Normally I wouldn't get so excited about a new Multi Vitamin but.

Yeah if price wasnt a concern I could too. LOL This one will be great in the mean time. Just enough to get you where you should be not to run things for specific uses / reasons. You also have to go on the hopeful assumption that the person is getting some of the daily requirements of most of these things in there diet. It is called a supplement not a supply...
 
Yeah I like it. I will definitely be changing my multi!
 
Everyone in here calling that guy a shill or troll is fine but he is absolutely correct. This multi is quite a let down. Inferior forms of vitamins, and those blends are dosed so low I have no idea why they even include it. You have tons of ingredients and tons of proposed effects from those ingredients yet not one is dosed accordingly. I'd rather see you dose one blend well then five blends pixie dusted.
 
xhrr said:
Everyone in here calling that guy a shill or troll is fine but he is absolutely correct. This multi is quite a let down. Inferior forms of vitamins, and those blends are dosed so low I have no idea why they even include it. You have tons of ingredients and tons of proposed effects from those ingredients yet not one is dosed accordingly. I'd rather see you dose one blend well then five blends pixie dusted.
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some clarification is in order here
fact is - this guy (to put it in forum-speak) was indeed a classic troll, creating an account ONLY to bash Finaflex and anyone involved inc reps and AM users..that is all he did, in his 5 posts. this is not debatable
period

now, the points you bring up..rather than critique, why not show us a vitamin you think is superior?

another fact for you - you can find fault, in the realm of "a perfect world" of "scientific study", with ANY multi on the market
no company creates a perfect multi -
#1 there is no need to, as this is not meant to be your SOLE source of nutrition; and
#2 - a company does not want to produce a multi that would be so far off the map in price that no one would purchase it
at the end of the day, a company is in business to make $, not create "the perfect product" that will sit on shelves of stores across america

for my part, i have explained enuff what the philosophy and spirit of this vitamin is meant to embody

so show us what you feel the perfect vitamin is, that exists

on a personal level, i would like to see methylcobalamin for B12 (but again - not many vitamins exisiting even have that, and still these vitamins with 'inferior' forms of B12 are some respected top-sellers on the market)..
and in fact - this may yet be changed to include that form of b12, after the first production run is completed

so again, we welcome constructive criticism (not bashing)
if you have an idea of the perfect multi, show us
 
a high quality pharmacuetical grade multi-vitamin for athletes is going to cost you no less than 50$.

but why would you want anything but the best?

at the least, this is in capsules.
 
jbryand101b said:
a high quality pharmacuetical grade multi-vitamin for athletes is going to cost you no less than 50$.

but why would you want anything but the best?

at the least, this is in capsules.
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and here is the flip to that
we are not designing a multi for athletes my friend, rather the general masses
and - just as importanly - athletes probably understand nutrition better than the average joe, no?
therefore, their dietary intakes are structured far & above beyond what the average joe comprehends
with me so far?

so in essence - why would we tailor a product to the small % of the population it would be suitable for, when that small % wouldn't need to rely on such a multi in the first place?

:)

thus - your point in itself, becomes quite invalid
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
and here is the flip to that
we are not designing a multi for athletes my friend, rather the general masses
and - just as importanly - athletes probably understand nutrition better than the average joe, no?
therefore, their dietary intakes are structured far & above beyond what the average joe comprehends
with me so far?

so in essence - why would we tailor a product to the small % of the population it would be suitable for, when that small % wouldn't need to rely on such a multi in the first place?

:)

thus - your point in itself, becomes quite invalid
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athletes have a very poor understanding of nutrtion bud.

my comment has no point, except, even if you're nutrition is perfect, you still aren't going to get all the needed vitamins and minerals. this is why everyone should be using a quality multi-vitamin.
 
