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PES...REALLY?!

DAdams91982 said:
As much as PES would love to utilize hormone/antibiotic free grass fed milk.. the price of a 2 pound jug would be over $50+.

We wouldn't move that product. The idea is great, just unfortunately truly infeasible.
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I know. That's how much I pay for my current brand of protein. Oh well, PES still rocks my supp shelf!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Im sure there are large posts I could dig up on each of these topics, but let me just get your take first. Why do you feel:

1. Isolates and hydrosylates are superior?
2. Cows must be grass-fed and "natty?"
3. Artificial sweeteners are bad?

Here is what the body of data shows:

1. Unless you're lactose intolerant, WPC retains more dairy-specific growth factors than any of those forms. Whey and casein hydro (not peptopro) have data showing inferior effects on body composition to WPC.

2. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated no detriment to current milking procedures.

3. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated that artificial sweeteners are not only safe, but safer than many things in the food supply "naturally."

The distinction between natural and artificial needs to be properly addressed. Essentially every medication you take is of artificial origin. And these medicines have increased human quality of life and lifespan by an incredible amount. Rather than focusing on the origin of compounds, why not dissect the in Vivo data and see if they are neutral, of detriment, or even of benefit to humans?

Anyway, I'd still like to get your take on the above three questions, as we are all individuals and I'd like to know why you feel this way
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rockme said:
Normal consumption over the years adds up to an insane amount
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I'm on my phone right now from work and don't have the time to cite studies on artificial sweeteners for you. There are tons of threads going over them here, with study citations in them. That being said, read Coop's post that I quoted for you since you seemed to have missed his response to your original posting.

- Valdez
 
Peptopro!!!!

- Valdez
 
How about a decent meal replacement with unique sources for carbs and fat. For example-chia seeds, almond flour, or even a vegetable content would be seriously unique like powdered kale. Probiotics or a digestive blend is always good too. Just make it different! There are already too many choices it must be tough to have yours stand out. Also don't get on the recent trend of 4.4 lb instead of a real 5. Leave out the dyes too!
 
Ginandtonic said:
How about a decent meal replacement with unique sources for carbs and fat. For example-chia seeds, almond flour, or even a vegetable content would be seriously unique like powdered kale. Probiotics or a digestive blend is always good too. Just make it different! There are already too many choices it must be tough to have yours stand out. Also don't get on the recent trend of 4.4 lb instead of a real 5. Leave out the dyes too!
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4.4lbs is 2kg.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Im sure there are large posts I could dig up on each of these topics, but let me just get your take first. Why do you feel:

1. Isolates and hydrosylates are superior?
2. Cows must be grass-fed and "natty?"
3. Artificial sweeteners are bad?

Here is what the body of data shows:

1. Unless you're lactose intolerant, WPC retains more dairy-specific growth factors than any of those forms. Whey and casein hydro (not peptopro) have data showing inferior effects on body composition to WPC.

2. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated no detriment to current milking procedures.

3. The FDA has repeatedly demonstrated that artificial sweeteners are not only safe, but safer than many things in the food supply "naturally."

The distinction between natural and artificial needs to be properly addressed. Essentially every medication you take is of artificial origin. And these medicines have increased human quality of life and lifespan by an incredible amount. Rather than focusing on the origin of compounds, why not dissect the in Vivo data and see if they are neutral, of detriment, or even of benefit to humans?

Anyway, I'd still like to get your take on the above three questions, as we are all individuals and I'd like to know why you feel this way
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It's the lifestyle I have adopted for myself, bro. Been living this way for 5 years now. I have read many holistic/natural healing books over the years, and they have literally changed my life. I am of the Jack Lalane school of thought, "If man made it, don't eat it." Obviously, this is impossible to adhere to. However, most of what I consume is of organic origin. As far as refuting your stance, lets just agree to disagree. This topic is way too vast to delve into by electronic means. There's volumes of literature out there on the matter. I will say this, always be cognizant of who is conducting the study, it often has everything to do with the results. Anyways, lets just build some muscle! :)
 
Ginandtonic said:
And 5 lbs is around 2.7 KG, whats your point? a 5lb jug was the industry standard last time I checked. The typical container for a 5 lb when being used for the 4.4lb contents is slightly misleading to consumers.
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America is not the only market in the world. That's my point.
 
Back on topic I think a blend is a good idea, I like what Trutein does in giving you a blend but its no proprietary.
 
rockme said:
It's the lifestyle I have adopted for myself, bro. Been living this way for 5 years now. I have read many holistic/natural healing books over the years, and they have literally changed my life. I am of the Jack Lalane school of thought, "If man made it, don't eat it." Obviously, this is impossible to adhere to. However, most of what I consume is of organic origin. As far as refuting your stance, lets just agree to disagree. This topic is way too vast to delve into by electronic means. There's volumes of literature out there on the matter. I will say this, always be cognizant of who is conducting the study, it often has everything to do with the results. Anyways, lets just build some muscle! :)
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The overseeing professor of my thesis is very well published in this arena. Does he have financial motives, along with the hundreds of other university professors?
 
