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Recomp with Epistane / Win50 / Trenazone

breezy11 said:
Solid chest work wasme. How'd you like the ascending ladder pushups?


Can't wait for game time!
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You were right, far more effective going that way! Totally burn out and crazy chest pump.


...should be fantastic game! Rangers will come out flying, but the B's will pounce hard too..
 
wasme said:
You were right, far more effective going that way! Totally burn out and crazy chest pump.


...should be fantastic game! Rangers will come out flying, but the B's will pounce hard too..
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Awesome. Glad to hear it worked out for you.

Yeah, it should be exciting. I heard Richards was scratched.
 
Lets go Flyers.....lets go Flyers......
 
wasme said:
After about 5 days on trenazone, I do not notice much. Come to think of it though.. for the last 3 days I have been sweating like crazy and hours post workout.

I am also using Ignite2 / MaxPUMP preworkout at the moment, so some of the heat could be coming from that.

Is trenazone supposed to help increase cardio runner?
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I'm not sure. Tren normally kills cardio but trenazone bypasses the conversion so I'm unclear
 
runner_79 said:
I'm not sure. Tren normally kills cardio but trenazone bypasses the conversion so I'm unclear
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So, I will pretend I did not read that, as I will just play mind games with myself. lol

Actually, I will take note of any changes in performance.
 
wasme said:
So, I will pretend I did not read that, as I will just play mind games with myself. lol

Actually, I will take note of any changes in performance.
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Thanks bud.
 
Day 26: Back / Traps


Warm up: 4 km Run (route with a strong incline near the end)


Dumbbell Deadstops:
90x8
90x8
90x8
90x8


Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns: from kneeling position on floor
210x12
220x12
230x12
230x10


MD Pullovers: Watched video 2-3 times before executing and felt it even more in my lats this time. Great exercise!
60x10
60x10
60x10
60x10


Seated Wide Cable Row:
150x8
150x8
150x8
150x8


Reeves Deadlifts: EZ curl bar. Used a bit of a wide stance this time, and felt it even more. Hard squeeze/shrug on each rep.
200x5
200x5
210x5
210x5


**Stretchers: stop at the top for a really good stretch
150x12x7


Upright Rows:
100x8
100x8
100x8


**Shrugs (3 sec pause): last set was agony.
60x12x7


After talking to Mattys4 I am planning to change my Epistane dosing on Monday to 60mg for the last 3 weeks. Yesterday I bumped it from 40mg to 50mg, and will do that for the next 3 days to access any sides... Will update dosing in first post.
 
wasme said:
Day 26: Back / Traps

Warm up: 4 km Run (route with a strong incline near the end)

Dumbbell Deadstops:
90x8
90x8
90x8
90x8

Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns: from kneeling position on floor
210x12
220x12
230x12
230x10

MD Pullovers: Watched video 2-3 times before executing and felt it even more in my lats this time. Great exercise!
60x10
60x10
60x10
60x10

Seated Wide Cable Row:
150x8
150x8
150x8
150x8

Reeves Deadlifts: EZ curl bar. Used a bit of a wide stance this time, and felt it even more. Hard squeeze/shrug on each rep.
200x5
200x5
210x5
210x5

**Stretchers: stop at the top for a really good stretch
150x12x7

Upright Rows:
100x8
100x8
100x8

**Shrugs (3 sec pause): last set was agony.
60x12x7

After talking to Mattys4 I am planning to change my Epistane dosing on Monday to 60mg for the last 3 weeks. Yesterday I bumped it from 40mg to 50mg, and will do that for the next 3 days to access any sides... Will update dosing in first post.
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Always looking strong wasme. The reeves deadlift numbers are very impressive. Continue on my friend. You are really doing well here.
 
Thanks FU buddy. I am really enjoying the Reeves deads, and also got allot more from the pullovers this time as well.
 
Strong is his name all over! I'd kill to have half what craziness! Killer workout WASME!!
 
Day 27 - Shoulders / Chest pump

The key to great workouts...not having to go to work. LMAO

Warmup: 5.2km

Cage Press:
175x8
185x8
185x8
185x7 - forced the last couple and form was slipping.

Arnold Press:
60x7
55x8
55x7

6 ways: Form started getting sloppy on my second set so dropped my weight 2.5 to ensure the form was on point.
7.5x10
7.5x10
10x10
10x8

** Face Pulls: 2-3 second pause on contraction
120x7x12

Dumbbell Twist n Press:
60x10
60x9
60x8
60x6

Incline Barbell Press: to 3/4 lockout for constant tension
170x8
190x8
210x8
220x6

** Machine Flys:
100x7x12

Standing Barbell Calves:
190x5x15

SS with Ladder Pushups: BURNOUT 15 second rest between sets
Level 1 x 25 (lowest)
Level 2 x 18
Level 3 x 15
Level 4 x 18 (highest)

Shoulders feel wrecked, and chest is pumped and exhausted. Feels good!

GO B's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
That's a whole lot of stuff. FST-7 on multiple body part day. Awesome workout. Oh yeah, throw in a 5k to start.