In this day and age where everyone is looking to gt healthy not just athletes this multi would sell very well and actually provide benefits.
 
jbryand101b said:
athletes have a very poor understanding of nutrtion bud.

my comment has no point, except, even if you're nutrition is perfect, you still aren't going to get all the needed vitamins and minerals. this is why everyone should be using a quality multi-vitamin.
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your stance is highly debatable, and i think you are arguing just to argue
either that, or you take my response personally (you shouldn't do that)

many in the 'health' industry debate the need for a multivitamin to begin with..

there are many facets and components to this conversation, that you conveniently skip over, with such stance that you espouse

perfect world: sourcing no issue, cost no issue, interest levels for such a beast high..
okay - what you say sounds good

reality my friend, is your enemy
 
pampers938 said:
In this day and age where everyone is looking to gt healthy not just athletes this multi would sell very well and actually provide benefits.
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i question what you mean by "actually provide benefits" please explain

the idea of a 'perfect multi' shows a lack of corporate understanding, and all the points i addressed above

if you feel that to be the case, please find funding and create your own multi
market it, promote it, get it out there

let me know how that works out for you :)
 
pampers938 said:
If you go back you will see I actually like te multi and am excited to try it
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i wondered about that after i typed.. :o

you'll have to forgive me, in several threads right now, sorry!

yes, you are grounded in reality, and the multi we have structured does indeed provide the benefits one is meant to get by supplementing with a multivitamin

thank you for your input
 
jbryand101b said:
differences of opinion are bound to happen, you just happen to be on the side of the fence where people feel differently.
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i have no problem with difference of opinion friend

that is not the case here: you are attempting to bastardize the concept of what a multivitamin should be about
you espouse all of your RDAs (and exceeding RDAs in fact) -- in their most pristine and biologically pure forms -- in a pill, with no thought to food intake

that is not, and will NEVER be, what a multivitamin is supposed to be all about

but i thank you, an SNS rep, for playing devils advocate here in our promo thread

we still appreciate all constructive criticism, even from any source :)
 
Agreed.

A multivitamin is preparation intended to be a dietary supplement with vitamins, dietary minerals, and other nutritional elements.
 
MY BAD GUYS I OBVIOUSLY FORGOT SUPPS COME BEFORE DIET SO FINAFLEX SHOULD HAVE HE PERFECT MULTI.




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/not srs
 
bmftisftw said:
MY BAD GUYS I OBVIOUSLY FORGOT SUPPS COME BEFORE DIET SO FINAFLEX SHOULD HAVE HE PERFECT MULTI.




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/not srs
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Hilarious I forgot to laugh way to add something constructive. Back to blindly following for you.

I didn't say what I thought would be better or should be changed cause the "troll" already did. My beef is more so with the blends you include to cover things like liver and joint and cognition and how drastically underdosed they are. You won't be able to tell a difference in any of those categories because the doses are pixie dusted. Would you buy a pre workout that has tons of blends yet not one is dosed accordingly? Who cares if it covers every category know to man if it won't have an appreciable effect in anything cause rather than being good at one thing it was bad at everything.
 
xhrr said:
Hilarious I forgot to laugh way to add something constructive. Back to blindly following for you.
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that was pretty rude
nobody here is insulting you for sharing your opinion
if you want to discuss things intelligently, great
if not - please find another thread in which to spew your angst

I didn't say what I thought would be better or should be changed cause the "troll" already did.
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the troll and all issues he raised, have been countered, more than once i think
My beef is more so with the blends you include to cover things like liver and joint and cognition and how drastically underdosed they are. You won't be able to tell a difference in any of those categories because the doses are pixie dusted.
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yes we have covered this as well
they are not meant to be full-blown specialty corrective doses of the items you mention, such as a stand-alone product would be
so now, your issue is with the label?
Would you buy a pre workout that has tons of blends yet not one is dosed accordingly? Who cares if it covers every category know to man if it won't have an appreciable effect in anything cause rather than being good at one thing it was bad at everything.
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and this is quite a stretch, not even an accurate comparison
we have RDA levels (and beyond) of vitamins, minerals, and a bonus of some unique compounds we have included
there are NO RDA-type levels for these things you mention, and no studies that i am aware of show of "minimum levels" of recommendation for some of these compounds needed in which to be operative let alone your opinion of "effective"
if you have a valid scientific stance with which to show us that this is "pixie-dusting" and will provide no benefit, please share

otherwise, i think you have voiced your OPINION, are simply here to denigrate the product and its design, it has been heard and i don't think you need bother with anything else, no?
 
