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MN XFA vs. SNS X-Gels

I do 1.5g on workout days. So 5 workouts week = 30 caps, which is barely more than the old recommended dosing protocol of 1g every day (28/week).
 
cubs1987 said:
Are most of you guys running 1g+ for your cycles? So 4 bottles for a 50 day cycle if you want to run 2g can get a little pricey...
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Can be, but when you compare it to the typical cost of a prohormone cycle + cycle support + pct, its incredibly reasonable.
 
schizm said:
Can't speak for 'everyone' lol, I would say many first time users start with just the 1g dosing, which I had success with my first time out...going up to 1.5 -2g, I'll usually just dose on workout days only or like 500mg on off days, to make the bottle last a bit longer...
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OK this makes sense... I ran it awhile back at just the 1g, so pretty pumped to see what 2g would do w/ the GG, baby aspirin and LCLT. Will taking less on off-days lower the amount of Arachidonic Acid stored, or is this pretty common to do as well?
 
I've found that i like 1.5g pre workout, 2g is good but it just goes through the bottle faster. More is in fact better, but just tough to afford for most of us.
 
I am in the UK and the original Xfactor is a little harder to come by, would the new sns x-gels suffice? I think they have exact same ingredient profile but Xfactor has Arasyn...
 
Alasel said:
I am in the UK and the original Xfactor is a little harder to come by, would the new sns x-gels suffice? I think they have exact same ingredient profile but Xfactor has Arasyn...
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You will get the same ARA content from each.
 
Rhadam said:
I've found that i like 1.5g pre workout, 2g is good but it just goes through the bottle faster. More is in fact better, but just tough to afford for most of us.
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I see a huge difference between 1.5 and 2g daily. And it certainly justifies the cost in my opinion.
 
I suppose this is a good enough place for a question I have. Can anyone tell me what accounts for the difference in pill size between x-factor and x-gels? X-gels are much larger yet both products yield 250mg ara
 
Wocheezy said:
I suppose this is a good enough place for a question I have. Can anyone tell me what accounts for the difference in pill size between x-factor and x-gels? X-gels are much larger yet both products yield 250mg ara
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I've never seen an XF capsule...but it could be the capsule thickness, the additional zinc, etc.
 
Wocheezy said:
I suppose this is a good enough place for a question I have. Can anyone tell me what accounts for the difference in pill size between x-factor and x-gels? X-gels are much larger yet both products yield 250mg ara
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Do you have the new version of X-Gels?

I have the old one and the softgels are much smaller but that is because the dose is 40%. I would assume that the newer version had a similar size softgel to X-Factor.
 
bdcc said:
Do you have the new version of X-Gels?

I have the old one and the softgels are much smaller but that is because the dose is 40%. I would assume that the newer version had a similar size softgel to X-Factor.
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New X-Gels also have 268mg per capsule, which may account for the slightly larger size.

Then again, no idea how big XF caps are.
 
There is added zinc, but the pill sizes aren't too much different (X-gels is larger tho fwiw). I was going to take a pic in my log since I have both but figured it wasn't really needed.
 
Alasel said:
Really? I thought was 250mg but I'm might be wrong...
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SNS posted a lab test showing 268mg per cap, just to make sure that by the time it reaches you, you got 250mg or maybe a little more!

That, the zinc, the capsule size, etc all account for a size difference I'm sure.
 
Alasel said:
Really? I thought was 250mg but I'm might be wrong...
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250mg is the labeled amount and it slightly exceeds label claims.
 
If doing 3 workout days a week on xfactor would A. 6-8 caps pre workout on workout days only or B. 4 caps pre workout on workout days and 4 caps on one off day be optimal?
 
CaptainSlentz said:
If doing 3 workout days a week on xfactor would A. 6-8 caps pre workout on workout days only or B. 4 caps pre workout on workout days and 4 caps on one off day be optimal?
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6-8 caps on workout days would be my choice, that's currently exactly what I'm doing.
 
