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JOSIAH MCQUILLIN GAINS OVER 10 LB. PURE MUSCLE IN 4 WEEKS ON PNI!

R1balla said:
my opinion, people will gain maybe 1 - 3 pounds of LBM while getting leaner and will throw a fit based off PNI's unreal advertisement and they will claim that everybody is different...blah blah blah and will be able to get away with it.
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Id love to put on 3 fat free pounds in 30 days
 
cswalczakny said:
The moral of the story is: make sure to frame advertisements appropriately based on content and target audience. With careful review and some toning down of the overt claims this could have been a very effective testimonial based ad. The way it was framed as 10 lbs pure muscle instead of something a little more restrained like 10lbs lean mass was an error in semantics for this audience and came off as a bit hokey.

That being said, I don't think this is an intentional outright lie and, as I mentioned in an earlier post, I can see a reasonable scenario where this could happen. I think the PNIs reps are great especially Howwedo, and the small amount of interaction I've had with chad and Eric so far have been positive.

Just wanted to give my opinion on the technical aspects of the ad content as I am in sales and pay attention to these things.
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glad to see a fellow in marketing as well good to see other's aren't fooled either.
 
As far as Josiah is concerned, no one said anything negative against him.I'm glad your products helped him get back to where he was only months before. The problem is the way he took his supplements under your direction was not safe and you greatly exaggerated the claims and have no reasoning behind his gains being 100% muscle. I'm saying under your direction because you set his entire routine and diet. You should have advised him then on the stack you were aware he was taking.
 
R1balla said:
my opinion, people will gain maybe 1 - 3 pounds of LBM while getting leaner and will throw a fit based off PNI's unreal advertisement and they will claim that everybody is different...blah blah blah and will be able to get away with it.
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Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees ;)

And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees ;)

And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


- Valdez
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not really. just dont like when companies do this. i can understand if they do that on BB . com but at AM? not a wise choice.
 
Valdez said:
Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees ;)

And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


- Valdez
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Wait . . . he has a woman boss?!?!?!? What is the world coming to? Next thing you know they'll want the right to vote, and they'll want the same pay as men. That's when we will see the decline of civilization :(
 
R1balla said:
not really. just dont like when companies do this. i can understand if they do that on BB . com but at AM? not a wise choice.
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AM is an extremely intelligent forum, no doubt. Opinions have been voiced. The owner released a statement everyone said their piece. Lets move on...

Time for everyone to either nap, hit the gym or eat. Back to growing :D

- Valdez
 
p5sky said:
Wait . . . he has a woman boss?!?!?!? What is the world coming to? Next thing you know they'll want the right to vote, and they'll want the same pay as men. That's when we will see the decline of civilization :(
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Bahaha!!!! I hope no women are reading this. Otherwise this is about to get ugly all over again lmao!

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees ;)
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you're gonna have to wait pal..
i got a wrestling match with him first

And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.
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oh i just died

the humor on this forum, gawd it's great
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
you're gonna have to wait pal..
i got a wrestling match with him first

oh i just died
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Of course, I should have known... Snags gets to go first ;)

I'm not reviving you. Last time you pulled that I ended with a mouth full of Snag tongue.

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
I'm not reviving you. Last time you pulled that I ended with a mouth full of Snag tongue.
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was s'posed to be our secret man, you promised :(
iamdisappoint




speaking of advertising..
i hear subway found out they were using a ruler made in a third-world country..
gonna have to redo some ad campaigns
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
was s'posed to be our secret man, you promised :(
iamdisappoint




speaking of advertising..
i hear subway found out they were using a ruler made in a third-world country..
gonna have to redo some ad campaigns
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I use the same ruler... I was wondering why I kept coming up with disappointment... I may have to look into surgical means. If you were once an average 5 on the subway ruler, what does that make you on a standard one? Do I not want to know? :(

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
I use the same ruler... I was wondering why I kept coming up with disappointment... I may have to look into surgical means. If you were once an average 5 on the subway ruler, what does that make you on a standard one? Do I not want to know? :(