It looks to me that everyone who said something positive about this multi (including myself) are the ones being educated.
There are some pretty smart people making some valid points in here.
The ingredient profile is not ideal on all fronts. That has been proven true here.
But spending $60 on a multi is not ideal either. Especially for guys like me who couldn't care less about fancy ingredient profiles.
I just take vitamins because they are a cheap staple.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
It looks to me that everyone who said something positive about this multi (including myself) are the ones being educated.
There are some pretty smart people making some valid points in here.
The ingredient profile is not ideal on all fronts. That has been proven true here.
But spending $60 on a multi is not ideal either. Especially for guys like me who couldn't care less about fancy ingredient profiles.
I just take vitamins because they are a cheap staple.
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okay fair enough

i felt we have covered the continuous issues that have been brought about
the issues continue to be repeated not in a conversational aspect, but as if there is negativity to be inferred and intended (since, once again, these issues have been covered), and the negative interraction with others is obvious

a larger issue, is to have a rep from another company coming in to detract and criticize the product in our promotional thread, which as you should very well know is pointed prohibited behavior on this forum

jbryand101b said:
No chelate no care
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i am all for constructive criticism and conversation - i have said that before, and it is genuine
love to discuss things, in the appropriate manner..
the company wants valid feedback..what upstanding company would not want feedback on their product?
it allows us to hear you guys, and make changes to product if we can and find it to be both suitable and practical

what has transpired here, has not been with this positive intent in mind

quite frankly, i find it to be sad
 
Snag I respect you and your opinion. I understand everything you are saying. There is no perfect Multi and making one would be expensive.

Now for some constructive criticism from my view as a consumer who would be in the market for a new multi:

I would rather see the blends dropped and the costs of those ingredients put towards better forms of vitamins and minerals (more broad, or ideally full spectrum E, Chelated minerals, methylcobalamin as b12, hopefully a proper vitamin A the form is not listed, etc.) I would even pay more to have that. A lot of that could probably be done for a similar price if you drop all of the blends.

For just 10 dollars more, I could purchase MST MVP/ZMK combo and have one of the best mineral formulas and a very solid vitamin roster.

Source Naturals is also a great multi for only 10 dollars more.

However, these are higher priced and from my understanding you want to fill the niche of a lower cost but still quality multi vitamin correct?

Quite simply, I could purchase OT with better forms of vitamins and minerals, full dosed blends, and I assume pay a similar amount given it has 15 more servings. I see OT as your biggest competitor. IMO this formula needs an overhaul if it is going to compete with OT. Honestly, given a similar price, there is no way I would purchase a multi with incomplete blends and inferior forms of vitamins and minerals over a product with better forms of vitamins and minerals and complete blends.

This is not meant to "bash" your product or be disrespectful. Just my honest opinion and constructive criticism of what I feel would make this a better multi and help yall be more competitive in the market.

Also, thats not to say this multi is all bad, I just think it needs some work
 
Snag I respect you and your opinion. I understand everything you are saying. There is no perfect Multi and making one would be expensive.

Now for some constructive criticism from my view as a consumer who would be in the market for a new multi:

I would rather see the blends dropped and the costs of those ingredients put towards better forms of vitamins and minerals (more broad, or ideally full spectrum E, Chelated minerals, methylcobalamin as b12, hopefully a proper vitamin A the form is not listed, etc.) I would even pay more to have that. A lot of that could probably be done for a similar price if you drop all of the blends.

For just 10 dollars more, I could purchase MST MVP/ZMK combo and have one of the best mineral formulas and a very solid vitamin roster.

