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Are BCAAs even necessary

Jameson653

Jameson653

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I take in about 1.2g of protein per pound of body weight, but I have heard that BCAAs before and after a workout can help. Is there any reason to buy these or is it just a waste of money. Also casein before bed, actually helpful compared to whey or doesn't matter. I am cutting right now if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance
 
Some people love them and swear by them, others say just get your protein in and your good.

Food for thought:

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Personally I use them when cutting, but that's cause money isn't a big issue. If money's an issue they wouldn't be on my list, plenty of BCAA's in food/whey.
 
yea I am attempting fasting cardio for the first time to remove some stubborn body fat. I am trying yohimbine HCL for the first time fasted for the cardio and was thinking about BCAAs for when I am fasted, but I wonder if BCAA supplements raise insulin levels???
 
Jameson653 said:
yea I am attempting fasting cardio for the first time to remove some stubborn body fat. I am trying yohimbine HCL for the first time fasted for the cardio and was thinking about BCAAs for when I am fasted, but I wonder if BCAA supplements raise insulin levels???
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The rise in insulin levels won't matter once exercise ensues. In short, it's fine to dose yohimbine and BCAAs before cardio.
 
i keep hearing that leucine alone is the most important any credit to this?
 
mattys4 said:
so would it help to get a bcaa powder thats more than 2:1:1
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I wouldn't say that i think 2:1 works, you can always buy bulk bcaa powder or bulk leucine and add it to things. BCAA's leucine is whats proven to be effective but everything else in BCAA's isn't useless either though.
 
Jameson653 said:
yea I am attempting fasting cardio for the first time to remove some stubborn body fat. I am trying yohimbine HCL for the first time fasted for the cardio and was thinking about BCAAs for when I am fasted, but I wonder if BCAA supplements raise insulin levels???
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Just for you :)

**Benefits of BCAA's**
-Increase Insulin Sensitivity (your cutting right? then this would benefit you greatly)
-Increases Protein Synthesis
-Suppresses Cortisol
-Aids in Growth Hormone

*All of the above will aid in building muscle, maintaining muscle, burning fat, and helps your body use your carbohydrates go towards your goal.*
 
DMAA + Green Tea Extract + Fasted Cardio = Shredded and Sexy! :)
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Don't bother with casein pre-bed.
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Mr. C,

Can you elaborate on this? I thought this was once the tried and true method of protein dosing before bedtime. This is no longer the case? Looks like the casein I have left is going to be the last. My supplement cabinet has gone under much renovation since reading your advice!
 
DJBeanPole said:
Mr. C,

Can you elaborate on this? I thought this was once the tried and true method of protein dosing before bedtime. This is no longer the case? QUOTE]


I second this, casein b4 sleep is no better than whey even with its very slow digestion makes it anti catabolic, vs wheys quick digestion
I thought casein was king b4 bedtime and in prolonged periods of not eating ?
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DJBeanPole said:
Mr. C,

Can you elaborate on this? I thought this was once the tried and true method of protein dosing before bedtime. This is no longer the case? Looks like the casein I have left is going to be the last. My supplement cabinet has gone under much renovation since reading your advice!
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Net energy balance will determine how much muscle is catabolized in any given period of time. But even if we put that notion aside:

-Casein may actually be inferior to whey protein. When taken in large amounts (i.e. a pure casein shake), it forms a significant amount of paracasein that goes undigested and leaves you with a big bathroom trip the following morning.
-The migrating motor complex can override casein agglutination in the stomach.
-Digestion rate studies are very limited, and the one's that we have show that casein digests at a mere 2g per hour faster than whey.
-Combining whey or any whole food protein with the slightest bit of fat, fiber, etc will not only mimic casein as far as amino acid release, but possibly slow down AA release beyond that of casein.

^^None of those points even matter (except the paracasein one) given that "windows" of energy flux really don't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Net energy balance will determine anabolism vs catabolism; these two processes are ongoing and the "net" change is what determines whether you gain or lose weight/muscle.
 
