Cialis/Viagra SUPPLEMENTS
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Grambo
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There's nothing on the market that will compare to a PDE5 inhibitor like those drugs.
Possibilities though:
Horny Goat Weed
L-arginine
Maca
mucuna pruriens (especially if Prolactin causing it)
Yohimbine as mentioned
DAA, possibly though this gets more into libido versus erection quality
I've noticed some improvement with Alphamine, and could be in part to the Higenamine as well as Alpha yohimbine
Possibilities though:
Horny Goat Weed
L-arginine
Maca
mucuna pruriens (especially if Prolactin causing it)
Yohimbine as mentioned
DAA, possibly though this gets more into libido versus erection quality
I've noticed some improvement with Alphamine, and could be in part to the Higenamine as well as Alpha yohimbine
Spaniard
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Citrulline Malate has actually been studied directly for erection quality and has from what I've seen been overall ruled relatively favourable man. If just looking for strength of erection, not libido try out Citrulline, Agmatine, and or Nitrates.
Again Citrulline has been specifically studied for what you're looking for. I recommended nitrates and agmatine based on my own results. Nitrates do seem to increase "strength" more so than agmatine but Citrulline is where I would start.
Smitty77
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Exactly. And in my experience, there isn't an OTC product that even comes close.
Whacked
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Thanks
Oddly enough, cialis does NOT make me want to pass out (I suspect a BP lowering issue) whereas Agmatine does
Maybe I'll try Citruline.
How much?
Oddly enough, cialis does NOT make me want to pass out (I suspect a BP lowering issue) whereas Agmatine does
Maybe I'll try Citruline.
How much?
Spaniard
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Specifically this - " Citrulline in erectile dysfunction
In single blind, short-term study in men with erectile dysfunction (ED) (erection hardness score of 3) l-citrulline was given 1.5 g/day for a month, which concluded it to be a safe and psychologically well accepted and reported as very satisfying by patients, although less effective than phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, with improvement in erection hardness score from 3 to 4 [86]. So, it may prove effective in mild-to-moderate ED that requires further research in this area."
The link provided goes over a ton of different uses for Citrulline. It's a legit supp.
*I didn't dissect the study looking for any biases etc it's just a newer Citrulline read I stumbled upon. Take it or leave it
Specifically this - " Citrulline in erectile dysfunction
In single blind, short-term study in men with erectile dysfunction (ED) (erection hardness score of 3) l-citrulline was given 1.5 g/day for a month, which concluded it to be a safe and psychologically well accepted and reported as very satisfying by patients, although less effective than phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, with improvement in erection hardness score from 3 to 4 [86]. So, it may prove effective in mild-to-moderate ED that requires further research in this area."
The link provided goes over a ton of different uses for Citrulline. It's a legit supp.
*I didn't dissect the study looking for any biases etc it's just a newer Citrulline read I stumbled upon. Take it or leave it
ddfox
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No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products
Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?
Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
VPX Power Shock comes to mind. And it should have Citrulline.
cdiblasi
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Evomuse Alphaburn comes to mindNo one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products
Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?
Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
Spaniard
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No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products
Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?
Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
No problem man.
There are creatine nitrates, leucine nitrates, bcaa nitrates, potassium nitrates etc... you could also up your dietary nitrate intake. Beets/beetroot juice are high in nitrates. A lot of high caliber athletes drink beetroot juice prior to big comps. I guess a sexual dynamo could drink it prior to bedroom Olympics lol
Spaniard
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Yea I spaced DAA nitrate my bad man...
AnabolicHolic
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Yohimbe has always been the most effective for me with regards to actual erection firmness....not libido, just keeps it hard. Good stuff....gets my vote over any of the other stuff combined (other than Viagra and cialis of course)
mr.cooper69
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No one seems to sell rauwolscine w/o combining it in other products
Are there any nitrates that are not copmbined with creatine?
Spaniard - Thanks for Citrilline info
Enhanced should do a number on erection quality, being dead serious.
All of the following have data:
Nitrates
nPYE
Higenamine
The following mechanistically make sense:
Choline sources (erection is parasympathetic/cholinergic)
Agmatine
ericool007
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Supersaponins is my favorite huge libido increase initially but then tapered off.
I also think as others said citrulline can do wonders.
agmatine and maybe nitrates wont hurt either
I also think as others said citrulline can do wonders.
agmatine and maybe nitrates wont hurt either
AnabolicHolic
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I just took .5mg of cabergoline since I'm halfway through a cycle that involves deca, man that stuff works well for this purpose. maintained the erection for quite some time without even making a conscious effort. caber + cialis or caber + yohimbe would probably make for a fun time lol. Then again caber is an rx drug and I'm not sure if its up for consideration taking into account viagra and cialis are the comparison. But the natty prolactin inhibitors don't even come close to this stuff.
ahh123
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It's hard to have stronger erection without increase in libido since brain is the one sending a signal for erection to start.