Source Naturals is also a great multi for only 10 dollars more.

However, these are higher priced and from my understanding you want to fill the niche of a lower cost but still quality multi vitamin correct?

Quite simply, I could purchase OT with better forms of vitamins and minerals, full dosed blends, and I assume pay a similar amount given it has 15 more servings. I see OT as your biggest competitor. IMO this formula needs an overhaul if it is going to compete with OT. Honestly, given a similar price, there is no way I would purchase a multi with incomplete blends and inferior forms of vitamins and minerals over a product with better forms of vitamins and minerals and complete blends.

This is not meant to "bash" your product or be disrespectful. Just my honest opinion and constructive criticism of what I feel would make this a better multi and help yall be more competitive in the market.

Also, thats not to say this multi is all bad, I just think it needs some work. I may have come across as harsh or rehashed things, but just trying to give my perspective as a consumer.

Best of luck to yall I wish the best and I look forward to trying some of your products in the future
 
CATdiesel76 - i indeed appreciate your feedback, and in fact i agree with much of what you say

truth be told this very much sounds like a conversation i myself had with the owners :)
there are reasons they have constructed it to the profile we have..

that said, all valid points, all constructive, and absolutely no issue whatsoever taken with your presentation
in fact, i am quite impressed by your depth of knowledge, and the way you communicate it

thank you for your feedback, and i will surely pass it along


pure and simple my friends - that is how it is done
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
CATdiesel76 - i indeed appreciate your feedback, and in fact i agree with much of what you say

truth be told this very much sounds like a conversation i myself had with the owners :)
there are reasons they have constructed it to the profile we have..

that said, all valid points, all constructive, and absolutely no issue whatsoever taken with your presentation
in fact, i am quite impressed by your depth of knowledge, and the way you communicate it

thank you for your feedback, and i will surely pass it along


pure and simple my friends - that is how it is done
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Thanks brother I appreciate your openness you are a man of your word. Hope i helped. Much respect and good luck with everything
 
Thank you Cat and Flex for reitterating my point.

Snag I may have come off wrong, and for that I apologize.
 
xhrr said:
Thank you Cat and Flex for reitterating my point.

Snag I may have come off wrong, and for that I apologize.
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thank you for that
perhaps i have come across wrong as well, and my apologies
i never try to make anything personal on these forums, but today frustration level has been high lol..
in any event, never meant to minimize your view as either a forum member or a consumer, that was never my intent

peace
 
Well Dang Snags, you have been in here all alone. I did not realize that everyone was still going on about this. CAT great suggestions much easier to deal with than someone coming in saying this sucks because...

XHRR, you Sir are a big enough man to apologize for the implied negativity and that says good things about your character Sir.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well Dang Snags, you have been in here all alone. I did not realize that everyone was still going on about this. CAT great suggestions much easier to deal with than someone coming in saying this sucks because...

XHRR, you Sir are a big enough man to apologize for the implied negativity and that says good things about your character Sir.
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Like I said I apologize I did come off a little hostile and it probably seemed like bashing which was not my intent. I have a bad habit of coming off the wrong way. Snag I took nothing personal you handled my criticism much better than I would have if the tables were turned. I have no ill will towards your company. I stand by my points I should have just approached it differently as CAT did. Best of luck to your company.
 
again i appreciate the sentiment, xhrr

for my part - no excuses, was simply a poor way in which to handle the situation
how you come across, should not matter to the way i react to you, quite frankly
my position as a rep, warrants better behavior than i have shown here in this thread, regardless of how one carries themselves
(or for that matter, how i perceive one is carrying themselves, or perceive the interaction)
we all get frustrated from time to time..unfortunately, i need to better check any frustration that i have

i will rectify this going forward, rest assured
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
okay fair enough

i felt we have covered the continuous issues that have been brought about
the issues continue to be repeated not in a conversational aspect, but as if there is negativity to be inferred and intended (since, once again, these issues have been covered), and the negative interraction with others is obvious