While we're on the BCAA subject ..I have been trying the leangains approach and take a BCAA dose at around hour 12 of the fast ...is this counter productive??? I just figured it would help with muscle rebuild during that time ...
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Net energy balance will determine how much muscle is catabolized in any given period of time. But even if we put that notion aside:

-Casein may actually be inferior to whey protein. When taken in large amounts (i.e. a pure casein shake), it forms a significant amount of paracasein that goes undigested and leaves you with a big bathroom trip the following morning.
-The migrating motor complex can override casein agglutination in the stomach.
-Digestion rate studies are very limited, and the one's that we have show that casein digests at a mere 2g per hour faster than whey.
-Combining whey or any whole food protein with the slightest bit of fat, fiber, etc will not only mimic casein as far as amino acid release, but possibly slow down AA release beyond that of casein.

^^None of those points even matter (except the paracasein one) given that "windows" of energy flux really don't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Net energy balance will determine anabolism vs catabolism; these two processes are ongoing and the "net" change is what determines whether you gain or lose weight/muscle.
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Sorry just saw this reply after i made my above post.

Did you mean to say that off the studies of digestion rate that casein digests a mere 2g per hour SLOWER than whey?

simply put casein can induce a bowel movement from using it at bedtimes?

But if one wishes to use casein at bedtime its still in theory supposed to be more anti catabolic than whey due to its albeit slower digestion, and it wont do no harm to use casein at this time?
(i cant eat whole protein at bedtimes so i need to use a protein supplement)

Thanks MC
 
Scivations Xtend is one supp I've come to love. Keeps you from getting the mid-workout "shakes" (glycogen depletion). I believe BCAA's do spike your insulin but, if I'm not mistaken, it's not quite the same as eating a glazed donut/a high GI food.(?)
 
I sip mine around work out times and sometimes during the day at work...
When I can't get food on a steady basis I sip on them.
 
miniarnold said:
Sorry just saw this reply after i made my above post.

Did you mean to say that off the studies of digestion rate that casein digests a mere 2g per hour SLOWER than whey?

simply put casein can induce a bowel movement from using it at bedtimes?

But if one wishes to use casein at bedtime its still in theory supposed to be more anti catabolic than whey due to its albeit slower digestion, and it wont do no harm to use casein at this time?
(i cant eat whole protein at bedtimes so i need to use a protein supplement)

Thanks MC
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x2 Casein for the win
 
I continue finding myself running back to Xtend every summer. I love the results and love the summer taste! Ice cold xtend ftw! Wellp...at least until iForce Compete comes out! Then it's a whole new ball-game!!!
 
th3futur3 said:
I continue finding myself running back to Xtend every summer. I love the results and love the summer taste! Ice cold xtend ftw! Wellp...at least until iForce Compete comes out! Then it's a whole new ball-game!!!
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What is this iForce Compete you talk about?
 
BriceBurnsRed said:
Scivations Xtend is one supp I've come to love. Keeps you from getting the mid-workout "shakes" (glycogen depletion). I believe BCAA's do spike your insulin but, if I'm not mistaken, it's not quite the same as eating a glazed donut/a high GI food.(?)
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So with this ^^^^^^^is it advisable that I stop taking it mid fast ???
 
miniarnold said:
Sorry just saw this reply after i made my above post.

Did you mean to say that off the studies of digestion rate that casein digests a mere 2g per hour SLOWER than whey?

simply put casein can induce a bowel movement from using it at bedtimes?

But if one wishes to use casein at bedtime its still in theory supposed to be more anti catabolic than whey due to its albeit slower digestion, and it wont do no harm to use casein at this time?
(i cant eat whole protein at bedtimes so i need to use a protein supplement)

Thanks MC
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Yep, I meant slower. Sorry, the reply was quite rushed as I'm very busy today.

The bowel movement was added for effect; paracasein is essentially "wasted" protein.

Using casein pre-bed will do no harm, but my point is that it is not beneficial.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'd consider using BCAAs if cutting and fasted. Don't bother with casein pre-bed.
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agreed. I pretty much mainly just use BCAA's while in one of these states. I found it to be quite effective while dieting and maintaining a consistent caloric deficit.