Similar I've found I could take any kind of erection booster but if my libido is down then erection will not happen or won't stay as long as I want.
Best option would be to stack libido booster & erection booster so no surprise Cabergoline & Cialis combo is so popular as weekend stack due to both having effects that last 2-3 days.
Best potential to boost libido is by increasing levels of testosterone and dopamine and that's why (mainly) prescription or illegal drugs work so great until tolerance or abuse kicks in then you can get addiction and/or withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking them or simply tolerance kicks in and initial effect is gone.
Erection stops after guys reach orgasm and ejaculate - when this happens prolactin levels shuts up so another potential mechanism to strengthen or prolong erection would be to reduce prolactin level especially if guy have higher levels in first place.
That's why it's no surprise cabergolin as dopamine 2 receptor agonist works so well before tolerance kicks in - it raises dopamine (libido booster) and reduce prolactin (erection booster).
But negative with any dopaminergic is tolerance (works only first few times), abuse, addiction, withdrawal symptoms.
From OTC stuff I tried 1 supplement that did help in both areas for me was Tongkat Ali (of course not same strength as prescription substances) and I also tried to combine it with Icariin 60% and it was slightly better effect.
Also tried few times Yohimbine HCL up to 10mg/dose and it helped a little as erection booster but again if you not horny no erection booster will do much since erection starts in brain and for this you need to be 1st horny.
I also tried few times Citrulline malate 5g dose as well AAKG 4g that had no effect on me.
Similar I've found I could take any kind of erection booster but if my libido is down then erection will not happen or won't stay as long as I want.
Best option would be to stack libido booster & erection booster so no surprise Cabergoline & Cialis combo is so popular as weekend stack due to both having effects that last 2-3 days.
Best potential to boost libido is by increasing levels of testosterone and dopamine and that's why (mainly) prescription or illegal drugs work so great until tolerance or abuse kicks in then you can get addiction and/or withdrawal symptoms when you stop taking them or simply tolerance kicks in and initial effect is gone.
Erection stops after guys reach orgasm and ejaculate - when this happens prolactin levels shuts up so another potential mechanism to strengthen or prolong erection would be to reduce prolactin level especially if guy have higher levels in first place.
That's why it's no surprise cabergolin as dopamine 2 receptor agonist works so well before tolerance kicks in - it raises dopamine (libido booster) and reduce prolactin (erection booster).
But negative with any dopaminergic is tolerance (works only first few times), abuse, addiction, withdrawal symptoms.
From OTC stuff I tried 1 supplement that did help in both areas for me was Tongkat Ali (of course not same strength as prescription substances) and I also tried to combine it with Icariin 60% and it was slightly better effect.
Also tried few times Yohimbine HCL up to 10mg/dose and it helped a little as erection booster but again if you not horny no erection booster will do much since erection starts in brain and for this you need to be 1st horny.
I also tried few times Citrulline malate 5g dose as well AAKG 4g that had no effect on me.
AnabolicHolic
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I was wondering how the cabergoline effect would attenuate with chronic usage on a 6-12 week cycle plus maybe a few weeks post cycle. That is a long time, but I figured it would work and exert its effects over that period of time....then it would probably be best to only use it off cycle when you have a 'hot date' so to speak. Using it for several months straight EOD or so (only during cycles that would raise prolactin)......then only using it sparingly over the remainder of the year I hope would not cause any major tolerance. As for the yohimbe, I find horny or not if I cause an erection (again by whatever means necessary horny or not)....the yohimbe will maintain the erection regardless. But that is just my experience. And for whatever reason, the yohimbe fuel herbal extract works WAY better for me than the pure HCL pills available by other companies. I was taking one or two yohimbe fuel caps vs. 2 HCL caps though......and the labels say the fuel has more mg per cap (but its an herbal extract so who the fck knows what you get from it).
ahh123
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I think many thinking your way regarding cabergoline to use for longer periods not just a week or two but i think most of them found out that tolerance hits maybe already with 2nd or 3rd dose so after 2 weeks use or even sooner.
I myself haven't tried cabergoline but would be interested just in Europe not possible to buy it without prescription and don't want to mess with customs if order from India that can be hit or miss with what they send you.
Would be interested in yohimbe extract as well vs Yohimbine HCl cause other stuff in extract also work on erection boosting just again need to know for reliable herbal extract so do tell us here what you tried or send me PM with name of yohimbe herbal product or website where you buy it and how much you use and how often you take it.
