Thanks mr cooper .
I think it is a great question actually.I love selenium but I have to disagree with a 400mcg dose:
Dietary Selenium Intake Modulates Thyroid Hormone and Energy Metabolism in Men (weight gain at high doses)
Effects of Long-Term Selenium Supplementation on the Incidence of Type 2 Diabetes (methodoligically flawed IMO, but still worth noting)
Any particular reason for exceeding 200mcg?
The totals I wrote in were averages I have active clients on. There are some volume of distribution issues and dietary differences I didn't get into because people like to be able to generalize. When we generalize, I go with averages (and this is with over 12,000 clients and probably an additional 2,000 patients in the confides of about 12 years).Thanks for the info. I've been waiting on the list.
Are those doses independent of how much you get from food or total?
Seems like an obvious answer but my assumptions suck.
No fish oil in your top 10 doc?
I think he's assuming we are eating diets rich in fatty fish.
Lovaza and NKO, why both; much of the O3 benefit goes away beyond 4 grams combined EPA/DHA?Good then I'm pretty much set for supps besides my preworkouts here and there... BUT I need a good Co-enzyme B complex. REPS for quality suggestions (no reps for duplicates).
Ubiquininol 200mg/day *may up it to 400mg in the future
MCC and/or creatine nitrate 3-5g/day
ZMK (MST) 200mcg selenium + 500mg magnesium
ALCAR/LCLT/GPLC/PLCAR 6g/day I started to rotate between all these with 1 month breaks after two months on
Ajipure L-Leucine 10g+/day 6g postworkout w/40g isolate and the rest with a shake during the day. Plan on capping some to take with meals
Buffered Vit C (now foods) have to cap it myself soon but been using here and there but not near workout.
Beta-alanine/ COP Gonna rotate between the two. Cycling on and off... 2months on 1 off.
*need to pick up new B complex Open to suggestions
Not starting curcumin yet...
**other staples
Lovaza (4g) and Neptune Krill Oil (500mg-1g).
Thiamin (vitamin B-1) (as benfotiamine) | 54.4 mg | 3,627% |
Riboflavin (as riboflavin 5'-phosphate) | 50 mg | 2,941% |
Niacin (as inositol hexanicotinate) | 100 mg | 500% |
Vitamin B-6(as pyridoxal 5-phosphate) | 50 mg | 2,500% |
Folate (as Quatrefolic® [6S]-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic acid equivalent to 1.6 mcg of [6S]-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic acid, glucosamine salt) | 800 mcg | 200% |
Vitamin B-12(as methylcobalamin) | 500 mcg | 8,333% |
Biotin | 50 mcg | 17% |
Choline(as choline dihydrogen citrate) | 50 mg | * |
PABA (para-aminobenzoic acid) | 50 mg | * |
Pantethine (coenzyme A precursor)(from Pantesin® 80% pantethine) | 50 mg | * |
Inositol(from inositol hexanicotinate) | 25 mg | * |
I don't necessarily agree with the comments on oral bioavailability namely because when compared in Vitamin B12 deficient individuals...oral route administration regulates serum levels of both vitamin B12 and methylmalonic acid on the same level as the INTRAMUSCULAR route. I think all this suggestion of sublingual is hogwash actually and only supported by funded research of vested groups.Wow I had the thread open for a while before posting so I never realized that you basically posted the exact same thing before me .
The source naturals product looks solid, and I suspect that the sublingual delivery will aid particularly with the b-12, as oral bioavailability isn't the best and instrinsic factor is limiting.
We do have a mineral panel we use in the office, but it is not supported by everyone and you can, unfortunately NOT generalize results across different assays, HOWEVER, I do not think there is a lot that can be told from it, so it is reserved for very specific patients and honestly Hashimoto's or any other thyroid illness is not one of them. Make sure that whoever suggested you get it done for that condition doesn't have some level of vested interest in a worthless assay. Mineral levels change minute-to-minute.Doc, I'm curious what your thoughts are on dosing any of these if you've had blood tests without dosing them that show levels at normal and/or optimal levels.