WPD111 said:
While we're on the BCAA subject ..I have been trying the leangains approach and take a BCAA dose at around hour 12 of the fast ...is this counter productive??? I just figured it would help with muscle rebuild during that time ...
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I'm doing LG diet now and do the same but I couple the BCAA intake with moderate intensity cardio (as working at 60% of your VO2 max is the most effective range for fat oxidation). The exercise induced release of catecholamines will blunt the potential rise in insulin levels.
 
kingjhameskjf said:
agreed. I pretty much mainly just use BCAA's while in one of these states. I found it to be quite effective while dieting and maintaining a consistent caloric deficit.



I'm doing LG diet now and do the same but I couple the BCAA intake with moderate intensity cardio (as working at 60% of your VO2 max is the most effective range for fat oxidation). The exercise induced release of catecholamines will blunt the potential rise in insulin levels.
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I'd love to so the same but this is the middle if my work day and can't. Should i stop without cardio?
 
WPD111 said:
I'd love to so the same but this is the middle if my work day and can't. Should i stop without cardio?
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Coop may be able to give you a better answer, but IMO, I think if you keep the dose low and at the effective range of ~.5g per kg of BW for leucine content, then the rise in insulin will be minor and short lived, whereas many carb sources can effectively blunt fat oxidation for 2-3 hours after ingestion. This equates to an average of 3.5-5 g of leucine in a BCAA complex. Also, in regards to LG, Markus (the LG creator) stated that if your caloric intake was under 40 calories (IIRC), then it will have negligible impact. Some people with LG don't take any bcaa's throughout the day and still have success so you could try both ways and see if you notice any appreciable difference.
 
WPD111 said:
Thanks .king james
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No problem! The way I have my 16/8 feeding split set up, I take my BCAA's in the morning with my select fat burners. Namely, yohimbine, RK-500, TTA, Green Tea Extract, and Reduce XT. I will then try to do LISS cardio for ~30-60 minutes. If I'm short on time I'll just hold off till I get to work. I'm lucky in a way since I intern at a Physical Therapy office and it's dead during lunch (which is still during my fasting time) so I jump on a treadmill or something and do it there.
 
i use it mostly during my workouts.. a little before.. and when i cut sometimes throughout the day...really good when cutting calories
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Yep, I meant slower. Sorry, the reply was quite rushed as I'm very busy today.

The bowel movement was added for effect; paracasein is essentially "wasted" protein.

Using casein pre-bed will do no harm, but my point is that it is not beneficial.
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Just asked as its never seemed to help me with a bm,
so you just dont think its any really better than whey at bedtime given that slower digesting is apparantly better then?
 
So what brand and which product of BCAAS are the best, are they powdered or capped?
Never used them b4, may use them pre and post workout if actually beneficial ?
 
Since we are in the subject of bcaa's anyone tried blox by bpi? It' s silk eaa's. It's suppose to be in perfect sequence to be absorb by the body, so u can have greater absorbation.
 
I think of things essential to your body such as EFA's (such as arachidonic acid) and EAAs (including leucine) are necessary for hard training athletes.

The same is true of anything depleted from your body, macro and micro nutrients in general and more specific things such as creatine and arachidonic acid are known to be depleted, hence supplementing with them to maintain saturation is a TERRIFIC idea.
 
miniarnold said:
So what brand and which product of BCAAS are the best, are they powdered or capped?
Never used them b4, may use them pre and post workout if actually beneficial ?
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Bulk BCAAs are the most cost effective and yes they are beneficial pre and post workout.
 
Jameson653 said:
I take in about 1.2g of protein per pound of body weight, but I have heard that BCAAs before and after a workout can help. Is there any reason to buy these or is it just a waste of money. Also casein before bed, actually helpful compared to whey or doesn't matter. I am cutting right now if that makes any difference. Thanks in advance
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I always use BCAAs even though I get a good amount of protein in per day. I like to do my BCAAs intra workout. As for the Casein before bed, the thought is that it is a slower released protein so as to get you through the night. I do like it as wel.

Feel fre to PM me for some free samples of our BCAAs
 
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