Have you noticed any body comp change ? If so, where do you see the biggest difference ? For me, def arms and shoulders
 
fumoney said:
That's a whole lot of stuff. FST-7 on multiple body part day. Awesome workout. Oh yeah, throw in a 5k to start.

Have you noticed any body comp change ? If so, where do you see the biggest difference ? For me, def arms and shoulders
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Thanks man!

Definitely noticing a change in my arms, shoulders and uppers/outer pecs. All seem fuller and have more muscle definition. Muscle pump and hardness is almost 24 hours a day now.

I was hoping to lean out some, but notice no changes in my midsection.. perhaps the final 3 weeks will reflect this a bit.

I have also noticed that my forehead is greasier..
 
wasme said:
Thanks man!

Definitely noticing a change in my arms, shoulders and uppers/outer pecs. All seem fuller and have more muscle definition. Muscle pump and hardness is almost 24 hours a day now.

I was hoping to lean out some, but notice no changes in my midsection.. perhaps the final 3 weeks will reflect this a bit.

I have also noticed that my forehead is greasier..
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Haha. Same here. Good ole stomach is still there.
 
I might have to adjust dosing.. Blood pressure yesterday was 153/78, 146/76, 133/75. It was an extremely stressful day at home, which could also have impacted those numbers. My mind also feels a little foggy/cloudy but I could just be tired today.

I will certainly not increase anything until I see the numbers fall back to the normal range. I will be checking 1-2 times per day.

Mon-Wed workouts this week will be done after work, as I have to be in early all week. Thursday is a rest day, and Friday is my compressed day so I have I can resume morning workouts then.

Will update again, post workout. Enjoy your day off guys.
 
Is there any way to tell which PH is causing the high blood pressure ? Def, get that BP down by any means.
 
chedapalooza said:
Definitely the trenazone. As for how to dose to fix it, I'm at a loss. Maybe look into a supp to counter it n lower the bp
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Thanks Cheda.. glad you confirmed it is the trenazone. I am taking extra Hawthorne berry now.. but not sure that will kick in fast enough. What about Celery Seed Extract?
 
wasme said:
Thanks Cheda.. glad you confirmed it is the trenazone. I am taking extra Hawthorne berry now.. but not sure that will kick in fast enough. What about Celery Seed Extract?
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OK a few things . . . Epi has caused high BP in others that I know so keep an eye on it and they were running epi solo not a stack.

Grape Seed extract will kick in faster than HB so I might give that a go but YES keep an eye on it as if its that high just walking around think of what it is during a heavy squat . . . Just saying buddy

Keep us posted . . .
 
Mass Monkey said:
OK a few things . . . Epi has caused high BP in others that I know so keep an eye on it and they were running epi solo not a stack.

Grape Seed extract will kick in faster than HB so I might give that a go but YES keep an eye on it as if its that high just walking around think of what it is during a heavy squat . . . Just saying buddy

Keep us posted . . .
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Thanks for the info, I'll stop and grab some Grape Seed Extract after work...
 
Great advice guys. I hope it helps you wasme.
 
I think it can impact BP... that said I have read logs of epistane being stacked with ECA... But I will cut it out for the rest of the week just to see (coffee that is)
 
Yeah sorry I forgot to say that last post. Most will agree no stimulants on cycle.

I tried to add coffee this cycle and ah NO! lol

So if your using any pre workouts I'd cut them first as a suggestion
 
Mass Monkey said:
Yeah sorry I forgot to say that last post. Most will agree no stimulants on cycle.

I tried to add coffee this cycle and ah NO! lol

So if your using any pre workouts I'd cut them first as a suggestion
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Just put in a solid workout.. crappy run but arms are wrote off... will update shortly... thanks again.
 
Day 29: ARMS


As mentioned early, I am fighting some high blood pressure values. Have upped both my Hawthorne Berry and water consumption. Feel very tired today. Funny although my run was not good, my weights workout was fantastic.


Warm up: 4km - horrible run, my legs felt like logs... dragged myself through the park


-Rest after each superset was 15-30 seconds.


Crossbody Hammer Curls:
60x10
60x10
60x10L/8R
60x8


SS w/Rope Pushdowns:
110x10
110x10
110x10
110x10


Preacher Curls:
100x10
100x10
100x10
100x8


SS w/Close Grip Bench
150x10
160x10
170x10
180x8


Alternating Dumbbell Curls:
45x8
45x8
45x8
45x7


SS w/ Overhead Tri Extension:
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10


**EzBar Curls (3 sec negatives):
80x10x7


**V-Bar Tricep Pushdowns (2 second hold in extended position):
140x12x7


Standing Calves:
160x15x5


Weight increased in 5 different exercises. I felt some good aggression during the alternating curls/overhead tri extension superset that carried through to the 7s. Despite my tired/lazy mental state when starting today, I felt great while lifting.
 
wasme said:
Day 29: ARMS

As mentioned early, I am fighting some high blood pressure values. Have upped both my Hawthorne Berry and water consumption. Feel very tired today. Funny although my run was not good, my weights workout was fantastic.