Alasel said:
I am in the UK and the original Xfactor is a little harder to come by, would the new sns x-gels suffice? I think they have exact same ingredient profile but Xfactor has Arasyn...
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I'll get at eta on when we will be replenishing stock of X-Factor and X-Factor Advanced, I dont think it should be longer than 2 weeks until they are ready and shipping. All of the major UK sites seem to carry our line now, and I know we will be sending quite a bit over so hopefully it wont be as hard to find them over there in the future!
 
SwolenONE said:
I'll get at eta on when we will be replenishing stock of X-Factor and X-Factor Advanced, I dont think it should be longer than 2 weeks until they are ready and shipping. All of the major UK sites seem to carry our line now, and I know we will be sending quite a bit over so hopefully it wont be as hard to find them over there in the future!
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I recently looked at purchasing X-Factor or X-Gels. After doing some price comparison shopping I came to the conclusion that almost none of the major UK sites carry X-Factor lol.
 
bdcc said:
I recently looked at purchasing X-Factor or X-Gels. After doing some price comparison shopping I came to the conclusion that almost none of the major UK sites carry X-Factor lol.
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O wow, I would list off the sites that carry our line, but I dont think I'm allowed to do that on this forum. We have 2 large distributors in the UK and a handful of other e-tailers that we deal with directly. So I didnt anticipate UK customers having such troubles, very sorry to hear that.

However, if your problem wasnt finding stores that stock our line but rather stores with X-Factor in stock, then refer back to the roughly 2 weeks eta until the new run will be shipping. Sorry for the delay!!
 
so in the meantime, X-gels with your next FocusXT order...? Can I get a 'cheer-i-oh' up in here? ;)
 
bdcc said:
Do you have the new version of X-Gels?

I have the old one and the softgels are much smaller but that is because the dose is 40%. I would assume that the newer version had a similar size softgel to X-Factor.
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If memory serves me correct, they are roughly the same.

Mike
 
NEED A LITTLE MORE INFO BEFORE RUN

antihero said:
250mg is the labeled amount and it slightly exceeds label claims.
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I AM STARTING AN X GELS RUN AND I USUALLY TAKE CLA, FISH OIL, ORANGE TRIAD, AND SUPER CISSUS LOL WOULD IT BE OK TO TAKE THESE 6-8 HRS AWAY FROM XGELS? I READ THAT THE JOINT SUPPS ARE OK FAR AWAY BUT WHAT ABOUT CLA? I KNOW IT BUILDS UP IN YOUR SYSTEM SO IM NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO CONTINUE DOSING IT OR NOT? ALSO, I TAKE BURN24 AND IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS, BURN24 IS DOSED THROUGHOUT THE DAY WITH CARBS! DO YOU THINK THIS WILL INTERFERE WITH MY X GELS RUN? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY ADVICE YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME...
 
bdcc said:
I recently looked at purchasing X-Factor or X-Gels. After doing some price comparison shopping I came to the conclusion that almost none of the major UK sites carry X-Factor lol.
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If you look around in the UK sites, you will see that more sites stock X factor than X gels... And I love X factor and one of the 'major' UK sites actually done an interview with W Llewellyn as he is held in high regard as are Molecular Nutrition and for good reason. SNS is also a solid brand and it is because of X factor that I have purchased X gels and if they perform anything like X factor (same active) I will be more than happy.
 
SwolenONE said:
I'll get at eta on when we will be replenishing stock of X-Factor and X-Factor Advanced, I dont think it should be longer than 2 weeks until they are ready and shipping. All of the major UK sites seem to carry our line now, and I know we will be sending quite a bit over so hopefully it wont be as hard to find them over there in the future!
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Thanks for your response, I love X factor and would like to see it back in stock as a lot of places sell XFA but I have preference of original. Is there any plans to sell Xfactor in maybe a bigger serving per bottle? As its sold in 60 caps and XFA is in 100 as is X gels... Thanks again.
 
