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SNS Releases X-Gels, the strongest natural anabolic out there!

Just curious, why add Zinc to ArA?
 
kingjameskjf said:
I know some are in favor of doing it only on workout days, which is another good dosing scheme, but what you have is exactly how I ran it before and had nice results.
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excellent I'll be 6'0" 220 in no time :) JK thanks a lot your majesty.
 
Erase, Anabeta, xgels, oh my

And don't forget the alcar and agmatine and TTA if u got it.. That's about as naturally diesel as it gets
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Sigh....ordering two more bottles lol
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I have 3 and want 3 more :( probably going to pick some more up tomorrow.

I've really been wanting to try the creatine mag and COP. Gotta be great for explosive strength...
 
Evan666 said:
I will never purchase a MN product thanks to this Asshat. What a douche.

Anyway, anabeta is good to go with x-gels? I am super bummed that mine won't be here until Thursday :(
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It could be stacked with X-Gels, but I recommend dosing AnaBeta at least 4 hours away from the ArA because I believe it may have some anti-inflammatory properties.
 
Evan666 said:
I have 3 and want 3 more :( probably going to pick some more up tomorrow.

I've really been wanting to try the creatine mag and COP. Gotta be great for explosive strength...
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MCC is great, and I love dosing 2g COP preworkout.
 
antihero said:
MCC is great, and I love dosing 2g COP preworkout.
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I've used mcc in the past in green mag and trinitine. It seems your mcc has more active per serving? 4.5 g or so?

Ill have to pick up a 501 cap jug and call it a day
 
Evan666 said:
What do you personally notice most from COP?
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Increased endurance (both muscular and cardiovascular).
 
I just weighed one of my X-Gels and it was 215 lbs.
I can remember if I was on the scale too.
 
antihero said:
It could be stacked with X-Gels, but I recommend dosing AnaBeta at least 4 hours away from the ArA because I believe it may have some anti-inflammatory properties.
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Hmm

Seems problematic as Anabeta is to be dosed 1 hour Pre workout and immediately post..
 
oh come on now. regardless of whatever the discussion here was, Will Llewellyn is a long time respected person in both the supplement industry and hormone replacement industry. squabbles over products and ingredients happen, but have a little respect.
 
Are we not being a bit harsh on MN? What they said makes logical sense, unless of course the concentration of ArA is higher than 40%, but if it is why put 40% on the label. I stand by SNS products based on personal experience of them. I'm just saying there's no reason to act as if what is said by MN is irrational or based on no solid premise. MN has put forward a completely reasonable argument. Now we await a reasoned response from SNS.
 
EasyEJL said:
oh come on now. regardless of whatever the discussion here was, Will Llewellyn is a long time respected person in both the supplement industry and hormone replacement industry. squabbles over products and ingredients happen, but have a little respect.
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This
 
saggy321 said:
Are we not being a bit harsh on MN? What they said makes logical sense, unless of course the concentration of ArA is higher than 40%, but if it is why put 40% on the label. I stand by SNS products based on personal experience of them. I'm just saying there's no reason to act as if what is said by MN is irrational or based on no solid premise. MN has put forward a completely reasonable argument. Now we await a reasoned response from SNS.
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You and EasyEJL are right to a point. W.L. brought up some valid points, but I believe it was badly mishandled. By bringing this up in a public forum as he did, he made it a public issue and it should have never went this far. It should have been handled privately. I am not a fan of bashing competitors anyway as I believe it makes you look petulant and unprofessional. If you make a better product, that will come out and you shouldn't worry about it.

SNS has handled this much better than MN in my opinion. SNS did not lash out or immediately fire back. They are going to do their due diligence and then address the issue. MN did not. It also peeves me that on the other forum the MN rep changed his avi to a picture of a scale with X-Factor on/next to it. That is too far in my opinion.

I have used and liked SNS products in the past and I am certain that they will either be found to be in the right on this or will do whatever it takes to make it right. At the end of the day, that's all anybody can ask for.
 
I also think everyone is being hard on W.L. I think he could of handled the situation better but you have to remember his investment/history with ArA. He has spent a lot of time and money making ArA what it is over the past 10 or so years. I am sure he is very passionate about it, maybe too passionate, and just wants to make sure consumers are getting what they are paying for.

He is the person responsible for bring ArA to bodybuilding/weightlifting and is the expert on ArA supplementation. Regardless if you like him or not; if it wasn't for him we wouldn't be talking about ArA and SNS wouldn't have any X-Gels.
 
I can't speak for anyone else but I respect Bill and his drive to bring ArA to the market. I've been a long-time X-factor user and have promoted it on multiple boards. I have the utmost respect for the guy...I would have just liked him to PM me or call Steve rather than taking it directly to [multiple] boards. It's a courtesy I would have shown him if the opposite scenario were true.
 
I can't speak for anyone else but I respect Bill and his drive to bring ArA to the market. I've been a long-time X-factor user and have promoted it on multiple boards. I have the utmost respect for the guy...I would have just liked him to PM me or call Steve rather than taking it directly to [multiple] boards. It's a courtesy I would have shown him if the opposite scenario were true.
 
