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Protein Shake vs FOOD Source

Rodja said:
What's wrong with the fat content of whole milk? I see you issue regarding galactose and digestion, but not a single problem with the fats.
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Again. Nothing wrong with drinking milk if that's your thing. Just not as a choice for protein for protein sake. Here's lactose free 2%: 130 cal, 5g fats, 14g sugar, 7g protein. That's what I drink when I do drink dairy. As shown, more calories from sugar and fat than protein.
 
PalmFist said:
Again. Nothing wrong with drinking milk if that's your thing. Just not as a choice for protein for protein sake. Here's lactose free 2%: 130 cal, 5g fats, 14g sugar, 7g protein. That's what I drink when I do drink dairy. As shown, more calories from sugar and fat than protein.
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Again, what is the issue what that?
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
horrible, horrible example tyga, but i appreciate you trying

fruit sugar (fructose and the like) is comprised quite differently, and acts differently in the body as well
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Check the quote, that was to palmfist. I KNEW fruit sugar; specifically was different.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
okay before this becomes any more of a distraction and leads to others jumping in (as is already the case), let's kill this right now
off the top pal - i don't point out your errant spelling and the irony of your remarks to others as being "dumb" if they do not agree with you (even tho that in itself was rather humorous), if you don't first stick your negativity into a FINAFLEX promotion thread, repeatedly

alas - shame on me

but - as a rep for another company, perhaps refresh yourself on the rules of reps posting in other company promo threads
if you have something positive to say, great
if you wish to criticize the product being promoted, then that quite honestly is dumb on your part, if you wish to remain a rep here

forgive me all for wasting a post in this thread for that, but i felt a little clarification was in order before someone else who doesn't know what's going on decides to jump in as well
and in all actuality, since there are multiple reps itt, perhaps is a good reminder of how not to conduct yourself on this forum, my part here included

i felt a public scolding to be in order tho :D
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Chill brotha! Everything is all good my man. I was joking with you nothing more. You have recently become very serious. Relax bro :)

- Valdez
 
Ah the old milk debate. One of those constant things I don't think we will ever be able to put down :) One of the classics. Right up there with BCAA ratios (4:11 vs. 2:1:1 vs. 8:1:1 or whatever) or are BCAA's necessary if eating high protein.
 
Geoforce said:
Ah the old milk debate. One of those constant things I don't think we will ever be able to put down :) One of the classics. Right up there with BCAA ratios (4:11 vs. 2:1:1 vs. 8:1:1 or whatever) or are BCAA's necessary if eating high protein.
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hardly
what is debatable about cow milk my friend?
i find no equivalent view in the comparisons you make
will discuss if you care to
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
hardly
what is debatable about cow milk my friend?
i find no equivalent view in the comparisons you make
will discuss if you care to
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Clearly the past few pages suggest otherwise! Lol, what do you think you have been discussing with others man :) I merely meant it is one of the "age old" internet forum discussions like the other things I mentioned. If you search around bb forums you will see milk debated ad nauseam and we have done it on here of course.
 
Geoforce said:
Clearly the past few pages suggest otherwise! Lol, what do you think you have been discussing with others man :) I merely meant it is one of the "age old" internet forum discussions like the other things I mentioned. If you search around bb forums you will see milk debated ad nauseam and we have done it on here of course.
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fair enuff

thank you for questioning me :)
 
jbryand101b said:
What did I miss? It says 12 pages on my phone, I'm not reading all that.

I drink a shake twice per day. Well, three if you get technical.

Bfast, post workout, always.
And the third, somedays I sip on a shake throughout the day to keep aminos pumping in steadily, when I know I won't be eating for a while.

Nutrient timing is a science. Your stupid if you think otherwise.
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No no no, no no no no no. More than two shakes a day is overdoing it. That third shake is really bad for your kidneys. Some guy said so.
 
Oh my... I started multi quoting and typing... but there is just to much.

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if i consume 2.25 shakes does that mean my urine is anabolic?
 
You guys all I was saying is what my doc told me and I guess I assumed he knew what he was talking about because he is a doc. This is my fault and I'm sorry I won't make the mistake again. Stop talking so much s**t about my posts. Im young and trying to learn. And again I'm sorry.
 
liftandeat said:
You guys all I was saying is what my doc told me and I guess I assumed he knew what he was talking about because he is a doc. This is my fault and I'm sorry I won't make the mistake again. Stop talking so much s**t about my posts. Im young and trying to learn. And again I'm sorry.
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liftandeat said:
You guys all I was saying is what my doc told me and I guess I assumed he knew what he was talking about because he is a doc. This is my fault and I'm sorry I won't make the mistake again. Stop talking so much s**t about my posts. Im young and trying to learn. And again I'm sorry.
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welcome to the forums! i was told by a dietary major that if you eat more than 1 ostrich egg you will contract white blood cell poisoning, riddle yourself that.
 