I mainly ask about selenium, though I'm curious about magnesium, as well. I've had serum tests on both and they're both pretty much where I'd want to see them. However, I know there has always been debate from different doctors on proper ways to measure different things; i.e. is the best test urine, or blood or hair or saliva? And the reason I mention selenium is because I have Hashimoto's and I know adding in certain minerals can provide the opposite of the desired effect.
If my blood work shows:
Magnesium - 1.9mg/dL (ref: 1.8 - 2.5)
Selenium - 151 ug/L (ref: 23-190)
Zinc - 91 ug/dL (ref 60-120)
What are your thoughts (as these levels are only from what I obtain via diet and a multi-vitamin)?
If our only choices are serum and RBC test - then sure, I suppose it is "better."RBC test for zinc and magnesium, not serum.
Depends upon goal: predilection for the following...Dr. Houser,
What are your thoughts on the following study
PubMed Abstract
Full Text
It seems convention has been not to combine the two. Yet you recommend a combination of the 3. With recent consideration to add the carnitines to my daily regimine, I am curious of your thoughts on the matter.
Also, if you could I would be interested in your thoughts on supplementing with Choline in conjunction with Carnitine supplements. For reference:
Abstract
Full Text (Warning: PDF)
Choline is a great combo - again, like the Selenium / NAC / SAMe / B Complex before it; this may certainly be a combo to propose if I weren't doing single nutrients (actually, the combination of many different nutrients can assist absorption of virtually everything in the top 10). Maybe we could suggest lower dosing of carnitine salts with choline in combination here as opposed to it as a side bar.I just posted that a couple days ago in another thread.. Thanks for the full paper
And another one - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7616311/
And this one seems to suggest that the combination of carnitine and choline would be a nice combination for fat loss
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12514272/
I am unsure about ginger (maybe my top 25), but ALA absolutely - top 15.I take ginger and R-ALA every day. Are they far from making to the top10 list?
Nice list - outside of the multi IMO.1. fish oil
2. ubiquinol
3. vit C or ascorbyl palmitate
4. resveratrol
5. Rainbow lite men's multi
6. natural beta carotinoid mix
7. zinc
8. magnesium
9. potassium bicarbonate
10. beta alanine, choline, and or ALCAR-fumarate generally in rotation and not all at once.
11. HCG, lol
L-carnitine (free form); I do not recommend. The salts - 2 grams of each (if you can find them all...becomming harder and harder).Dr, really enjoyed reading your posts over the years.
Not sure if this has been addressed so apologies if I have missed it. Im really looking for your optimal dosing of ala , agmatine and l-carnitine through out the day. ( ideally for body composition purposes)
Thanks
Essentially yes - see above.300-600mg of R-ALA (hopefully salt stabilized).
750mg-1g agmatine.
2g of carnitine.
Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed replies, it certainly helps.Depends upon goal: predilection for the following...
1) LCLT - androgen receptor
2) PLC - Cardiovascular
3) ALCAR - Cerebrovascular / Neurovascular
If simply for general health, a combination of the three with focus on all of the studied parameters - a little attenuation of levels is one thing, an omission is another.
Choline is a great combo - again, like the Selenium / NAC / SAMe / B Complex before it; this may certainly be a combo to propose if I weren't doing single nutrients (actually, the combination of many different nutrients can assist absorption of virtually everything in the top 10). Maybe we could suggest lower dosing of carnitine salts with choline in combination here as opposed to it as a side bar.
I am unsure about ginger (maybe my top 25), but ALA absolutely - top 15.
Nice list - outside of the multi IMO.
L-carnitine (free form); I do not recommend. The salts - 2 grams of each (if you can find them all...becomming harder and harder).
Agmatine - depends on goal; what are you using it for?