Few such extracts could be without yohimbine but maybe spiked with PDE5 which you can figure out by measuring your blood pressure since yohimbine as stimulant raise blood pressure where PDE5 as vasodilatator lowers it.
AnabolicHolic
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I think NP carries Twinlab Yohimbe fuel, which is an herbal yohimbe extract capsule that I have used and found most effective....so we are allowed to speak about it here. They are 800mg at 8% extract for 2 caps. So two of these are equal to ~3 Yohimbe HCL caps in mg amount at least (they are usually 2.5mg each). Twinlab is about the longest tenured and highly respected (and expensive) supplement line....so what is on the label? is in there I assure you. I have been using twinlab since I was a teen, and I'm 40 now
But yeah, I got some caber from overseas recently myself, and I am 99% sure it was not legit since I got none of the usual (side) effects I would expect. Then I ordered some from a domestic RC company, and first dose it gave me all the indicators it was legit....which is odd for an RC in my experience. I also ordered tadalafil from the same RC company and I will use that in a short while to compare to how the caber affected me since like you say, how do you know your caber or whatever is not viagra or cialis? But I need the prolactin inhibiting effect of the caber to counteract the deca-durabolin (it is known to raise prolactin)...I don't "need" the pro-sexual effect, but its a nice "side effect". But I'll let you know if the cabers pro-sexual effects lessen or if they continue throughout the 6+ weeks.
ahh123
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I tried goji extract and either didn't feel much change or already 1 or 2 caps gave me diarrhea.
If goji extract pills would be a close match to Viagra we'd definitely hear raving all over the world.
Still I don't exclude with higher dose it can work up to some level for some men.
criticalbench
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Honestly, viagra/cialis is your best bet. It shouldn't be impossible to get from your doctor, and its never faked for research because results are seen in 15 mins lol. Kinda hard to fake.
AnabolicHolic
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yea for real, I always order some cialis or viagra with whatever (Clomid etc)....since they are about the only things you can gauge the quality of the RC company with. If your dick doesn't get really hard in a half hour or so? Then all their shyt is probably bunk
Doesn't mean the rest of their stuff is legit, but its at least a good indicator.
Whacked
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Yeah, I agree man. Guess that's what I'll stick with
Anyone on daily cialis?
That'd be sweet to always have that WOOD ability without having to rememe to time the taking of a pill
Anyone on daily cialis?
That'd be sweet to always have that WOOD ability without having to rememe to time the taking of a pill
McCrew530
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Off Topic but...
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Flaw
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I recently combined Ginkgo Biloba with Vinpocetine For memory problems and after a few days didn't notice much in terms of improved memory but WOW definitely improved blood flow down there. Libido shot up too. I think it was a combination of increased dopamine and blood flow. Add mucuna puriens standardized to a 100-200mg of L-dopa and libido was annoying high. Prolactin destroyed lol.
If you want instant results Yohimbe is the way too go if you can handle the stimulation and side effects. It's too stimulating for me but it will do the job faster than any other supplement I've tried. [h=1][/h]
If you want instant results Yohimbe is the way too go if you can handle the stimulation and side effects. It's too stimulating for me but it will do the job faster than any other supplement I've tried. [h=1][/h]
AnabolicHolic
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Viagra was initially slated to be a heart medication that helped with pulmonary hypertension/HBP and damaged right ventricle heart tissue.....but one of the "side effects" was a continuous raging hard-on, poor guinea pigs in that study right? what a horrible side effect lol So I would assume viagra at least would be a safe daily supplement esp at lower dosages....and quite possibly could be beneficial to the heart health of healthy individuals since it was supposed to be of benefit to those with heart damage and/or reduced ejection fraction. Not sure if the hard-on effect would diminish over time? But I was actually thinking of using viagra daily to help with my heart since I had exactly that type of damage and that type of weakness in my heart. But I didn't have a wife or GF at the time and that would entail a lot of jerking off
Now that I am 90% healed, I was thinking of running viagra at a low dose myself funny enough....but I just never got around to it and wasn't sure how effective it is on the heart health aspect since they took the ED angle and ran with it and couldn't care less about what it does for the heart since they make billions on the ED effect. I have not researched how cialis works into all of this though, may work by the same mechanisms as viagra?
Grambo
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They all work on the same mechanism of action just durations are different basically. Phosphodiesterase-5 inhibition.
Viagra can be prescribed for hypertension under the name Revatio, which is actually no win a generic form and available at some pharmacies.
Haven't seen it written as the generic yet but it could be done by a doctor.
Viagra can be prescribed for hypertension under the name Revatio, which is actually no win a generic form and available at some pharmacies.
Haven't seen it written as the generic yet but it could be done by a doctor.
