DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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Daycrawler said:
I guess my question is the drug tests I've passed while using tubs of what we consider 'OG'. Exp Date: 01/15 on the tubs. Lot # 1201378.

For instance, Instant Release Adderall is out of your system in 1-3 days. I was taking Craze nearly everyday though when I got drug-tested, even the morning of as I worked out in the morning then took my drug test a few hours after.

I've never heard of something being able to leave your system that quickly, especially if it's the analog they discovered that you posted.

My chem knowledge isn't as advanced as yours, obviously, but can you offer any 'theories' on how an analog would be able to not get popped on your typical "SAMHSA-5" test?
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I just got a paper emailed to me showing this analog and others and their cross reactivity in different immunoassays towards meth. Very little cross reactivity with this stuff - could easily slip through
 
dsbhaver said:
Just came out of massive joes supplement store...

They said DS have asked them to take the YouTube clip about craze having a analogue of meth in it, because DS needs more information about it before people make accusations. He went on and said "we have a letter from a pharmacist saying they found it in there"

I don't personally give a crap about it, tried it, was ok. Not a massive fan
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What a freaking joke... First it was denials, then legal threats, then more denials, somebody started selling a counterfeit version and who the hell knows what's up their sleeve next. Seems to me like they're running out of excuses. I've read several of the posts he has made at BB.com. Maybe he's really a nice guy, but he sure didn't come off that way IMO.
 
Ceredumbellum said:
What a freaking joke... First it was denials, then legal threats, then more denials, somebody started selling counterfeit Craze and who the hell knows what's up their sleeve next. Seems to me like they're running out of excuses. I've read several of the posts he has made at BB.com. Maybe he's really a nice guy, but he sure comes off as a condescending p.ric.k online.
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I never met him oddly enough
 
Afi140 said:
watchout! Vaughn might say you're slandering. But I agree 100% bro. Hopefully people will finally start to see and the truth will be unveiled.
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Personal attacks against DS and Cahill arent gonna win you any more converts than the DS diehards get when they attack anyone that is critical of DS
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Personal attacks against DS and Cahill arent gonna win you any more converts than the DS diehards get when they attack anyone that is critical of DS
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I couldn't give a crap less one way or the other. I'm not a fan of any company, though I will give props if they make a quality product(s). Nor do I hate on any of them without reason. I would just like to know what I was ingesting there for a few months. I'm sure others would like to know as well.
When you see somebody talking down to others on message boards when they're asking legitimate questions then there's a problem. That's all I was saying.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Personal attacks against DS and Cahill arent gonna win you any more converts than the DS diehards get when they attack anyone that is critical of DS
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Agreed. Sometimes pride comes in... especially when I feel like I have been ingesting God knows what and I feel like the company knew about it all along. Moving forward lol.
 
Ceredumbellum said:
I couldn't give a crap less one way or the other. I'm not a fan of any company, though I will give props if they make a quality product(s), nor do I hate on any of them without reason. I would just like to know what I was ingesting there for a few months. I'm sure others would like to know as well.
When you see somebody talking down to others on message boards when they're asking legitimate questions then there's a problem. That's all I was saying.
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My sentiment exactly. We don't have the equip or results PA has :( so i was just a blind consumer ingesting the same stuff you were
 
Haven't used craze. Thanks for posting your blog pat.
 
Pat say if it was an analog, what would be the proposed side effects/consequences of people taking it long term say > 1 bottle???
 
Patrick Arnold said:
once again, proves nothing. this is an analog. could very well not be detected (unless specifically screened for)
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Yep, for sure. Employment probably just does 5 or 10 panel maybe with an extended opiate to catch something like ultram. These wont even catch stuff like Fentanyl or other synthetics.

I worry about WADA since they have my blood on file. Could make things a but of a hassle with sponsors and etc., but doubtfully impact my day job where they run 10 panel random UAs.
 
996ttelise said:
Nothing serious. Loss of teeth, thinning of hair, thinning of skin, open sores and a generally twitchy appearance.
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This just made me think of the Workaholics episode where Adam thought he was waiting in line for a zombie game and was in a line for a needle exchange, instead. lol
 
996ttelise said:
Nothing serious. Loss of teeth, thinning of hair, thinning of skin, open sores and a generally twitchy appearance.
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I'm sure it's a naturally occuring alkaloid, right? I seem to recall it being extracted from the Dendrobium Methanobile orchid, which is abundent with many types of methamphetamine analogues.
 