R-ALA is to Na-R-ALA about a 2:1 ratio, so if you use say 600 mg of R-ALA, then I would say use 300 mg of Na-R-ALA for equivalency. The reason for using this is reflected in my recommendations: If using it for general antioxidant - probably 100-300mg is sufficient. If using it for glycemic variation attenuation - minimally double that number at 300-600 mg (for some very insulin resistant, probably even upwards of 3 times the dose or 900 mg) spread over the larger meals of the day (B/L/D).
Essentially yes - see above.
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Good man. I am in disagreement with dinoiii in that the true benefit of LCLT is effects on recovery (of which increased AR density is actually a product). A great addition to any athlete/weightlifter's stack. 1-2g (and up to 4g) of LCLT have been proven effective, and 2g for PLCAR and ALCAR.Thanks for taking the time to write such detailed replies, it certainly helps.
1) LCLT - androgen receptor
2) PLC - Cardiovascular
3) ALCAR - Cerebrovascular / Neurovascular
As Above ^^ would you suggest 2g's daily of each? Divided dosages?
Agmatine, using it alongside ALA for two benefits, body composition and pumps pre workout.
I will ditch the ALA and look to invest in R-ALA or NA-R-ALA.
Thanks for you help as well brother, i do appreciate it. Looking forward to the LCLT, PLC and ALCAR arriving so I can begin dosing them and see what additional benefits they can give me.Good man. I am in disagreement with dinoiii in that the true benefit of LCLT is effects on recovery (of which increased AR density is actually a product). A great addition to any athlete/weightlifter's stack. 1-2g (and up to 4g) of LCLT have been proven effective, and 2g for PLCAR and ALCAR.
Just regular carnitine with the ala and ag?Thanks for you help as well brother, i do appreciate it. Looking forward to the LCLT, PLC and ALCAR arriving so I can begin dosing them and see what additional benefits they can give me.
Pretty excited as well to move away from straight ALA and more towards R-ALA at least and see what sort of recomp I get from it, I guess the anti-oxidant properties are fantastic as well and the more I read about this stack the greater it all seems.
Strangely since using ALA + Agmatine and L-Carnitine, my body fat has reduced significantly on the same diet. I am VERY impressed how quickly this has all happened and certainly will be recommending this as a fantastic recomp stack in the future. The exciting part about it all is the stack is actually HEALTHY for you, rather than using a hormonal product to recomp.
I would say that since what the doc says is a good single dose for vitamin C would be good to take a couple times as opposed to not taking it at all.Sorry if redundant, but I wad reading about possible oxidation when using acetyl l-catnitine and using lipoic acids(preferably na-rala) to combat this would be ideal. I was wondering if NAC(500mg) and vitamin C(500mg) twice a day would be enough to combat this since I do not have the aforementioned(money is tight right now)?
My question isn't really so much on vitamin c. I appreciate the response.I would say that since what the doc says is a good single dose for vitamin C would be good to take a couple times as opposed to not taking it at all.
No problem. I found an article real fast that I read a while ago about ALCAR and ALA synergy, so I'll post up. ALCAR is also synergistic with a good choline source. I know that a lot of good B complexes have choline in it, so since it's recommended to take B vitamins multiple times a day, I'm going to look for a good coenzymate B formula with choline citrate or bitartrate.My question isn't really so much on vitamin c. I appreciate the response.
As I have been reading I see it theorized that some form of ala is beneficial to take along side alcar due...form a type of mitochondrial powerhouse. The theory(if I am understanding it) is that even though alcar is an antioxidant its break down of fats can cause some type of oxidation. Ala(and subtypes) are mitochondria based antioxidants that can prevent and percieved harm from the alcar; ala can get anywhere is the cell due to being water and fat soluble(plus it regenerates c + e). Also, I have been reading it has some synergy in anti aging possibly.
So the thoughts on the theory of aclar/ala combo is what I am after. Is this a pb&j combo? Lol
Edit:^^^can relate to above post
ALA may synergize with ALCAR and further increase exercise performance in two ways. First, it may increase glucose transport to muscle, particularly because exercise is associated with a high degree of oxidative stress. Secondly, ALA and ALCAR may synergize to increase fatty acid utilization and cellular energy production.