AnabolicHolic
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doctors completely ignore it as a heart/cardiovascular medication, like it never existed (in either incarnation). You totally would need to self prescribe/medicate with this one. And the funny part is that way back when I was the poster child for exactly this type of medication and no mention was made of it, just so happens I knew about viagra's history and gave it some thought as something that could have helped me out.
criticalbench
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Pediatric cardiology utilizes viagra for pulmonary hypertension quite frequently.
I wouldnt use this for cardiac health. Erection quality is not as good over time. Ive read before taking viagra more than 4x per week diminishes its quality.. but who knows just read that.
If you truly do have heart complications like myself.. you should be pharmacologically managed.
Mike
I wouldnt use this for cardiac health. Erection quality is not as good over time. Ive read before taking viagra more than 4x per week diminishes its quality.. but who knows just read that.
If you truly do have heart complications like myself.. you should be pharmacologically managed.
Mike
criticalbench
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Grambo said:
I love my coreg and enalapril!
AnabolicHolic
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I'm good with my beta blocker and ACE, went from <10% to in the 50%'s in about 4 or so years time many years ago.....but anything that could help is worth looking into. As for doctors, my cardiologist never prescribed me a beta blocker....for a cardiomyopathy patient with an EF of <10% who's one biggest need was to lower his heart rate (other than piss out the excess water), my GP that I saw a short while later suggested it and gave me sample boxes of it. w/o that? I'd probably be dead. Something to think about when putting your life in the hands of some of these "specialists". But this thread is more about ED med's, and more specifically "ED" usage of "ED" meds . And I agree, the anti-ED effects have to attenuate quickly with daily or EOD use.....just seems logical. But then again my ACE and beta blocker seem to keep my BP and heart rate at steady levels for years and years at a time at the same dosage as a comparison....
. And I agree, the anti-ED effects have to attenuate quickly with daily or EOD use.....just seems logical. But then again my ACE and beta blocker seem to keep my BP and heart rate at steady levels for years and years at a time at the same dosage as a comparison....criticalbench
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AnabolicHolic said:I'm good with my beta blocker and ACE, went from <10% to in the 50%'s in about 4 or so years time many years ago.....but anything that could help is worth looking into. As for doctors, my cardiologist never prescribed me a beta blocker....for a cardiomyopathy patient with an EF of <10% who's one biggest need was to lower his heart rate (other than piss out the excess water), my GP that I saw a short while later suggested it and gave me sample boxes of it. w/o that? I'd probably be dead. Something to think about when putting your life in the hands of some of these "specialists". But this thread is more about ED med's, and more specifically "ED" usage of "ED" meds
Well coreg alpha beta blocker is what has greatly enhanced my ejection fraction and my ace reversed my left ventricular hypertrophy that is suspected to be a result of un diagnosed childhood sleep apnea. My daytime sleepiness was always blamed on lifting and playing ice hockey everyday.. nobody would listen when i said i wake every hour panting and heart racing.
Mike
AnabolicHolic
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oddly enough same thing here, and same medications as well. But I got symptoms later in life, like maybe late 20's early 30's...probably from using too many OTC stims like ephedrine etc? or other OTC stuff from that era? I mean GHB was legal and OTC then so imagine what else was lol. Also I am sure there was a genetic predisposition present. If you are athletic and/or muscular/lean built....they always want to assume you are healthy and there is no way you could have some life threatening issue. That fact, and being able to overcome the symptoms (from being "tough" and hearty), work against you since the symptoms can't bring you down like they would a person living a more unhealthy lifestyle who would succumb much more quickly....and it can go undiagnosed until you REALLY can't breath just from walking around!
ahh123
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They proved it was spiked with tadalafil (active substance in Cialis) which takes us back to PDE5 as your main bet for erection - that's still dependent on your libido level.
Only thing that would cause erection without being horny is PGE1 aka alprostadil injected straight into your penis.
Interestingly they made alprostadil in form of cream to put on your dick 5min before action and approved to sell in Canada by name Vitaros (license to own and sell was bought by Abbott) already last year but probably to no surprise it's not in interest of PDE5 drug selling companies to come out yet.
AdelV
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It wasnt spiked with Cialis. It contained to different analogs. Ive tried Cialis & it barely works for me, but Aspire was insane!
ahh123
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Correct they had spike it with 2x PDE5 inhibitors - one similar to sildenafil (Viagra).
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Wouldn't mind testing it myself as well hehe.
Weird no other OTC product was copied later with similar blend or sold outside US and marketed as "New Aspire 36".
AdelV
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Dude I bought 12 bottlea, if i could of afforded it i would of bought 100! It was a lifesaver for massive bender weekends! Nothing compares to it! Im surprised no one ripped it either, including the owners of PAL!