- Valdez
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bahahaa

i won't touch that one
(literally)

but - i did try to go back when i heard that (about subway, not you), and get a refund of 1/12 my purchase price..they weren't amused
i mean i bought 3 of them chipotle chickens this month

stuff adds up
(hey man, times are tuff)
 
bigswole30 said:
A few things:





3) I have known Eric for MUCH MUCH longer then anyone on this forum on both a personal level and business level. I can say from the bottom of my heart that I do NOT think he was trying to mislead anyone. The advertisement was over the top but this is a business as well as a lifestyle. I dont like it but it is a fact.
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No, I 100% did not mislead anyone. The kid's gains were fact - 100%

Now, I'm done : )
 
EBroser said:
No, I 100% did not mislead anyone. The kid's gains were fact - 100%

Now, I'm done : )
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If it's "fact" then you have to be able to prove it and you haven't done a very good job of that so far. There have been a few posts (mine included) that offered evidence otherwise that was blatantly ignored.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
bahahaa

i won't touch that one
(literally)

but - i did try to go back when i heard that (about subway, not you), and get a refund of 1/12 my purchase price..they weren't amused
i mean i bought 3 of them chipotle chickens this month

stuff adds up
(hey man, times are tuff)
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Just jump on the class action lawsuit bandwagon friend!!

R3ACTION said:
Dammit Deezy brought some love. You know I'm a sucker for hugs.
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Bring it in ya big ****er!

- Valdez
 
Luke_PNI said:
No disrespect taken my friend, but the individuals doing the log will NOT be taking paragon along with D-test. Broser and myself will be working one on one with these individuals covering every aspect for the 4 weeks. The diet, training and the supplementation. This was just how this transformation was ran and unfortunately the 2 were combined. I have contacted a few chemists to see if we can actually get some tests ran, which If i can get this done, i will make sure to pass the results back to everyone here so we all can learn. Glad your thinking about Paragon. Feel free to ask any questions that you may have or would like a diet/training plan. I would be more than happy to help.

NOTE- We could have easily reported that both were not taken at the same time, but we felt that we needed to be truthful to report how the stack was taken and not lie. From this point on we are making sure that the consumers are not combining both D-test and Paragon.
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Ah, I misinterpreted the giveaway; I apologise. I'll definitely be following those logs and may even pick up a similar stack myself; I actually stumbled across some studies involving Vit K2 (Mk-4) and test boosting (and conversely lack of k2 showing a decrease in test production) after a discussion on the compound on another forum. So yes, I feel for my test natty stack I will be including Paragon.

I'll be alright on the training and nutrition front, but I respect the offer. Kudos.
 
Wow, just read this whole thread. Don't know what I can add that hasn't already been said but here's a few thoughts:

1. Very untypical results are ALWAYS looked at with a critical eye so I could tell just from page one this was going to get interesting.

2. Strange to see so many people "against" this type of advertising (not talking about the safety part, that is a different issue altogether). I'm not naming names, but we have multiple companies who have these kind of outrageous claims and many of the people initially bashing that fact have ran logs or praised these other companies over and over. Irony on the whole WTF is this type of advertising front big time.

There is a LOT of stuff I hate about supplement marketing. Almost too much to list really. The fact remains you HAVE to inform/get people excited about your product in this business. You have many different ways of doing that. But you HAVE to do it. And I'm a little unsure why it bothered some people early on in this thread when PNI did it, but I haven't seen them calling out the others who do pretty much the exact same thing as much.

Anyway's, V had the right idea. Let the drama die. Hugs all around. I'll be watching the logs.
 
Geoforce said:
Wow, just read this whole thread. Don't know what I can add that hasn't already been said but here's a few thoughts:

1. Very untypical results are ALWAYS looked at with a critical eye so I could tell just from page one this was going to get interesting.

