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No pimping allowed thead! What stim product is best thats 1,3 dim free?

ragNorock from millinium nutrition is a good one. stim free as well.

monster amino, 200mg caffiene hcl, and poweraid make a good pre w/o as well.
 
ax1 said:
Im a fan of AX's products but havent tried Super Size yet. Ill have to give it a try sometime thanks for the suggestion.
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I have a supersize that I will sell you if your interested... Oh wait is this pimping? Dont neg me!!! :scared:
 
ax1 said:
Reps/Company owners, no pimping your product here I dont care how much you love your own product, I will neg you and work hard to destroy your product in my thread!

Sorry, just want unbiased opinion, other than that your (reps) welcome to join in and suggest others not belonging to your company, thank you.
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haha DIG IT! :D
 
Look into NOW brand "Energy"

I'm a stim junkie and this stuff is actually pretty good!

At only $8/bottle, can't lose.

This product contains approx. 54 mg of natural caffeine per serving (equivalent
to about 1/2 cup of coffee). I have no idea how it feels so stimulating at only 54 mg of caffeine, thus validatign their formula (the ingredients working in concert). Saves the adrenals too.



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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]2%
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Succinate)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]15
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[TD="class: tiny"]I.U.
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]50%
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HCl)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]10
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]670%
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B-2)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]590%
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[TD="class: tiny"]Niacin (B3) (Vitamin
B-3)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]25
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[TD="class: tiny"]mg
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]130%
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[TD="class: tiny"]Vitamin B6 (from Pyridoxine
HCl)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]10
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]500%
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Cyanocobalamin)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]100
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]1670%
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]150
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]100%
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Chelavite®)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]200
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[TD="class: tiny"]mcg
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]170%
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d-Pantothenate)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]10
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[TD="class: tiny"]mg
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]100%
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[TD="class: tiny"]Guarana Standardized Extract (Paullinia cupana) (Seed) (Contains 42 mg of Caffeine)
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[TD="class: tiny"]Green Tea Extract (Camellia sinensis) (Leaf) (Contains 8 mg of Caffeine)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]200
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[TD="class: tiny"]mg
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[TD="class: tiny"]Panax Ginseng (5% Ginsenosides)
(Root)
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senticosus) (Root)
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(Root)
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(Root)
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(Whole Plant)
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[TD="class: tiny, align: right"]100
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ax1 said:
Im a fan of adaptogens (with stims) and alcar (1.5 gram with 300mg caffeine when cycling off stims, well sort of cycling off). Never tried racetam, piracetam though Ill have to look into that more.
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JudoJosh said:
I have a supersize that I will sell you if your interested... Oh wait is this pimping? Dont neg me!!! :scared:
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haha...your the loophole master.

Im pretty well stocked in supplements right now (I actually have 6 bottles of Nutra 1,3 coming in as well as several bottles of 1,3 in my cabinet,) the reasoning of this thread wasnt due to an immediate purchase decision but rather getting some idea's in and perhaps trying something different at some point soon.
 
Whacked said:
Look into NOW brand "Energy"

I'm a stim junkie and this stuff is actually pretty good!

At only $8/bottle, can't lose.

This product contains approx. 54 mg of natural caffeine per serving (equivalent
to about 1/2 cup of coffee). I have no idea how it feels so stimulating at only 54 mg of caffeine, thus validatign their formula (the ingredients working in concert). Saves the adrenals too.
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That looks interesting. It looks like something I would take if I needed a mild pick me up late at night without disturbing my sleep.

Some good herbs in that product.
 
You're exactly right. It's a nice pick me up (at regular dosing of 2 caps)

When I need a rush, I take 4 and it's pretty impressive and the energy felt is clean/smooth ;)

ax1 said:
That looks interesting. It looks like something I would take if I needed a mild pick me up late at night without disturbing my sleep.

Some good herbs in that product.
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ax1 said:
Im a bit worried about Craze and its ingredients after the recent controversy of whats in it. Reports of numbness and even chewing on air are a little worrisome.
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Im a fan of AX's products but havent tried Super Size yet. Ill have to give it a try sometime thanks for the suggestion.
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I'd give craze a shot, or at least if you know anyone who can give you a sample. I'm amazed at how well it works low dose. I think it's probably easy to over do it. I actually use a quarter scoop if I'm going out for the night and I'm surprised at how focused it makes me while not stimmed at all, it's pretty magic. I think people are possibly overdoing it to try to feel the stimmed effect they usually get and not starting small and noticing the effect.
 
DS CRAZE got my vote. However, I feel like all pwo are the same so I've just given up hope buying them :(
 
I liked MST's Ragnorok, but I found myself taking more than a scoop after about 3 weeks (a whopping mound of a scoop). I think that's kind of the opposite of what I'm supposed to do? lol. I also liked old Muscle Pharm Assault, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of the new one. I dont know if anyone still sells the old one.

I don't know how you look at criticism of other's suggestions, but I really did not like Superpump Maxx. I took the whole packet (I think that's two scoops) and noticed way too little benefit in terms of energy/endurance in the gym (like I'd be too worn out half way through my workouts instead of at the end). It was also my third time taking it.
 
Torobestia said:
I liked MST's Ragnorok, but I found myself taking more than a scoop after about 3 weeks (a whopping mound of a scoop). I think that's kind of the opposite of what I'm supposed to do? lol. I also liked old Muscle Pharm Assault, but I can't say I'm a huge fan of the new one. I dont know if anyone still sells the old one.

I don't know how you look at criticism of other's suggestions, but I really did not like Superpump Maxx. I took the whole packet (I think that's two scoops) and noticed way too little benefit in terms of energy/endurance in the gym (like I'd be too worn out half way through my workouts instead of at the end). It was also my third time taking it.
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I dont think there is anything wrong with upping the dose...but there will be a point you should decide to cycle off.

I wonder how much caffeine is in Ragnorok? Damn prop blends, I love them but also hate them, lol.
 
ax1 said:
I dont think there is anything wrong with upping the dose...but there will be a point you should decide to cycle off.

I wonder how much caffeine is in Ragnorok? Damn prop blends, I love them but also hate them, lol.
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You know, the funny thing is I took the caffeine free version =o

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And just to detail something I forgot to mention in my last post, a scoop of creatine, LCLT, and a cup of coffee did the EXACT same to me at the gym as those sample packets of SP Maxx.
 
there is no caffiene in rag no rock *i was talking about. i mentioned that when i recomended it earlier. stim free.

didn't realize there were two versions.*
 
Shiit, I shouldn't have said anything. Now all the Ragnorok is out of stock just when I was about to buy.
 
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