eddiesr123 said:
I AM STARTING AN X GELS RUN AND I USUALLY TAKE CLA, FISH OIL, ORANGE TRIAD, AND SUPER CISSUS LOL WOULD IT BE OK TO TAKE THESE 6-8 HRS AWAY FROM XGELS? I READ THAT THE JOINT SUPPS ARE OK FAR AWAY BUT WHAT ABOUT CLA? I KNOW IT BUILDS UP IN YOUR SYSTEM SO IM NOT SURE IF IT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO CONTINUE DOSING IT OR NOT? ALSO, I TAKE BURN24 AND IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS, BURN24 IS DOSED THROUGHOUT THE DAY WITH CARBS! DO YOU THINK THIS WILL INTERFERE WITH MY X GELS RUN? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR ANY ADVICE YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME...
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I would just drop fish oil and CLA while taking ArA. If you do want to continue taking them, yes 6 hours away from ArA will be good as well as Cissus and Burn24.
 
Alasel said:
If you look around in the UK sites, you will see that more sites stock X factor than X gels... And I love X factor and one of the 'major' UK sites actually done an interview with W Llewellyn as he is held in high regard as are Molecular Nutrition and for good reason. SNS is also a solid brand and it is because of X factor that I have purchased X gels and if they perform anything like X factor (same active) I will be more than happy.
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Thanks for your support!

Both X-Factor original and X-Factor Advanced are currently available in two sizes: 100ct and 200ct bottles.

Within two weeks one of the major e-tailers will have the exclusive 200ct X-Factor for cheap and the other will have the exclusive X-Factor Advanced 200ct, also for very cheap. These will be the way to go if you are a UK customer. And of course everybody else will have the 100ct versions of both.

The 60ct has been long discontinued in favor of the 100ct.
 
THANKS

kbayne said:
I would just drop fish oil and CLA while taking ArA. If you do want to continue taking them, yes 6 hours away from ArA will be good as well as Cissus and Burn24.
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OK THANKS, YEAH I'LL DROP THE CLA AND FISH OIL I DON'T DESPERATELY NEED IT OR ANYTHING BUT IM NOT TOO CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE BURN24? I KNOW CISSUS XT WOULD BE DOSED 6 HRS AWAY BUT DOES THAT GO FOR THE BURN 24 AS WELL? IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS IN IT NOT SURE IF THATS ENOUGH TO AFFECT ARA OR NOT?
 
eddiesr123 said:
OK THANKS, YEAH I'LL DROP THE CLA AND FISH OIL I DON'T DESPERATELY NEED IT OR ANYTHING BUT IM NOT TOO CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE BURN24? I KNOW CISSUS XT WOULD BE DOSED 6 HRS AWAY BUT DOES THAT GO FOR THE BURN 24 AS WELL? IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS IN IT NOT SURE IF THATS ENOUGH TO AFFECT ARA OR NOT?
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No I doubt 100mg of Cissus in Burn24 will affect ArA. I wasn't sure how much cissus was in Burn24. You should be good to dose it whenever.
 
SwolenONE said:
Thanks for your support!

Both X-Factor original and X-Factor Advanced are currently available in two sizes: 100ct and 200ct bottles.

Within two weeks one of the major e-tailers will have the exclusive 200ct X-Factor for cheap and the other will have the exclusive X-Factor Advanced 200ct, also for very cheap. These will be the way to go if you are a UK customer. And of course everybody else will have the 100ct versions of both.

The 60ct has been long discontinued in favor of the 100ct.
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Your welcome, credit where credit is due. Most places have the 60ct of X-Factor but I haven't seen the 100ct about. Oh really!? So the 200ct will be available in the UK? are you able to hint whom will have the 200ct version... I'm excited, hopefully will be affordable
 
eddiesr123 said:
OK THANKS, YEAH I'LL DROP THE CLA AND FISH OIL I DON'T DESPERATELY NEED IT OR ANYTHING BUT IM NOT TOO CLEAR ON WHAT YOUR SAYING IN REGARDS TO THE BURN24? I KNOW CISSUS XT WOULD BE DOSED 6 HRS AWAY BUT DOES THAT GO FOR THE BURN 24 AS WELL? IT HAS 100MG OF CISSUS IN IT NOT SURE IF THATS ENOUGH TO AFFECT ARA OR NOT?
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Yea avoid fish oil, I take cissus/fish oil soon as I wake up and workout late evening , have been working great

