hahaa that is a good idea, but like i said ben, I am not going to start my stackkk till i start my next 16 week cycle of training i think.. (depending on how i feel, how many weeks i have left of this MD training cycle, etc) but as of right now i have a slight inflammation of the cartilage in my CHEST, meaning i cant to dips, deep stretches, deep press reps, etc.. i am SUPER disappointed in this fact.. but ya man i'm not bitchin i was just curious if you had any idea. thanks for the feedback though ben