Pointing out my mistakes is one thing. Making fun of me is another. I accept I was wrong I won't ever listen to my doc again on these sort of problems. Move on with the thread.
 
hvactech said:
welcome to the forums! i was told by a dietary major that if you eat more than 1 ostrich egg you will contract white blood cell poisoning, riddle yourself that.
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I actually breed ostriches soooo this is awkward...
 
i think protein is just food in powdered form.
i love protein shakes, i take it to work and school.

the only downside is that if im hungry, a protein shake wont do me justice no matter if i blend it with fruit or nut butters. when im hungry i need to chew and taste all the different flavors in my mouth before i wash it down with some pepsi.

while were on the subject. mix protein powder, cacao powder, honey and some raw almond butter then coat it with shredded coconut. sprinkle some cinnamon in there too. you will love this when you have the munchies.
 
liftandeat said:
I assumed
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ass u me
i hate that word, assume..we are all guilty of it, one time or another, on teh interwebz, irl..wherever

somehow this thread has turned left, and i have been guilty of helping that veering as well

there are some bright minds on this forum, both reps, and forum members..
there also some that are not as learned and educated, as others
i understand as much as the next guy, the frustration that can sometimes come from hearing repeatedly from someone who thinks they know what they are talking about, but quite simply does not..

but - we are all here for a purpose, the general purpose of learning
and sometimes the more knowledgeable folk can forget that, at one time, they too weren't all that knowledgeable

we can all learn, from everyone else

heck, i learned from Geoforce today, and i am truly glad he said something to me
(following, i have deleted some of my posts, that i now see to be rather pointless)

c'mon guys, let's remember what the spirit of this forum is all about, and get along eh?

:grouphug:
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
ass u me
i hate that word, assume..we are all guilty of it, one time or another, on teh interwebz, irl..wherever

somehow this thread has turned left, and i have been guilty of helping that veering as well

there are some bright minds on this forum, both reps, and forum members..
there also some that are not as learned and educated, as others
i understand as much as the next guy, the frustration that can sometimes come from hearing repeatedly from someone who thinks they know what they are talking about, but quite simply does not..

but - we are all here for a purpose, the general purpose of learning
and sometimes the more knowledgeable folk can forget that, at one time, they too weren't all that knowledgeable

we can all learn, from everyone else

heck, i learned from Geoforce today, and i am truly glad he said something to me
(following, i have deleted some of my posts, that i now see to be rather pointless)

c'mon guys, let's remember what the spirit of this forum is all about, and get along eh?

:grouphug:
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I think he just said I'm uneducated....

:pitchfork:
 
jimbuick said:
I think he just said I'm uneducated....

:pitchfork:
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but teh pictures bro..teh pictures! :D



nah man..
was just my way, of apologizing to anyone i may have slighted, or who felt they were talked down to..
or intervened in a post that was not my business to intervene in
i am embarrassed actually by some of my own behavior, and assert resolutely that i will do better going forward


nuff said
 
liftandeat said:
Pointing out my mistakes is one thing. Making fun of me is another. I accept I was wrong I won't ever listen to my doc again on these sort of problems. Move on with the thread.
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I would never advocate that you ignore your doctors advice or write him off as wrong from now on due to one incident. What I would suggest is you do your part and put the time in to research the claims made by him or anyone else for that matter. The "appeal to authority" fallacy plagues just about everyone. Dont beat yourself up too much over it.

Think of this. You are able to admit publicly you were wrong.. this alone puts you way ahead of most. Its a learning process bud. You just have to remember to never assume what you hear is right. Learn to be skeptical and question everything. You will do just fine.

Take care
 
Valdez said:
Why is it not healthy if you don't have an adverse reaction to it?

I think its pretty clear he was calling you dumb. "It takes one to know one"


- Valdez
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if you have even a slight food allergy, you may not have any outward symptoms, but it could cause stress and inflamation inside the body, leading to a host of other side effect you wont be able to see unless you get blood work done pretty regularly.
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
horrible, horrible example tyga, but i appreciate you trying

fruit sugar (fructose and the like) is comprised quite differently, and acts differently in the body as well
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hey, if you're saying what I think you're saying about sugar, specifically fructose, you're*** smarter than I thunk!
 
Valdez said:
Chill brotha! Everything is all good my man. I was joking with you nothing more. You have recently become very serious. Relax bro :)

- Valdez
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maybe he's talking about me while thinking he's on another forum (cough bb cough .com cough cough) though, if he posted here long enough, he might be used to it, or adjusted to it. thats just how i roll. :D
 
oh no worries, i dont hold it personally, i'll be the first one to tell you, im not a very friendly hug it out, no name calling kind of guy. :lmao:
 
jbryand101b said:
oh no worries, i dont hold it personally, i'll be the first one to tell you, im not a very friendly hug it out, no name calling kind of guy. :lmao:
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Don't worry I don't think anyone ever mistakes you for that kind of guy

- Valdez
 
LiveToLift said:
Protein shakes for the win!!
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After reading this thread I think it's safe to conclude that we shouldn't get protein from shakes OR food sources since we can't come to a consensus.