Warm up: 4km - horrible run, my legs felt like logs... dragged myself through the park

-Rest after each superset was 15-30 seconds.

Crossbody Hammer Curls:
60x10
60x10
60x10L/8R
60x8

SS w/Rope Pushdowns:
110x10
110x10
110x10
110x10

Preacher Curls:
100x10
100x10
100x10
100x8

SS w/Close Grip Bench
150x10
160x10
170x10
180x8

Alternating Dumbbell Curls:
45x8
45x8
45x8
45x7

SS w/ Overhead Tri Extension:
120x10
120x10
120x10
120x10

**EzBar Curls (3 sec negatives):
80x10x7

**V-Bar Tricep Pushdowns (2 second hold in extended position):
140x12x7

Standing Calves:
160x15x5

Weight increased in 5 different exercises. I felt some good aggression during the alternating curls/overhead tri extension superset that carried through to the 7s. Despite my tired/lazy mental state when starting today, I felt great while lifting.
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That's a lot if work on high BP. I can feel my heart racing and head throbbing just reading this.

I know running with headache is ridiculously tough.

Nice job fighting through warrior. You don't let anything stop you from achieving your goals.
 
fumoney said:
That's a lot if work on high BP. I can feel my heart racing and head throbbing just reading this.

I know running with headache is ridiculously tough.

Nice job fighting through warrior. You don't let anything stop you from achieving your goals.
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FU, it is guys like you that give me that strength. Can't let my brothers down. Thanks man!
 
Good lord those are some strong curls brotha. Did u say you cut caffeine out because of BP?
 
wasme said:
Thanks Dan.

Yes I am cutting out the 2-3 cups of coffee / day this week, but I did use Ignite2 today.
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Maybe look into a PWO with nitrates since nitrates lower BP. Obviously I like condense lol but if your going non stim I know max pump also has nitrates. If you don't need a PWO though (I HAVE to have one lol) I guess it's no big deal for you haha. I'd die without my pre's lol
 
Danb2285 said:
Maybe look into a PWO with nitrates since nitrates lower BP. Obviously I like condense lol but if your going non stim I know max pump also has nitrates. If you don't need a PWO though (I HAVE to have one lol) I guess it's no big deal for you haha. I'd die without my pre's lol
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Actually I love condense. Had my wife bring me two bottles back from Houston not long ago. And some Muscle Marinade - but I have yet to try that. Like you, I need a preworkout to get all fired up. At the moment I am using MaxPUMP and Ignite2 (courtesy of Snags).. really enjoying the MaxPUMP. Once I am finished the month of that, I am going to try Condense/MM together.

I also have some Purus Organ shield and was thinking of adding that to my Cel Cycle Assist for the Cq10. Not sure if that is over kill or not though.
 
wasme said:
Actually I love condense. Had my wife bring me two bottles back from Houston not long ago. And some Muscle Marinade - but I have yet to try that. Like you, I need a preworkout to get all fired up. At the moment I am using MaxPUMP and Ignite2 (courtesy of Snags).. really enjoying the MaxPUMP. Once I am finished the month of that, I am going to try Condense/MM together.

I also have some Purus Organ shield and was thinking of adding that to my Cel Cycle Assist for the Cq10. Not sure if that is over kill or not though.
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Nice! I'm using max pump/alphamine/condense right now. Careful mixing MM and condense. The 1,3 in MM makes it pretty potent stuff. If I mix MM. And condense i do like 1 scoop of condense and like 1/2 MM and I'm a complete stim junkie lol. Hopefully the BP starts looking better.
 
Danb2285 said:
Nice! I'm using max pump/alphamine/condense right now. Careful mixing MM and condense. The 1,3 in MM makes it pretty potent stuff. If I mix MM. And condense i do like 1 scoop of condense and like 1/2 MM and I'm a complete stim junkie lol. Hopefully the BP starts looking better.
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Thanks Dan. And let's hope!
 
Something I have noticed over the last 48 hours is a constant hunger. Having cravings but more so I can eat and 5 minutes later feel hungry again. I just had a P28 bagel with sliced chicken in it and a quest bar for lunch (10 minutes ago). I think I could re-eat the entire meal. It is like the Anabeta Elite black hole on steriods lol. This could be bad for me, as I am day dreaming about dinner! lol
 
wasme said:
Something I have noticed over the last 48 hours is a constant hunger. Having cravings but more so I can eat and 5 minutes later feel hungry again. I just had a P28 bagel with sliced chicken in it and a quest bar for lunch (10 minutes ago). I think I could re-eat the entire meal. It is like the Anabeta Elite black hole on steriods lol. This could be bad for me, as I am day dreaming about dinner! lol
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That's a good sign. Only thing I have not experienced yet.
 
Mass Monkey said:
One rule of thumb I always use while ON is to add 1000 cals to my maintenance diet . . help in that department lol
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I was trying to hold cals steady to not gain fat but add lean mass while leaning.. but I might not have much choice because I am literally starving..
 
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