A second benefit of ALCAR is fat loss. Studies in animals have found it to decrease fat mass and/or increase lean mass, as well as blunt the age-related increase in fat cell size. In a study in humans, 700 mg carnitine and 900 mg choline caused a significant decrease in body fat. Once again, ALA may synergize by improving mitochondrial function and fatty acid oxidation, as well as having a positive nutrient partitioning effect when used around exercise.
In the area of anti-aging research, Dr. Bruce Ames has had very promising results with this combination of nutrients. Mitochondrial damage is a significant factor in the aging process, and ALCAR greatly improves mitochondrial function when given to old rats. Along with this comes improved short term memory and cognitive function, an effect that has also been observed when elderly humans are given ALCAR. However, Dr. Ames also found that when rodents were given high (but not low) doses of ALCAR, hepatic antioxidant status was lowered. ALA prevented this, and also caused an even further improvement in mitochondrial function.
Clearly, this blend of powerful nutrients has a variety of uses. Some other supplements, such as choline and antioxidant vitamins, may provide added benefit.
Very interesting stuff. I also was gonna switch to b-complex to save money, and to be effective. Finding one with a good dose of choline would be nice.No problem. I found an article real fast that I read a while ago about ALCAR and ALA synergy, so I'll post up. ALCAR is also synergistic with a good choline source. I know that a lot of good B complexes have choline in it, so since it's recommended to take B vitamins multiple times a day, I'm going to look for a good coenzymate B formula with choline citrate or bitartrate.
Here's a very interesting article that goes over a lot of what was discussed here throughout the many pages and it talks about the anti-catabolic activity of anti-oxidants in general (though ALA has good GDA and repartitioning effects as well).Very interesting stuff. I also was gonna switch to b-complex to save money, and to be effective. Finding one with a good dose of choline would be nice.
I never even thought about that 3rd type of synergy. Basically, since ala(na-rala preferred) can act as a GDA, and l-carnitine metabolizes fats, does that mean(what the article is saying) this could function in increased fat loss(not weight)?
It is late, so I am not very sharp right now. Will read again tomorrow and try to read up more. Thank you sir.
Vitamin C is by far the most known anti-cortisol vitamin contributing to anti-catabolic effects on muscle metabolism. But there are other anti-oxidants, such as R-Alpha Lipoic Acid or R-ALA. Although not considered an anti-catabolic, it contributes to anti-catabolism and muscle cell preservation through both its potent anti-oxidant and repartitioning activities. The very fact that it alone minimizes the oxidation-related damage done to cells upon transferring amino acids through the cell membrane and increasing myocyte or muscle cell storage capacity is sufficient to extrapolate its contribution to the anabolic process. Its anti-oxidant properties contribute directly to anti-catabolism, while its partitioning mechanism is directly anabolic. Growth can be attained and consistently maintained through natural means now more so than ever before. Many times natural alternatives to high-risk anabolics are overlooked and type-casted as being comparatively ineffective, since they are seen as less effective. It is this disconnect that holds back or blocks the consideration that new improvements are also being discovered among natural sources identified for supporting lean mass development through anti-catabolic means. Supplement users can create a significant level of nutritional leverage stacking Vitamin C with Vitamins E and K, and spacing out multi-tab or multi-cap B-Complex formulas throughout the day - taking them only with meals, as needed. Vitamin C may be the most versatile and direct of mainstream vitamin sources that contribute to muscle preservation. Even for joint preservation over time, Vitamins C and D can help to mitigate the damaging effects of glucocorticoids on ligament and cartilage tissue. But in that case, they are best stacked with CISSUS for joint repair and cortisol reduction, and Vitamin C should be stacked with HMB, KIC, and/or BCAAs for maximum anti-catabolic effect. Recognizing that mainstream vitamins and minerals (i.e., zinc chelate for maximum absorption and testosterone recovery from intense training) add value to muscle preservation and directed anabolism is what's required to move on towards stacking with specialty anti-catabolics, rather than consuming them in isolation.