A post workout made with some sort of fast acting carbs. I believe Meadows just talked about this, I can't remember what he said off of the top of my head though

and fast acting protein... I believe coop said wpc is superior..
Maybe even leucine enhanced, seeing as leucine is actually studied

Try to leave the dye low. A major turn off of focus xt is the ridiculous amount of blue dye I had in my tub.
Also if you guys could make this available in bulk that would be a big step. Too many people selling small tubs these days, I shouldn't have to order protein every damn month
 
My own personal preference would be keeping it as a protein only product.

Carbs are easy to add an there is a lot of options for sources i.e. dextrose, maltodextrin, WMS, Vitargo, Karbolyn etc. I like being able to add carbs if I want them but use the powder alone primarily.

Also, there are no protein plus carb powders (MRPs, weight gainers, post workout formulas) in the top 50 of NP from what I can see whereas some protein powders have been popular for years.
 
bdcc said:
My own personal preference would be keeping it as a protein only product.

Carbs are easy to add an there is a lot of options for sources i.e. dextrose, maltodextrin, WMS, Vitargo, Karbolyn etc. I like being able to add carbs if I want them but use the powder alone primarily.

Also, there are no protein plus carb powders (MRPs, weight gainers, post workout formulas) in the top 50 of NP from what I can see whereas some protein powders have been popular for years.
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Agreed, I like the versatility of a protein only product
 
PrepNwa23 said:
Back on topic I think a blend is a good idea, I like what Trutein does in giving you a blend but its no proprietary.
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I dont see the perpous of blends. its not like you absorb all of the different protiens at different speeds- as some supp companies would like you to believe...If you mix wpi and casine the wpi just takes longer to absorb because the casine slows it down.
 
NICE!!!!!!

1 kg and cheaper than xtend (PLEASE!!!!!!)

And do a watermelon flavor like hemavol!!!!!!!!!



:):):)

Real excited.
 
Docmattic said:
I dont see the perpous of blends. its not like you absorb all of the different protiens at different speeds- as some supp companies would like you to believe...If you mix wpi and casine the wpi just takes longer to absorb because the casine slows it down.
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People like blends because it is optimal to have multiple sources of amino acids.
 
I said no comment!
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The overseeing professor of my thesis is very well published in this arena. Does he have financial motives, along with the hundreds of other university professors?
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There's also hundreds of professors demonizing the chemical that you defend. For one, read up on the works of Dr. Mercola. Also, John Meadows (huge advocate for grass fed beef and dairy). But hey, to each his own say!
 
rockme said:
There's also hundreds of professors demonizing the chemical that you defend. For one, read up on the works of Dr. Mercola. Also, John Meadows (huge advocate for grass fed beef and dairy). But hey, to each his own say!
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There are two sides to every story. Follow the body of evidence.
 
Dr. Mercola = quackery = psuedoscience

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What's wrong with drugs and surgery? As I said, you can thank modern medicine for the fact that you live past your teens
 
rockme said:
Improving the body and mind with vitamins/minerals, natural herbs, exercise, and proper nutrition is quackery to you? :thinking:
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Absolutely nothing.

Misrepresenting data to demonize modern medicine and glorify modern day witchcraft is quackery and is what he does.

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I agree a protein from PES would be amazing
 
Protein...spot on flavors, relatively cheap, and keep it simple...like Nutrapro used to be :p Cant believe noone has referred to it in this thread...maybe I missed it :/

WPC/WPI blend, mixes easy and quick, etc. Flavors, graham cracker sounded pretty good, mocha, carmel or caramel chocolate, peanut butter, smores, red velvet, apple pie, cheesecake, pumpkin or sweet potato pie (for fall), on and on...but not a fan or trying to nail down citrus flavors in protein...jmo
 
............peptopro

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
............peptopro

- Valdez
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:D

I don't usually see the need for the majority of people (especially the types on the message boards) to need something like Peptopro, but I have times that I enjoy using it and some of those who I train with that I feel can see benefits from this. ;)

If I was deciding things only for myself I'd love a Peptopro + Leucine enhanced product, as well as a typical whey or blend that was flavored well.
 
How about EAAs or a EAA+BCAA blend

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No one has said 100% Soy Protein with a lot of artificial colors and dyes with added sugar to improve the taste of the flavor yet?
 
Geoforce said:
No one has said 100% Soy Protein with a lot of artificial colors and dyes with added sugar to improve the taste of the flavor yet?
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Who released the profile to you? Was it Ben? Damnit
 
If we release a soy protein I am leaving lol.
 
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