a larger issue, is to have a rep from another company coming in to detract and criticize the product in our promotional thread, which as you should very well know is pointed prohibited behavior on this forum



i am all for constructive criticism and conversation - i have said that before, and it is genuine
love to discuss things, in the appropriate manner..
the company wants valid feedback..what upstanding company would not want feedback on their product?
it allows us to hear you guys, and make changes to product if we can and find it to be both suitable and practical

what has transpired here, has not been with this positive intent in mind

quite frankly, i find it to be sad
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dont be sad, get glad! 90% of my post are done via touch screen smart phone, and will be short answer! laugh my opinion doesn't matter, cause I'm not a consumer! but, I could be, you never know!
 
In the end there was some good feedback here. Positive honest feedback helps us all to understand the issues better and exchange of ideas brings about change. Steve has already made some of the same suggestions being made by others to the owners like he has mentioned.
 
Okay Okay Group hug! :grouphug:
 
ok, just read thru about the last 3 pages...one thing that struck me was snag saying atheletes are better nourished than gen pop and have less need for a multi!!!! what??????


i have grave concerns for anyone who rely's solely on diet for their essential vitamins and minerals...gda seeds with insectisides/herbicides/weed killers built into the dna of seeds are healthy???? i bet the fruits/veggies we eat today contain only a small fraction of nutrients they once contained!!! you can say that i eat organic, all that means is natural fertiliser. the seeds are all becoming hybrid, if companies like monsanto have their way in the next 10 years all seed will be hybrid-why, because you can only use them once then you have to buy more!!!

now we get to animal protein...OMG i don't even know where to start!!! how about hormones, ok-some of you will say hooray love me some hormones...but it is not muscle growing hormones that they want livestock to have-muscle is tough and sinewy...instead they want livestock to be high in estrogens, which cause them to have more fat and be more tender!!! then you don't have free range animals today, you have penned in animals which lay around and get fat faster which is desireable for breeders....geez, the list is very long...


i hate to think anyone really believes they can get everything they need thru diet today, i guess it is possible, but it would require a lot of work and a ton of calories to meet those needs, imo.


the FDA is fail in so many ways, i don't think i have enough time to list them all!!!!



take your vitamin and mineral pills boys and girls!!!!
 
@ thebigt - ooooo the great monsanto consiracy :paranoid:

i don't disagree with you here man..lots to this topic, and scary what that company has been getting away with for decades
parent company of lysol..been lying for over 30yrs about their product containing phenols and dioxin (aka Agent Orange), adamantly denying..now they admit it, and the case has been in court for yrs (bigtime attorneys forestalling the inevitable payout, while everyone ignorant of this continue to buy lysol in stores)..

the rats fed with monsanto grain, infested with nasty hyooge tumors all over thier bodies in no time..
is S-C-A-R-Y!!! :yikes:

anyway man - pertaining to the stance everyone should take a multi: i don't disagree, but not everyone feels this way
there are actually some very respected ppl in the medical field & scientific who stand in the opposite corner (ironically eh?)

as for athletes: again, generalized statement. i don't say all or even majority of athletes understand nutrition better than average joe..
but, i do surmise that more athletes eat better than the average joe, and specifically the pro athletes who have personal dieticians/coaches/cooks etc who structure dietary direction for them..

anyway, these are but opinions, and interesting points for discussion
all the other issues you bring up regarding foods/sourcing/impurities/hormones etc etc are very valid
i cannot (and will not) sit here and say i have concrete validation that you MUST supplement your diet with a daily multi - but i can tell you my opinion is, yeah i think you should have your bases covered, sure

a good multi is cheap enuff, that it makes sense not to take any chances

good discussion man, i like it! :D
 
snagencyV2.0 said:
@ thebigt - ooooo the great monsanto consiracy :paranoid:

i don't disagree with you here man..lots to this topic, and scary what that company has been getting away with for decades
parent company of lysol..been lying for over 30yrs about their product containing phenols and dioxin (aka Agent Orange), adamantly denying..now they admit it, and the case has been in court for yrs (bigtime attorneys forestalling the inevitable payout, while everyone ignorant of this continue to buy lysol in stores)..