The anabolic effects of allowing growth to occur through a safe anti-catabolic pathway occur in increments so small that they appear only linear in scope. In fact, the difference between using mainstream vitamins to support anabolism strategically and not doing so, is the scaled net effect of their inclusion in the overall stack long before diminishing returns set in. In other words, results are ensured.
Recommended Ingredients:
1. Vitamin C - required for connective tissue production and maintenance - (3-10 grams per day)
2. BCAA - anti-catabolism, amino acid retention effects bypass liver, assists recovery
3. HMB - anti-catabolism, cell wall strengthener, amino acid retention, strength, recovery, growth, repartitions lipids into intramuscular fat
4. R-Alpha Lipoic Acid - potent antioxidant, repartitioning agent, fat loss
5. Vitamins A,C,D,E - anti-oxidants, collagen formation (C), skin repair (A,C,E), bone health (C, D)
I've always wondered taking rala near the workout. The anti oxidant properties would hinder some of the oxidative stress that is caused via exercise and not facilitate the desired anabolic response right? Ive always taken alcar, lclt, and rala pre workout.. Should i limit it to just the carnitines?Noted for future comment. Many misconceptions in today's posts
I tried to start this conversation elsewhere too, and not a lot to be said. Very vague answers. Your thoughts on their synergy, or lack there of would be much appreciated.Noted for future comment. Many misconceptions in today's posts
If I am wrong, please correct me so I can adjust the list for future supplements. I am just reading page after page after page of conflicting facts and opinions. For example, I read about the cortisol blunting effects of 1 gram of vitamin C post workout, so I take an Emergen C, but now I guess by doing that I may be damaging myself even further?Noted for future comment. Many misconceptions in today's posts
I think it is correlated with the adaption to exercise. meaning the bodys natural response and sequence is being manipulated so adaption is thus adjusted. I have always wondered about all this as well. Sometimes taking all the extra supports might be blunting progress.If I am wrong, please correct me so I can adjust the list for future supplements. I am just reading page after page after page of conflicting facts and opinions. For example, I read about the cortisol blunting effects of 1 gram of vitamin C post workout, so I take an Emergen C, but now I guess by doing that I may be damaging myself even further?
Let's start with the post you quoted:Here's a very interesting article that goes over a lot of what was discussed here throughout the many pages and it talks about the anti-catabolic activity of anti-oxidants in general (though ALA has good GDA and repartitioning effects as well).
ALCAR and R-ALA complement each other as antioxidants, but the primary reason the two are recommended together is due to consistent synergistic effects that have been observed by Dr. Ames, namely these 3 studies:I tried to start this conversation elsewhere too, and not a lot to be said. Very vague answers. Your thoughts on their synergy, or lack there of would be much appreciated.
LOL. I'm about to give up on supplements! Everything I read is a conflictLet's start with the post you quoted:
Vitamin C will not lower cortisol in healthy individuals who are not participating in strenuous endurance activities or facing some sort of strong external stressor (i.e. running a marathon). Vitamin C is a great antioxidant, but not for cortisol control. The conclusion that R-ALA (nevermind that they didn't use Na-RLA) is anabolic is also a poor extrapolation. The improved insulin sensitivity and activity in the mitochondria is once again great, but not for the reasons the author mentions. The terms "recovery", "anti-catabolic," and "anabolism" are thrown around very haphazardly. Here are my edited ingredients:
Recommended Ingredients:
1. Vitamin C - required for connective tissue production and maintenance - 500mg doses (plasma saturation) taken with meals. Not to be taken within 4 hours of training UNLESS using nitrates, in which 500mg should be taken preworkout to inhibit gastric nitrosation.
