Best PCT???

Lacrossedude6

Lacrossedude6

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What is THE best PCT for a cycle that is longer than 8 weeks?
I am planning on running a test cycle of course for at least 8 weeks, not sure of I am going to plug any orals in yet. I do not have access to HCG at the moment. Can anyone lay me out THE BEST OF THE BEST. Heard a lot of good things about toremifene. I've only ran clomiphene and tamoxifen in the past. Thanks for replies ....
Regards.
Lacrosse
 
Lacrossedude6 said:
What is THE best PCT for a cycle that is longer than 8 weeks?
I am planning on running a test cycle of course for at least 8 weeks, not sure of I am going to plug any orals in yet. I do not have access to HCG at the moment. Can anyone lay me out THE BEST OF THE BEST. Heard a lot of good things about toremifene. I've only ran clomiphene and tamoxifen in the past. Thanks for replies ....
Regards.
Lacrosse
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For harsher injects -- tren, nandrolones, high dose test etc...hcg SHOULD be used for best measure.

If no access -- I would use every damn thing at your disposal to maintain. I personally hate the way serms make me feel (nolv/clo),

I rather use aromasin at 25mg a day, Invalid Link Removed(daa), Invalid Link Removedfor mood/anti depression and erection support, peptides ghrp-6 and MOD grf-129 twice daily. DES-igf-1 pre workout, you can throw in 10 mg of nolva if you wish, but I have seen bloods on the following and its not necessary.

-Matt
 
You are going to get a lot of differing opinions, however, a SERM such as Torem along with the TRS is my favorite. I have tried just about every variation out there and this is the best combo I have found.
 
ryansm said:
You are going to get a lot of differing opinions, however, a SERM such as Torem along with the TRS is my favorite. I have tried just about every variation out there and this is the best combo I have found.
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Thanks for the input man, yea so you would agree with this statement?

Clomid > Torem > Nolva ???
 
Lacrossedude6 said:
Thanks for the input man, yea so you would agree with this statement?

Clomid > Torem > Nolva ???
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I like Clomid in terms of recovery and think it is on par or better than Torem, however, I cannot handle the sides I get from it. In terms of overall efficacy plus safety Torem wins imo
 
MattPorter said:
For harsher injects -- tren, nandrolones, high dose test etc...hcg SHOULD be used for best measure.

If no access -- I would use every damn thing at your disposal to maintain. I personally hate the way serms make me feel (nolv/clo),

I rather use aromasin at 25mg a day, Invalid Link Removed(daa), Invalid Link Removedfor mood/anti depression and erection support, peptides ghrp-6 and MOD grf-129 twice daily. DES-igf-1 pre workout, you can throw in 10 mg of nolva if you wish, but I have seen bloods on the following and its not necessary.

-Matt
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I have actually seen more and more good reports on guys who just ran 50mg pharmaceutical clomid and Invalid Link Removed for PCT.
 
ryansm said:
I like Clomid in terms of recovery and think it is on par or better than Torem, however, I cannot handle the sides I get from it. In terms of overall efficacy plus safety Torem wins imo
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Well said, Torem seems legit, and i speak for myself with this , but you do get pretty emotional on Clomid IMO
 
Would do:

Nolva
20/20/10/10/10/10
Clomid
50/25/25
DAA
3/3/3/3
Cortisol Control Supp
0/0/x/x/x/x
 
HereToStudy said:
I have actually seen more and more good reports on guys who just ran 50mg pharmaceutical clomid and Invalid Link Removed for PCT.
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I bet clomid will boost lh/ fsh like crazy but boost Oestrogen levels in brain like a mothereffer --- you wont feel right for as long as your on it..

Really -- I have seen all serms, AIs, suicide AI's boost test indirectly, but aromasin i have NOT seen bad sides from my research.

And you KNOW Sustain Alpha Gel and TCF-1 is always needed alongside ANY pct....or just for pct itself.

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
I bet clomid will boost lh/ fsh like crazy but boost Oestrogen levels in brain like a mothereffer --- you wont feel right for as long as your on it..

Really -- I have seen all serms, AIs, suicide AI's boost test indirectly, but aromasin i have NOT seen bad sides from my research.

And you KNOW Sustain Alpha Gel and TCF-1 is always needed alongside ANY pct....or just for pct itself.

-Matt
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Agreed on all fronts.
 
FML the more I read about PCT the more confused I get... seems like there is no set science to any of this. I'm planning my first cycle of Test-E 500mg/wk starting around the first of the year, and I feel like it's going to take every bit of time I have just to sort out the info.

Good info seems to be harder to find than good sources haha!

** before anyone rags on me for being 175 and 6ft, I'm closer to 180 and should be near 185-190 by then...
 
MonsterTruckr said:
FML the more I read about PCT the more confused I get... seems like there is no set science to any of this. I'm planning my first cycle of Test-E 500mg/wk starting around the first of the year, and I feel like it's going to take every bit of time I have just to sort out the info.

Good info seems to be harder to find than good sources haha!