2. Strange to see so many people "against" this type of advertising (not talking about the safety part, that is a different issue altogether). I'm not naming names, but we have multiple companies who have these kind of outrageous claims and many of the people initially bashing that fact have ran logs or praised these other companies over and over. Irony on the whole WTF is this type of advertising front big time.

There is a LOT of stuff I hate about supplement marketing. Almost too much to list really. The fact remains you HAVE to inform/get people excited about your product in this business. You have many different ways of doing that. But you HAVE to do it. And I'm a little unsure why it bothered some people early on in this thread when PNI did it, but I haven't seen them calling out the others who do pretty much the exact same thing as much.

Anyway's, V had the right idea. Let the drama die. Hugs all around. I'll be watching the logs.
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i call out every company that has fake loggers or advertises there products like this. androfactory is one of them. PP made huge claims as well.
 
Business is business! If the guy is going to run that stack anyway regardless of safety at least he had somebody helping him do it. Too many people use shut they aren't supposed to all the time, at least since he was going to do it he had some advice. This thread will not hinder my decision to run pni products.... I will try them myself and judge the product afterward! Hugs for all!
 
rreppert1 said:
Business is business! If the guy is going to run that stack anyway regardless of safety at least he had somebody helping him do it. Too many people use shut they aren't supposed to all the time, at least since he was going to do it he had some advice. This thread will not hinder my decision to run pni products.... I will try them myself and judge the product afterward! Hugs for all!
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well good for you. tell us if you gain 10 pounds of pure muscle.
 
R1balla said:
i call out every company that has fake loggers or advertises there products like this. androfactory is one of them. PP made huge claims as well.
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i'm guessing you are no longer *free agent*

careful, don't start calling out companies, you may never get the call to the big leagues
 
Bro, I'm not starting an argument. I'm just saying I will give them a fair shot.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
i'm guessing you are no longer *free agent*

careful, don't start calling out companies, you may never get the call to the big leagues
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big leagues? hahahahaha. been there already. not looking to be a rep bud ;D


not calling out companies in a negative way. just saying some companies claim to have major success with certain products just like PNI is doing.
 
rreppert1 said:
Bro, I'm not starting an argument. I'm just saying I will give them a fair shot.
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i wasnt being sarcastic as you may have took it that way.

I was saying "good for you" as in, glad to see you are still going to use the products, and report back your results as many of us would be interested in seeing them
 
R1balla said:
i wasnt being sarcastic as you may have took it that way.

I was saying "good for you" as in, glad to see you are still going to use the products, and report back your results as many of us would be interested in seeing them
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Thanks man! When I give them a shot I will log my reviews!
 
I'm pretty sure they throw in a free tanning package with this stack. Enjoy!
 
Valdez said:
Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees ;)

And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.

- Valdez
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huge difference between marketing and complete bull****.this is bull**** pardon my french. i feel bad for Josh he has been dragged into something that never should have been turned into a marketing opportunity. much respect to the owner of Pni for doing some great damage control though it would be nice if they would advise Eric to handle himself in a more professional matter as its a shame he drags Pni into the dirt with him.

as for your comments valdez let's stay on topic
 
Valdez said:
Bahaha!!!! I hope no women are reading this. Otherwise this is about to get ugly all over again lmao!

- Valdez
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this reminds me of a good discussion i had the other day with some guys about women being able to service in the military it was interesting to see the many different view points though i will say having a female owner is a rarity in the industry but also shows you how far the business has grown i think its awesome
 
Valdez said:
Get away with it? This isn't a lynching. You guys are letting mob mentality get the best of you here. One person says something and the entire forum jumps in. Quit flipping cars, setting fires and looting so I don't have to spray you all with my fire hose @150 psi.

Everybody chill... I'm handing out hugs. Reaction, I know how much you enjoy my hugs.. Get in here buddy and I'll hug your knees ;)

And Mich are you seriously in here talking about advertising? Scram. Talk to your boss and ask her if she wants me to start up again.