2. Leucine - Forget BCAAs and HMB. Leucine is a far more efficient way to acquire the desired response on MPS. 0.045g/kg BW taken at once, 2 or more hours postprandially.
4. Na-R-Alpha Lipoic Acid - potent antioxidant, repartitioning agent
5. Refer to my Post in "How to Construct a Basic Stack" and read up on the ACES protocol: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/198135-how-construct-basic.html. FYI, we are posting in the section of the man who made ACES what it is.
The 1 gram of vitamin C postworkout is actually hindering your progress for 2 reasons:
1. It is above the plasma saturation dose and thus a waste.
2. There is a decent body of evidence suggesting that periworkout Vitamin C consumption hinders hypertrophy and long-term performance.
I think ACES along with ALCAR, Agmatine, Ubiquinol, and Na-R-ALA are right up your alley then.LOL. I'm about to give up on supplements! Everything I read is a conflict
Thanks for the info though. I don't actually use much anymore, but am looking to put together an all around vitamin/mineral stack for health, anti-aging, and wellness so this helps out a lot.
Wow, awesome info. My question is answered finally. Already have bulk agmatine and alcar, so I just gotta get the na-r-ala. I really appreciate it man.ALCAR and R-ALA complement each other as antioxidants, but the primary reason the two are recommended together is due to consistent synergistic effects that have been observed by Dr. Ames, namely these 3 studies:
Hagen TM, Liu J, Lykkesfeldt J, Wehr CM, Ingersoll RT, Vinarsky V, Bartholomew JC, Ames BN. Feeding acetyl-L-carnitine and lipoic acid to old rats significantly improves metabolic function while decreasing oxidative stress. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 2002;99:1870-5.
Liu J, Head E, Gharib AM, Yuan W, Ingersoll RT, Hagen TM, Cotman CW, Ames BN. Memory loss in old rats is associated with brain mitochondrial decay and RNA/DNA oxidation: Partial reversal by feeding acetyl-L-carnitine and/or R-?-lipoic acid. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 2002;99:2356-61.
Liu J, Killilea D, Ames BN. Age-associated mitochondrial oxidative decay: Improvement of carnitine acetyltransferase substrate binding affinity and activity in brain by feeding old rats acetyl-L-carnitine and/or R-?-lipoic acid. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 2002;99:1876-81.
What has often gotten misconstrued is that ALA can prevent the pro-oxidative effects of ALCAR. And in fact, it can reduce ALCAR-induced ROS and has been proven to do so. So why is this not important? ALCAR was shown to generate ROS at high doses. You should be using 2g/day anyway so this should be a non-issue, especially if you are cycling off alcar every few months.
There are other studies that have examined the two in conjunction, but as is often the case, the research has not quite reached humans as of yet:
R-alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine complementarily promote mitochondrial biogenesis in murine 3T3-L1 adipocytes.
Combined R-alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine exerts efficient preventative effects in a cellular model of Parkinson's disease
From the latter study, check out the abstract:
Mitochondrial dysfunction and oxidative damage are highly involved in the pathogenesis of Parkinson's disease (PD). Some mitochondrial antioxidants/nutrients that can improve mitochondrial function and/or attenuate oxidative damage have been implicated in PD therapy. However, few studies have evaluated the preventative effects of a combination of mitochondrial antioxidants/nutrients against PD, and even fewer have sought to optimize the doses of the combined agents. The present study examined the preventative effects of two mitochondrial antioxidant/nutrients, R-alpha-lipoic acid (LA) and acetyl-L-carnitine (ALC), in a chronic rotenone-induced cellular model of PD. We demonstrated that 4-week pretreatment with LA and/or ALC effectively protected SK-N-MC human neuroblastoma cells against rotenone-induced mitochondrial dysfunction, oxidative damage and accumulation of alpha-synuclein and ubiquitin. Most notably, we found that when combined, LA and ALC worked at 100-1000-fold lower concentrations than they did individually. We also found that pretreatment with combined LA and ALC increased mitochondrial biogenesis and decreased production of reactive oxygen species through the up-regulation of the peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-gamma coactivator 1alpha as a possible underlying mechanism. This study provides important evidence that combining mitochondrial antioxidant/nutrients at optimal doses might be an effective and safe prevention strategy for PD.
