. My BP is always low even on ephedrine, test, you name it so I'm not too concerned. however, i agree that it just isn't healthy. one poison at a time haha. I will not be drinking heavily during a cycle just on occasions with the docs. if i am going to cycle i want to do it right.

That sucks eq went so poorly for you. What was so bad if you don't mind me asking? I have pretty much ruled it out but I am just curious.

As for joints, I took the plunge on some thymosin beta 4 and I will let you know how it goes. I just saw you got a log going so I will jump in on that
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Eq, high bp severe anxiety erratic heart rate. No real benefits from taking it.
 
bcazo said:
nice!! What dose are u thinking on the 4033?? Would be great if it works as promised are u going to run it now or wait..
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Gonna start at 1mg, work my way up to 5mg ed. Im going to wait to use it, dont want to skew my current logs results :D
 
bcazo said:
Tuff decision tonight!! Stay home with the wife or hit the gym??? Man I want to lift!!
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I say pound it out tonight....I'll let you decide which that's referring to...

In all seriousness, give the wife some attention - the extra rest will have you all the more powerful tomorrow in the gym for your 40 min slay session, & a happy wife is a happy life they say...plus she'll likely be more supportive of your lifting longterm if she believes it keeps you positive (instead of seeing it as some home-wrecking obsession).

Woman are weird man. Had a gf once who's dad was a crossfit nut that trained 2-3x/day, & of course I was lumped into that boat because I lifted weights. Oh brother.
 
CATdiesel76 said:
What are some of the things you have run and loved?
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Epi, Cyano, Msten, 1/4/5-epi/19dheas a few times.....enjoyed everything, but would pass on cyanostane again, & won't be spending any more time with the dheas except 4dhea or 5-epiandro as a base if I don't use Stano (since I'm oral only but value my ability to get wood/feel ok).

Almost bought a 4-pack of IML's Msten for 96 when they had their big sale; it's fantastic stuff if you care how you look & also want good strength. But I have too many other methyls to try first before getting back on Sten; would be a lonnnnng time sitting on the shelf. I'll wait for a ban.
 
Hyde said:
I say pound it out tonight....I'll let you decide which that's referring to...

In all seriousness, give the wife some attention - the extra rest will have you all the more powerful tomorrow in the gym for your 40 min slay session, & a happy wife is a happy life they say...plus she'll likely be more supportive of your lifting longterm if she believes it keeps you positive (instead of seeing it as some home-wrecking obsession).

Woman are weird man. Had a gf once who's dad was a crossfit nut that trained 2-3x/day, & of course I was lumped into that boat because I lifted weights. Oh brother.
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Best of both worlds!! Bang out some legs them come home wake up the wife and bang her out :)
 
tyga tyga said:
My folli came in today :)

This did too...

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You have been all about some peptides. Hopefully your stuff is good. I have heard of lots of bunk folli.

Btw, the TB4 seems to be working nicely so far. A Nagging Hamstring injury that has lasted several months is all but gone
 
CATdiesel76 said:
You have been all about some peptides. Hopefully your stuff is good. I have heard of lots of bunk folli.

Btw, the TB4 seems to be working nicely so far. A Nagging Hamstring injury that has lasted several months is all but gone
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You pinning the tb4 into the hammy or subq? I dont know much about tb4, can you localize it or is it systemic?

Edit- the rc site i got the folli from has third party COAs posted for all there peps.
 
tyga tyga said:
You pinning the tb4 into the hammy or subq? I dont know much about tb4, can you localize it or is it systemic?

Edit- the rc site i got the folli from has third party COAs posted for all there peps.
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It is systemic and injections are subq. I tired localized injections above my AC joint with not noticeable difference so I am sticking to Subq around the abdomen. I started it in hopes to get some healing on my shoulder but I have noticed it helping with other areas.
 
Day 4
Legs

Sorry for the lack of post my bro's still getting use to this repping thing!! Smashed some legs last night, the cycle is starting to kick in nice. I've run Epi before so I know what to expect but never Stano.. I have to say my Libdo is crazy high right now almost to the point of too much, its got to be the stano.. Also I know it's early in the run but I have zero lethargy which Epi usually does to me, lets just say i'm very happy right now.. I'm going to keep my Cals around 2,000 - 2,200 per day cause I want to get ripped.. Heres how the next 6 weeks look

Cycle:
Epi: 40/40/40/50/50/50
Stano:600/800/800/1000/1000/1000

Support sups
Orange Triad: 4 per day
CEL Cycle support: 6 per day
Fish oil:2400mg per day
L-Taurine: 1000mg per day
Extend: intra workout

Hammer Strength Squats
315x12
405x12
455x12
495x10

Hack squats
225x12
275x10
285x10

Hamstring curls
165x12
185x12
205x12
215x10

Leg extensions
145x12
165x12
185x10
205x8

Leg press with SS calf raises
315x12
365x12
405x12
455x10

I skipped cardio and did a ton of Ab work I'll be rocking a 6 pack by the end of this cycle one way or another!!
 
bcazo said:
Day 4
Legs

Sorry for the lack of post my bro's still getting use to this repping thing!! Smashed some legs last night, the cycle is starting to kick in nice. I've run Epi before so I know what to expect but never Stano.. I have to say my Libdo is crazy high right now almost to the point of too much, its got to be the stano.. Also I know it's early in the run but I have zero lethargy which Epi usually does to me, lets just say i'm very happy right now.. I'm going to keep my Cals around 2,000 - 2,200 per day cause I want to get ripped.. Heres how the next 6 weeks look

Cycle:
Epi: 40/40/40/50/50/50
Stano:600/800/800/1000/1000/1000

Support sups
Orange Triad: 4 per day
CEL Cycle support: 6 per day
Fish oil:2400mg per day
L-Taurine: 1000mg per day
Extend: intra workout

Hammer Strength Squats
315x12
405x12
455x12
495x10

Hack squats
225x12
275x10
285x10

Hamstring curls
165x12
185x12
205x12
215x10

Leg extensions
145x12
165x12
185x10
205x8

Leg press with SS calf raises
315x12
365x12
405x12
455x10

I skipped cardio and did a ton of Ab work I'll be rocking a 6 pack by the end of this cycle one way or another!!
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I know what you mean. Repping has my active sub list up around 15-20 threads at all times plus lots of ?s via PM etc...
 
Tell me about it, we also started with 10 logs!! Plus I set up the company section and have threads describing each of our products..
 
bcazo said:
Tell me about it, we also started with 10 logs!! Plus I set up the company section and have threads describing each of our products..
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I had to do that setup too, pain in the balls lol. I've got 8 logs going right now hahaha its crazy
 
Day 5-7

So I'm officially ON now!! :) Friday was my usually 40 minute random exercise day to finish off the week. Saturday was my day off, wife and I had a 50th birthday day at a beautiful place on the Hudson River over looking manhattan!! No kids that night my mother watched them and had a great time just the 2 of us.. Hit the gym today and just murdered the weights definitely has kicked in.. Set 2 PRs today and just felt like a machine!! May start a GVT workout I found on BB. Com that looks good..

Bb flat bench
155x20
185x12
225x12
265x8
295x5 PR !!!

BB incline press
155x12
185x12
205x10

DB flys flat bench
50x12
60x12
60x12

Peck deck
165x12
185x12
205x12
225x10

Cable curls
85x12
95x12
105x10
120x8

Db curls
40sx12
45sx 12
50s x 10

DB hammer curls
45x12
50s x 12
50s x 12

Single arm cable concentration curls
45x12
50x12
60x12
70x10 PR!!
 
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