the rats fed with monsanto grain, infested with nasty hyooge tumors all over thier bodies in no time..
is S-C-A-R-Y!!! :yikes:

anyway man - pertaining to the stance everyone should take a multi: i don't disagree, but not everyone feels this way
there are actually some very respected ppl in the medical field & scientific who stand in the opposite corner (ironically eh?)

as for athletes: again, generalized statement. i don't say all or even majority of athletes understand nutrition better than average joe..
but, i do surmise that more athletes eat better than the average joe, and specifically the pro athletes who have personal dieticians/coaches/cooks etc who structure dietary direction for them..

anyway, these are but opinions, and interesting points for discussion
all the other issues you bring up regarding foods/sourcing/impurities/hormones etc etc are very valid
i cannot (and will not) sit here and say i have concrete validation that you MUST supplement your diet with a daily multi - but i can tell you my opinion is, yeah i think you should have your bases covered, sure

a good multi is cheap enuff, that it makes sense not to take any chances

good discussion man, i like it! :D
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did you know that most countries in europe have a ban on importing corn from the u.s? europe has banned gdo, and over 90% of u.s corn is gdo.

the human studies show ulcers, and the studies are less than 3 years old..the long term side effects from gdo products could be much worse than what even the adversaries of gdo fear!!! hell, they are even working on altering the genetics of fruits to make them stay fresh longer, even though many fear a carcinogen effect.

the FDA is so pro business that if big business tells the feds it's safe then they are good to go. companies like adm and monsanto, along with big pharmaceutical have total control over the FDA.

like you said, multi's are cheap enough that everyone should invest in them, in my honest opinion!!!
 
you ever check out the board of directors of monsanto? a regular who's who of big business

Board of Directors

David L. Chicoine
David L. Chicoine, Ph.D. is president of South Dakota State University and professor of economics.

Janice L. Fields
Janice L. Fields is a former president of McDonald’s USA, LLC, a subsidiary of McDonald’s Corporation.

Hugh Grant (no not that hugh grant)
Hugh Grant is the chairman and chief executive officer of Monsanto Company.

Arthur H. Harper
Arthur H. Harper is managing partner of GenNx360 Capital Partners.

Laura K. Ipsen
Laura Ipsen is corporate vice president of Microsoft Corp.'s Worldwide Public Sector organization.

Gwendolyn S. King
Gwendolyn S. King is president of Podium Prose, a speakers bureau.

C. Steven McMillan
C. Steven McMillan is a retired chairman of the board and CEO of Sara Lee Corporation.

Jon R. Moeller
Jon R. Moeller is chief financial officer of The Procter & Gamble Company.

William U. Parfet
William U. Parfet is chairman of the board, chief executive officer and President of MPI Research Inc.

George H. Poste, Ph. D., D.V.M.
George H. Poste, Ph. D., D.V.M. is chief executive of Health Technology Networks.

Robert J. Stevens
Robert J. Stevens is chairman of the board and chief executive officer of Lockheed Martin Corporation.

there is government tie-in as well, hillary clinton had some involvement, and i think elder george bush was involved at some point too, not sure, no time to check right now

you think these guys are running scared of the FDA? or do you think it's the other way around.. :D
yeah buddy, conspiracy indeed

part of the problem is - there's just too many damn ppl running around!
that's the 'justification' at the end of the day here, to produce enuff food to feed the masses
(with the byproduct of a few select ppl getting very rich off the implementation of such)
unfortunately, just like we have ignored the environmental issues and all we have done to destroy it (in order to survive & thrive), so too have we ignored the fact we are destroying the very thing that we claim to worry about keeping us alive - ie food!

is a mess indeed, my friend. :ugh:
 
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