As you can see, a synergistic effect has been consistently reported between the two antioxidants, and thus I would recommend taking them together (though not at EXACTLY the same time because ALCAR will polymerize with Na-R-ALA; take the Na-R-ALA 30 minutes prior to ingesting ALCAR). Add agmatine to that stack as well, take it first thing in the morning, and reap the benefits.
Swanson just released a new "activated b complex." $17.99 for 60caps.
1 capsule contains:
Thiamin (vitamin B-1) (as benfotiamine)
54.4 mg
3,627%
Riboflavin (as riboflavin 5'-phosphate)
50 mg
2,941%
Niacin (as inositol hexanicotinate)
100 mg
500%
Vitamin B-6(as pyridoxal 5-phosphate)
50 mg
2,500%
Folate (as Quatrefolic® [6S]-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic acid equivalent to 1.6 mcg of [6S]-5-Methyltetrahydrofolic acid, glucosamine salt)
800 mcg
200%
Vitamin B-12(as methylcobalamin)
500 mcg
8,333%
Biotin
50 mcg
17%
Choline(as choline dihydrogen citrate)
50 mg
*
PABA (para-aminobenzoic acid)
50 mg
*
Pantethine (coenzyme A precursor)(from Pantesin® 80% pantethine)
50 mg
*
Inositol(from inositol hexanicotinate)
25 mg
*
Hey Force of Green this seems to best Coenzyme B formula out there.
Thanks Koi and MSUcurt. I like the profile of both. I put together a very solid stack of kinda everything that this thread has come to somewhat agree on as far as anti-oxidants. I think NP is probably the best site for ergogenic and bodybuilding products, though I added up all the following supplements from another site and most are the brand Vitacost, which I have had great luck with their products in the past. For under 250 dollars I have a lot of the product that will last over a year of staples.Jarrow's B-Right complex is pretty solid also and is very reasonable
Atrogin-1 affects muscle protein synthesis and degradation when energy metabolism is impaired by the antidiabetes drug berberine.We also found that pretreatment with combined LA and ALC increased mitochondrial biogenesis and decreased production of reactive oxygen species through the up-regulation of the peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-gamma coactivator 1alpha as a possible underlying mechanism.
Interesting as I heard many suggesting taking it before bed and Ina. Fasted state to take advantage of some PPar fat burning.I am actually aware of this study and always keep it in the back of my mind when evaluating usage of berberine. While I haven't looked far enough into it to see if we can extrapolate data from healthy rats (note that normal rats also suffered) to healthy humans, I would still co-administer Na-R-ALA with berberine irrespective of berberine's potential side effects. It is also why, despite berberine's numerous other benefits on overall health, I would never recommend it unless presented in the context of a carb-laden cheat meal in which inhibiting carbohydrate absorption is the goal.
I've heard people say the same of other GDAs and I don't get it.Interesting as I heard many suggesting taking it before bed and Ina. Fasted state to take advantage of some PPar fat burning.
Thanks bro. You da man.I searched for what mattrag may be talking about and I found a write-up on why anabolic pump should be taken preworkout. I'll comment later, but the extrapolations and physiological significance are....iffy, to put it nicely.
I can't speak for Dr. Houser, but I think they should be staples, with ALCAR and LCLT at the forefront and PLCAR a close second.So everyone pretty much agrees on this thread that ALCAR and LCLT should be staples along with another Carnitine source starting with a P... Maybe PLCAR...? Something along those lines.
Is there a supplement containing all 3 or is everyone individually buying these?
I'm looking at getting those along with Na-R-Ala... Any brand recommendations of such supps that are being used would be great.
Thank you to the Doc,Coop and all others contributing to this thread! I've learned a lot!