- Valdez
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Great post
 
mich29 said:
huge difference between marketing and complete bull****.this is bull**** pardon my french. i feel bad for Josh he has been dragged into something that never should have been turned into a marketing opportunity. much respect to the owner of Pni for doing some great damage control though it would be nice if they would advise Eric to handle himself in a more professional matter as its a shame he drags Pni into the dirt with him.

as for your comments valdez let's stay on topic
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Then lets keep the hypocrisy and self righteousness to a minimum, Mitch.

"People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

- Valdez
 
Valdez said:
Then lets keep the hypocrisy and self righteousness to a minimum, Mitch.

"People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

- Valdez
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"People with holes In their pocket have more fun"

Just sayin
 
mich29 said:
huge difference between marketing and complete bull****.this is bull**** pardon my french. i feel bad for Josh he has been dragged into something that never should have been turned into a marketing opportunity. much respect to the owner of Pni for doing some great damage control though it would be nice if they would advise Eric to handle himself in a more professional matter as its a shame he drags Pni into the dirt with him.

as for your comments valdez let's stay on topic
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My friend...I had decided to stay out of this thread until I read your post and unfortunately it needs to be addressed.

Chad, the owner of PNI was completely aware of this thread and fully supported me in it. Do you know why? Because it is not bull and it is 100% truthful. As far as handling myself professionally, please...few people handle themselves as professionally as I do ESPECIALLY in the face of all the crap (undeserved) spewed at me, not only as a rep of PNI but as a person/individual (who actually spends so much time giving back to this industry). Ask ANYONE I deal with on a professional level in this industry, from the supplement companies I have worked with (past and present), to the hundreds of clients (CEO's, bodybuilders, fitness, bikini, physique, athletes of all kinds, actors, musicians, celebrities, elderly, handicapped, etc), to the gym owners, to world renown strength coaches, to authors, lawyers, promoters, etc and not a single one will say I have anything less than a stellar reputation as far as business and personal dealings. And this is something I am very proud of.

I am not dragging PNI into the dirt, but rather elevating them, which is exactly why the CEO, Chad Brooks, specifically brought me aboard. Go ask Chad about this and see what he has to say.

Please stop these personal attacks. If you choose to disbelieve this thread then that is fine. If you cannot open your mind enough to believe someone can achieve such results then that is your problem, but is also your right. Just say something like, "Personally I don't believe it." Don't bash and trash me or PNI for this!

I am so sorry that he gained as much muscle as he did, but extraordinary things DO happen in this world. Do you understand that I am 100% drug free and have gained OVER 120 lbs of muscle since I began training? I know guys on drugs who cannot say this! I have had many, many clients that have gained 10-12 lbs in 4 weeks (no increase in body fat and often losses) with no supplements and only changes to their diet and training!!!! Perhaps this is why I have a waiting list for new clients a mile long at this point (thank you GOD for your blessings). Maybe it is YOU (meaning anyone who refuses to believe this thread) who is not doing things right and need to bash this post because it makes YOU feel better about your own failure to make significant changes. This is a normal human condition unfortunately.

Guys...All I can tell you is this thread and everything in it is 100% the truth. I never said it was going to be the norm...never said it wasn't pretty extraordinary...never said EVERYONE would make the exact same gains...explained that Josiah ALSO kicked total ass with his training and diet and it was not ONLY PNI supplements that were responsible...and even was honest about him combining D-Test/Paragon even though I knew some people would question whether this was necessary or has possible contraindications! Josiah was 100% truthful with us and had nothing to gain and I simply reported his excellent results. And we are even going to spend many 100's of dollars to see what others may gain on our stack, so stay tuned.

Again, thank you to all of the people in this thread who show respect and keep an open mind. Peace and God Bless.

 
p5sky said:
I've always preferred the "Hole in the Popcorn Trick" . . . get others involved ;)
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Whoa, whoa, whoa this guy ^^^

Giving away my go-to move here guy... Come on now!!

- Valdez
 
Something to think about: Reps that post help with nutrition, training, cycle help and customer questions will gain customer loyalty and support.

Those that spend the time on non-productive threads lose customer loyalty and support.