** before anyone rags on me for being 175 and 6ft, I'm closer to 180 and should be near 185-190 by then...
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There is no exact formula. What works for one will not work for everyone.

I personally am a fan of Clomid and the Testosterone Recovery Stack from primordial. Used this combo in my PCTs, and always had success.
 
MonsterTruckr said:
FML the more I read about PCT the more confused I get... seems like there is no set science to any of this. I'm planning my first cycle of Test-E 500mg/wk starting around the first of the year, and I feel like it's going to take every bit of time I have just to sort out the info.

Good info seems to be harder to find than good sources haha!



** before anyone rags on me for being 175 and 6ft, I'm closer to 180 and should be near 185-190 by then...
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Exactly there is not a right way --- just some ways work better for some people than others. Research and personal trial and error will be your only way to figure it out --- with blood work if possible.

Regardless of SERM like clomid, nolva., torem, or using suicide AI like Aromasin -- I would not go without using easily accessible products llke Sustain Alpha Gel and TCF-1 if you want to cover all ground.

-Matt
 
Just gonna take you even longer to fully recover. If you can't do a full pct (sometimes it takes longer than 4 weeks) don't take the test.
 
Ok gotcha.. How bout missing a day to 3 days out of the 4 week PCT that I'm on? Would that be an issue or that's not a big of a deal?
 
ALPH0NSE said:
What happens if I stopped PCT halfway by doing two weeks instead if four because of medical issues?
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May I ask what medical issues would require ceasing the pct? Surgery???

PCT is vital IMO because the body literally HATES gaining new muscle --- seriously.

-Matt
 
Nolvadex is the best SERM for boosting T levels (Torem is a close 2nd): Invalid Link Removed

Letrozole is also great at increasing T level: Invalid Link Removed

Take your pick, or do both. I personally have had success with both of them.
 
I agree with the info you are getting from the Primordial Reps, SERM & PP's Test rocovery stack, it has always worked for me, and I am NOT a rep. PP's products are legit!!
 
Finally a good pct thread. It's hard to find much solid info on torem, I have a whole bottle just dropped in the mail. For a short 4 week cycle of epi what would be the best dosage, can't be 120/90/60/30 I was thinking more 60/60/30/30 but then again I don't have solid knowledge on this subject and not many good torem threads on here, or the iPhone app doesn't bring them up. Reps will be given for some true knowledge on research grade Torem.
 
cokeholio said:
Finally a good pct thread. It's hard to find much solid info on torem, I have a whole bottle just dropped in the mail. For a short 4 week cycle of epi what would be the best dosage, can't be 120/90/60/30 I was thinking more 60/60/30/30 but then again I don't have solid knowledge on this subject and not many good torem threads on here, or the iPhone app doesn't bring them up. Reps will be given for some true knowledge on research grade Torem.
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What's your epi dosage and what are your other pct supps?
 
cokeholio said:
Finally a good pct thread. It's hard to find much solid info on torem, I have a whole bottle just dropped in the mail. For a short 4 week cycle of epi what would be the best dosage, can't be 120/90/60/30 I was thinking more 60/60/30/30 but then again I don't have solid knowledge on this subject and not many good torem threads on here, or the iPhone app doesn't bring them up. Reps will be given for some true knowledge on research grade Torem.
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Depends on some things, if it is Torem solo then the 120/90/60/30 protocol is a good one, if you are stacking daa, an anti-cort supp and a libido booster or OTC AI like Sustain Alpha then imo 60/60/30/30 is plenty. The addition of OTC products make PCT better overall even with a lower dose SERM from my experience.
 
ryansm said:
Depends on some things, if it is Torem solo then the 120/90/60/30 protocol is a good one, if you are stacking daa, an anti-cort supp and a libido booster or OTC AI like Sustain Alpha then imo 60/60/30/30 is plenty. The addition of OTC products make PCT better overall even with a lower dose SERM from my experience.
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Very much agreed. We had put out an outline of how to use a SERM with an over the counter PCT like the TRS.

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Thanks I know a lot about pct's the serms are what freak me out since they are so harsh from what I read. Torem everyone says is lighter as far as sides go. Was just looking for some torem experiences
 
cokeholio said:
Thanks I know a lot about pct's the serms are what freak me out since they are so harsh from what I read. Torem everyone says is lighter as far as sides go. Was just looking for some torem experiences
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Love torem. Have used it 4 times and loved it each time. Won't use anything else
 
HereToStudy said:
Very much agreed. We had put out an outline of how to use a SERM with an over the counter PCT like the TRS.

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....great thread!!!!!.....
 
HereToStudy said:
Yep, never got the appreciation it deserved.
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I just got on am 2 months ago, and I really appreciate this thread, and all the solid advice you guys give
 
cokeholio said:
Thanks I know a lot about pct's the serms are what freak me out since they are so harsh from what I read. Torem everyone says is lighter as far as sides go. Was just looking for some torem experiences
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Find my PCT protocol to work better than anything I have ever tried so take it for what it's worth.
 
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