Patuba said:
I also think everyone is being hard on W.L. I think he could of handled the situation better but you have to remember his investment/history with ArA. He has spent a lot of time and money making ArA what it is over the past 10 or so years. I am sure he is very passionate about it, maybe too passionate, and just wants to make sure consumers are getting what they are paying for.

He is the person responsible for bring ArA to bodybuilding/weightlifting and is the expert on ArA supplementation. Regardless if you like him or not; if it wasn't for him we wouldn't be talking about ArA and SNS wouldn't have any X-Gels.
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Bill spoke with Steve on Friday and was given the opportunity to speak with Steve and the manufacturer via conferance call which he declined. The only real issue MN has with Xgels is they may have to lower their price a little instead of requiring retailers to charge a premium price
 
saggy321 said:
Are we not being a bit harsh on MN? What they said makes logical sense, unless of course the concentration of ArA is higher than 40%, but if it is why put 40% on the label. I stand by SNS products based on personal experience of them. I'm just saying there's no reason to act as if what is said by MN is irrational or based on no solid premise. MN has put forward a completely reasonable argument. Now we await a reasoned response from SNS.
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I was hardly being serious... it was for fun mostly. But in all honesty, he didn't conduct himself as an individual deserving of respect, which is surprising considering his supplement background.

He had no reason to go into a company section and make an unwarranted argument against a competing product. His vague statements and "oh I'm not talking about x-gels, but this is how you weigh a vitamin e capsule" is BS and uncalled for.

Thus, (and other reasons) the ban hammer was unleashed with inflammatory rage of 1000 x-gel capsules.
 
Evan666 said:
I have 3 and want 3 more :( probably going to pick some more up tomorrow.

I've really been wanting to try the creatine mag and COP. Gotta be great for explosive strength...
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What is COP?
 
not gonna lie, that picture comparing the sizes of the pills leaves me wondering what exactly is going on.

if both are in 40% solution looks like either: MN is over dosing their ArA, or Xgels is under dosed.

cant wait for all this to get cleared up
 
dat dude said:
What is COP?
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Creatinol O Phosphate

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thedarce said:
not gonna lie, that picture comparing the sizes of the pills leaves me wondering what exactly is going on.

if both are in 40% solution looks like either: MN is over dosing their ArA, or Xgels is under dosed.

cant wait for all this to get cleared up
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Coop already address this in this same thread a page or two back. Also, again, we test every batch, again 3rd party.
 
Evan666 said:
He had no reason to go into a company section and make an unwarranted argument against a competing product. His vague statements and "oh I'm not talking about x-gels, but this is how you weigh a vitamin e capsule" is BS and uncalled for.
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so far as I can tell, he still owns the patent or arasyn

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so that gives him a reason to look at products that use his ingredient. It doesn't necessarily give him the right to jump into a promotional thread on it though.
 
thedarce said:
not gonna lie, that picture comparing the sizes of the pills leaves me wondering what exactly is going on.

if both are in 40% solution looks like either: MN is over dosing their ArA, or Xgels is under dosed.

cant wait for all this to get cleared up
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OR perhaps there is 400mgs of EFA and 225 mg of ara oil in xf??? There are several possible scenarios that could account for the difference in size
 
EasyEJL said:
so far as I can tell, he still owns the patent or arasyn

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so that gives him a reason to look at products that use his ingredient. It doesn't necessarily give him the right to jump into a promotional thread on it though.
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No Cargill has the patent(since 2010)
 
kingjameskjf said:
I love MCC too. How many caps do you take ED? I got a bottle of COP waiting for me to try out.
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I take 4 MCC everyday.
 
thedarce said:
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i'm not trying to start anything, i like coop and day and talk to them. and have a bottle on the way, so i want to know whats going on.
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You can use different softgel sizes and just not fill them up. Sometimes people do that to make it look like you get more or to have a bigger bottle on the shelf. Or sometimes people choose because there might be a good deal on one size vs another (although capsule prices are usually negligible).

If you knew the volume of whatever amount of ARA you can calculate whether or not it would fit in that softgel size.

In other words comparing the size alone doesn't necessarily tell us much.
 
I'm really excited about this product. I just thought about something. Does anybody know this product will elevate uric acid levels? If so I can't take it:(
 
Royd The Noyd said:
You can use different softgel sizes and just not fill them up. Sometimes people do that to make it look like you get more or to have a bigger bottle on the shelf. Or sometimes people choose because there might be a good deal on one size vs another (although capsule prices are usually negligible).

If you knew the volume of whatever amount of ARA you can calculate whether or not it would fit in that softgel size.

In other words comparing the size alone doesn't necessarily tell us much.
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Here is the math:

625mg * 40% = 250mg

625mg is the total volume of oil
40% is the concentrate of ArA
250mg is the total dosage of ArA
 
antihero said:
It could be stacked with X-Gels, but I recommend dosing AnaBeta at least 4 hours away from the ArA because I believe it may have some anti-inflammatory properties.
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Doing exactly this now...Xgels preWO (5am), 2 anabeta with lunch @ 11, 2 anabeta with dinner @ 5....ran them together (not spaced apart) last fall and I didn't seem to get the same recomp effect as when I had run each of them solo earlier in the year...so we'll see how these next several weeks go...
 
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