Respectfully ask that we return to the intellectual side of AM. Sincere respect for all you "brothers in iron".
 
kenpoengineer said:
Something to think about: Reps that post help with nutrition, training, cycle help and customer questions will gain customer loyalty and support.

Those that spend the time on non-productive threads lose customer loyalty and support.

Respectfully ask that we return to the intellectual side of AM. Sincere respect for all you "brothers in iron".
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Well said and completely agreed.
 
EBroser said:

My friend...I had decided to stay out of this thread until I read your post and unfortunately it needs to be addressed.

Chad, the owner of PNI was completely aware of this thread and fully supported me in it. Do you know why? Because it is not bull and it is 100% truthful. As far as handling myself professionally, please...few people handle themselves as professionally as I do ESPECIALLY in the face of all the crap (undeserved) spewed at me, not only as a rep of PNI but as a person/individual (who actually spends so much time giving back to this industry). Ask ANYONE I deal with on a professional level in this industry, from the supplement companies I have worked with (past and present), to the hundreds of clients (CEO's, bodybuilders, fitness, bikini, physique, athletes of all kinds, actors, musicians, celebrities, elderly, handicapped, etc), to the gym owners, to world renown strength coaches, to authors, lawyers, promoters, etc and not a single one will say I have anything less than a stellar reputation as far as business and personal dealings. And this is something I am very proud of.

I am not dragging PNI into the dirt, but rather elevating them, which is exactly why the CEO, Chad Brooks, specifically brought me aboard. Go ask Chad about this and see what he has to say.

Please stop these personal attacks. If you choose to disbelieve this thread then that is fine. If you cannot open your mind enough to believe someone can achieve such results then that is your problem, but is also your right. Just say something like, "Personally I don't believe it." Don't bash and trash me or PNI for this!

I am so sorry that he gained as much muscle as he did, but extraordinary things DO happen in this world. Do you understand that I am 100% drug free and have gained OVER 120 lbs of muscle since I began training? I know guys on drugs who cannot say this! I have had many, many clients that have gained 10-12 lbs in 4 weeks (no increase in body fat and often losses) with no supplements and only changes to their diet and training!!!! Perhaps this is why I have a waiting list for new clients a mile long at this point (thank you GOD for your blessings). Maybe it is YOU (meaning anyone who refuses to believe this thread) who is not doing things right and need to bash this post because it makes YOU feel better about your own failure to make significant changes. This is a normal human condition unfortunately.

Guys...All I can tell you is this thread and everything in it is 100% the truth. I never said it was going to be the norm...never said it wasn't pretty extraordinary...never said EVERYONE would make the exact same gains...explained that Josiah ALSO kicked total ass with his training and diet and it was not ONLY PNI supplements that were responsible...and even was honest about him combining D-Test/Paragon even though I knew some people would question whether this was necessary or has possible contraindications! Josiah was 100% truthful with us and had nothing to gain and I simply reported his excellent results. And we are even going to spend many 100's of dollars to see what others may gain on our stack, so stay tuned.

Again, thank you to all of the people in this thread who show respect and keep an open mind. Peace and God Bless.
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I have bought some of your books and trusted you in the past Mr. Broser, but after reading this thread I don't trust you anymore. On facebook you have "advertised" for new clients a couple of times a month for "years", a guy who "have a waiting list for new clients a mile long" doesn't have to do that.

Because of this thread there will be no placebo-effect when trying PRODIGY that I just ordered.

This thread is bad for PNI, even if you guys produce great products.
 
Geoforce said:
Well said and completely agreed.
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As do I. Luke has been extemely helpful to many members on this forum, including myself, which deserves tremendous credit.
 
Stock Tip said:
He obviously did indeed gain the 10 LB. It may not have been 100% pure muscle. However 10 LB is 10 LB and from the pics. it is evident most of the weight was actual muscle. I only hope there were NO illegal things used to gain it, especially considering his age...
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Ok bro..you're behind on the convo.
 
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