As for burn24, 45mg cissus per cap is less , I suppose if u were taking 2caps it would be allright with XF original or xgels
 
Alasel said:
Your welcome, credit where credit is due. Most places have the 60ct of X-Factor but I haven't seen the 100ct about. Oh really!? So the 200ct will be available in the UK? are you able to hint whom will have the 200ct version... I'm excited, hopefully will be affordable
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Yea, within two weeks everybody should have stock of both 100ct XFO and XFA, and of course the XFA 200ct is already available in the UK and there will also be the one other store with XFO 200ct.

Shoot me an email tim (at) mnbody dot com for more info if you are having trouble locating our products.
 
SwolenONE said:
Yea, within two weeks everybody should have stock of both 100ct XFO and XFA, and of course the XFA 200ct is already available in the UK and there will also be the one other store with XFO 200ct.

Shoot me an email tim (at) mnbody dot com for more info if you are having trouble locating our products.
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What are your thoughts of long term use of Ara at a lower amount, say 250-500mg per day?
 
mw1 said:
How many weeks aqua re you talking about when you say long term?
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This is a good question, long term inflammation would not be a good thing...
 
NomZ said:
This is a good question, long term inflammation would not be a good thing...
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I thought it was local inflammation, specifically in muscle tissue. I'm sure I read that W Llewelyn takes one (250mg) everyday when asked what his supplement regime was... I'm just curious as its found in food, so why would you have to cycle it? It's high in eggs for example but I eat them for long duration. I'm just theorising but someone with better knowledge maybe of the scientific facts please correct me
 
Bill and I, as well as others close to us have ran 250mg and 500mg per day protocols with good success. While we do occasionally surpass 50 days when doing so, we do not recommend to take it continuously. Be sure to take regular breaks, time on = time off is always a good rule/rough guideline to follow with most ergogenic supplements.
 
Due to its pro-inflammatory properties, would Ara possibly increase the chance of injury?
For example, since I have some shoulder problems would I encounter more issues while on ArA? Has anyone experienced this?
 
doggy_dog said:
Due to its pro-inflammatory properties, would Ara possibly increase the chance of injury?
For example, since I have some shoulder problems would I encounter more issues while on ArA? Has anyone experienced this?
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If you have a pre-existing injury, it may aggravate that injury.

Some people go ahead anyways and can handle it, others not. I was running 1.5-2g X-Gels for a while with a bum elbow, I just did not dose on upper body days and took my Cissus XT later in the day.
 
doggy_dog said:
Due to its pro-inflammatory properties, would Ara possibly increase the chance of injury?
For example, since I have some shoulder problems would I encounter more issues while on ArA? Has anyone experienced this?
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I think it would depend heavily on what the pre-existing injury is. I've got a few, but I don't find them to be any less manageable due to ArA supplementation.
 
^ Thanks for the responses.

I guess I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.
Crossing my fingers that it works out and I dont end up crippled.
 
With inflammation being a large part of the bodies natural healing process, we've heard many say that small cuts/wounds seem to actually heal faster while on X-Factor.

In the instance of dealing with a current injury though, I always play it safe and do not take arachidonic acid until I'm pretty well healed.

Much like anti hero's feedback, I have a few small nagging injuries, they dont seem to nag me any more or less while on X-Factor or X-Factor Advanced. It seems to be a non issue for most.
 
doggy_dog said:
^ Thanks for the responses.

I guess I'll give it a shot and see how it goes.
Crossing my fingers that it works out and I dont end up crippled.
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You can always dose Cissus after ArA (I dose Cissus XT about 6hrs after X-gels) if it does start to become a problem; or run it at a lower dose.
 
ArA doesn't seem to aggravate any existing complaints I have.

I always seem to get mild tendonitis in my elbow as well as noticing more joint stiffness throughout my body whilst on it but nothing major.
 
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