996ttelise said:
Yep, for sure. Employment probably just does 5 or 10 panel maybe with an extended opiate to catch something like ultram. These wont even catch stuff like Fentanyl or other synthetics.

I worry about WADA since they have my blood on file. Could make things a but of a hassle with sponsors and etc., but doubtfully impact my day job where they run 10 panel random UAs.
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they can retest it up to 8 years. pretty stupid
 
Patrick Arnold said:
unknown really. when you change chemical structure pharmacology is unpredictable
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Hypothetically, would this be the cause of the analgesic aka numbing reported by people with OG tubs?

Just curious if the paper you were sent showed any of that...

What is the name of the study? Curious if I can locate it through my school resources, I'd hope so unless it was an advanced copy
 
dmaa said:
craze is in trouble now, look to the latest development on it.
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Can you paste a link? I know your posts are low, so just put a space in it somewhere.
 
Daycrawler said:
Hypothetically, would this be the cause of the analgesic aka numbing reported by people with OG tubs?

Just curious if the paper you were sent showed any of that...

What is the name of the study? Curious if I can locate it through my school resources, I'd hope so unless it was an advanced copy
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what study?
 
bb.com makes me wanna puke

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This is the final time it will come up

Trust me




doubtful, craze will continue to be the best pre-workout in the industry and they'll keep hurting other companies by setting an unbeatable precedent and competitors will continue their assault for one reason

they lack the ingenuity to create a better formula​

protein=steak/fish/eggs/chicken/pork
multivitamin/greens=fruits & vegetables
probiotic=yogurt
preworkout=carbohydrates
pump product=high reps/heavy weight
joint support=proper form
libido=rosie jones
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Patrick Arnold said:
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This is the final time it will come up

Trust me




doubtful, craze will continue to be the best pre-workout in the industry and they'll keep hurting other companies by setting an unbeatable precedent and competitors will continue their assault for one reason

they lack the ingenuity to create a better formula

protein=steak/fish/eggs/chicken/pork
multivitamin/greens=fruits & vegetables
probiotic=yogurt
preworkout=carbohydrates
pump product=high reps/heavy weight
joint support=proper form
libido=rosie jones
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Hahaha. This little guy was trying to get crazy and I got "permanently" banned lol. However, they overturned it within 2 hrs. I don't think they liked me saying they're suppressing possible evidence with a contaminated product that could effect thousands of people purchasing from their website.
 
well i was just permabanned from bb.com again.

my name is kochbros2012

if you saw what i said it was absolutely nothing. someone is very very scared right now
 
custom said:
What did you say? Who is the admin over there now?
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I commented on the thread about whether craze is banned in australia and whats that all aboutguys were saying that people are always knocking craze and always will. i responded with a couple of statements regarding that i think this is the last time that will happen. I was being purposedly ambiguous and i doubted anyone would caught on. maybe someone did. i think people had figured out already that i was kochbros2012
 
Afi140 said:
Hahaha. This little guy was trying to get crazy and I got "permanently" banned lol. However, they overturned it within 2 hrs. I don't think they liked me saying they're suppressing possible evidence with a contaminated product that could effect thousands of people purchasing from their website.
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I'd imagine there's quite a few people with different affiliations that haven't slept well lately over this whole thing.


Oh and in b4 any "N-Benzyl-2-PEA keeps me up at night" and "I don't sleep too well either when I take analogues of Meth" posts. :FUfinger:
 
Lol. This thing is sure to go on for a few months, and in the end all we'll be left with as the smoking gun is Mel Gibson's son in a youtube video.
 
I had a few people try N-benzyl-2-PEA at different dosages and it didnt do anything except make their mouth numb
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I had a few people try N-benzyl-2-PEA at different dosages and it didnt do anything except make their mouth numb
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My experience with the first tub of Craze was throat numbing rather than mouth for what it's worth.

Obviously I am not implying or linking the two in any way, shape or form.
 
I found the mass spectrum for the n,alpha-diethyl-benzeneethanamine in the literature today. Now its all clear to me
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I found the mass spectrum for the n,alpha-diethyl-benzeneethanamine in the literature today. Now its all clear to me
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Respectfully, can you make it clear to us? Those of us who have used the product? The voluminous mountain of evidence so far consists of, Mel Gibson's son turning on his webcam, a partial statement that reads..."a chemist" from Australia. The mention of this ban isn't new, it was mentioned as far back as January and we're now in April. Where's the smoking gun?
 
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