I'm starting my no protein diet today. I'll keep you guys updated, but I should be ripped in no time.
 
Geoforce said:
After reading this thread I think it's safe to conclude that we shouldn't get protein from shakes OR food sources since we can't come to a consensus.

I'm starting my no protein diet today. I'll keep you guys updated, but I should be ripped in no time.
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Protein is whack, biceps aren't important, breakfast doesn't matter and you shouldn't cycle unless you get to 200lbs natural. Interesting week around here!
 
hvactech said:
no you may not ;)
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LOL k..jus checkin

JudoJosh said:
I would never advocate that you ignore your doctors advice or write him off as wrong from now on due to one incident. What I would suggest is you do your part and put the time in to research the claims made by him or anyone else for that matter. The "appeal to authority" fallacy plagues just about everyone. Dont beat yourself up too much over it.

Think of this. You are able to admit publicly you were wrong.. this alone puts you way ahead of most. Its a learning process bud. You just have to remember to never assume what you hear is right. Learn to be skeptical and question everything. You will do just fine.

Take care
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very nice

jbryand101b said:
if you have even a slight food allergy, you may not have any outward symptoms, but it could cause stress and inflamation inside the body, leading to a host of other side effect you wont be able to see unless you get blood work done pretty regularly.
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exactly

on a srs tip - this lends to some srs direction and discussion
it can be argued (no theorized, let's not argue) that, in the larger scope of context, inflammation is the leading and ultimate cause of death
(essence = repeated/excessive inflammation leads to cellular mutation/dysfunction leads to death etc)

we as bb'ers and health enthusiasts, do quite a few things that lead to and result in (ongoing) inflammation in the body
(including our dietary discretion)
ultimately leading to potential shortening of our lifespan
(*but - we'll look good when we die eh?) :p

i'm tying this in with milk here..inflammatory response etc
hence, my stance from earlier

just thought i'd throw out there, see if anyone has interest in pursuing such discussion

(not tryin to derail all the fun)

:)
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
LOL k..jus checkin


very nice


exactly

on a srs tip - this lends to some srs direction and discussion
it can be argued (no theorized, let's not argue) that, in the larger scope of context, inflammation is the leading and ultimate cause of death
(essence = repeated/excessive inflammation leads to cellular mutation/dysfunction leads to death etc)



we as bb'ers and health enthusiasts, do quite a few things that lead to and result in (ongoing) inflammation in the body
(including our dietary discretion)
ultimately leading to potential shortening of our lifespan
(*but - we'll look good when we die eh?) :p
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Its important we differentiate between acute inflammation and systemic inflammation

snagencyV2.0 said:
i'm tying this in with milk here..inflammatory response etc
hence, my stance from earlier

just thought i'd throw out there, see if anyone has interest in pursuing such discussion

(not tryin to derail all the fun)

:)
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Dairy products consumption is associated with decreased levels of inflammatory markers related to cardiovascular disease in apparently healthy adults: the ATTICA study.

Abstract

OBJECTIVE:

The aim of this work was to investigate the association between consumption of dairy products and levels of various inflammatory markers among adults with no evidence of cardiovascular or other chronic disease.

METHODS:

The ATTICA study is a cross-sectional survey that enrolled 1514 men (18-87 years old) and 1528 women (18-89 years old) from the Attica region in Greece. Fasting blood samples were collected and dietary habits (including consumption of dairy products [i.e., milk, cheese, and yogurt]) were evaluated using a validated food frequency questionnaire.
RESULTS:

We observed that C-reactive protein (CRP), interleukin-6 (IL-6), and tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-α) levels of individuals consuming between 11 and 14 servings of dairy products per week were almost 16%, 5%, and 12% lower, respectively, than in those consuming fewer than 8 servings (p < 0.05), while those consuming more than 14 servings per week had 29%, 9%, and 20% lower levels of CRP, IL-6, and TNF-α, respectively (p < 0.01), even after adjustments were made for age, gender, smoking, physical activity, body mass, dietary habits, and other potential confounders.

CONCLUSION:

We identified an inverse association between dairy products consumption and levels of various inflammatory markers among healthy adults. Additional clinical trials are needed to refute or confirm our findings.

PMID: 21041810

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JudoJosh said:
Its important we differentiate between acute inflammation and systemic inflammation
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true

Dairy products consumption is associated with decreased levels of inflammatory markers related to cardiovascular disease in apparently healthy adults: the ATTICA study.
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okay, what about bronchial response to allergens in general?
also ---> and then that leads me to..
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questioning validity of markers used

am i wrong in my understanding CRP may be faulty method in your study?

studies..not the end-all/be-all for me
certainly interesting, and a basis to form discussion
 
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