Pretty sure the supp game is just one big hoodwink

bigdavid said:
If what you got for 3 weeks of product was the same price for a full 4 weeks id prob buy their products still lol
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Yeah that 3 week stuff is kinda weird maybe a marketing ploy to get people to do 6 weeks and spend more money.
 
AaronJP1 said:
Yeah that 3 week stuff is kinda weird maybe a marketing ploy to get people to do 6 weeks and spend more money.
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They claim 3 weeks is long enough for your body to respond but more than three weeks at a time is too much and your body gets used to the ingredients... I completely disagree they just do it that way so they can act like you are getting 4 weeks for a good price when at reality at 3 weeks it is high... no product should be used for only three weeks in a row imo that's not maximizing anything (at least none of the products they sell)
 
:lol:

Guess what we are talking about goes right back to topic haha
 
body building supps would go a million miles toward credibility in my book if they'd invest a little more in the packaging.... whatever happened to brown glass bottles being the standard for high end reputable companies??
 
grngoloco said:
body building supps would go a million miles toward credibility in my book if they'd invest a little more in the packaging.... whatever happened to brown glass bottles being the standard for high end reputable companies??
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I guess I'm old.... but in the 80's and 90's that was how I would decide if a company was worthy of my money
 
BPjohn123 said:
Would you say that universal's stuff fits in that 10% of supps that doesn't suck? (you mentioned 90% were garbage)

=)
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Do I need them no.

I can tell u if we are speaking to proteins, m stak, and the creatine that would fit perfectly into the 10%
 
AaronJP1 said:
Do I need them no.

I can tell u if we are speaking to proteins, m stak, and the creatine that would fit perfectly into the 10%
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So ur saying Purus fits the other 90? Lol
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
So ur saying Beast & Taurus fits the other 90? Lol
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exactly ;)
 
grngoloco said:
I guess I'm old.... but in the 80's and 90's that was how I would decide if a company was worthy of my money
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That's just a matter of packaging costs and available products. I remember the brown glass bottles at *** back in the day, but nowadays, plastic is just used everywhere. It's not nearly exclusive to the supplement industry, either. My "day job" is in the recycling industry, and you'd be surprised at how many ex-glass products there are out there. Glass just isn't economically feasible anymore. Plastic is easier and cheaper to produce, more recyclable, light-weight, and protects the product better. On the other hand, it's not eco-friendly. (But, you can recycle supp containers in most places that recycle plastics!!)

AaronJP1 said:
Do I need them? No.

I can tell you that if we are speaking about proteins, m stak, and the creatine, that would fit perfectly into the 10%.
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There you go, Chief.
 
We got an English teacher & a wise guy...

:lol:
 
grngoloco said:
body building supps would go a million miles toward credibility in my book if they'd invest a little more in the packaging.... whatever happened to brown glass bottles being the standard for high end reputable companies??
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Packaging just results in a higher cost to cover it. I'll trust the companies who have proven to be reputable and have given out solid information on their products.
 
Honestly yeah Creature is one of the best tasting / mixing things i have tried to date. the Nimbus stuff would be a close second if i had to say...
 
Bolanrox said:
Honestly yeah Creature is one of the best tasting / mixing things i have tried to date. the Nimbus stuff would be a close second if i had to say...
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Gracias sir
 
thats the truth my friend. also true that for me at least - it is too expensive for me, but if you have the money to spare and you like lemon lime. there is no better :)
 
Bolanrox said:
Honestly yeah Creature is one of the best tasting / mixing things i have tried to date. the Nimbus stuff would be a close second if i had to say...
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Do blow Flex head up ;)
 
MidwestBeast said:
Packaging just results in a higher cost to cover it. I'll trust the companies who have proven to be reputable and have given out solid information on their products.
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Light and air destroy nutrients.... and in terms of "actions speak louder than words" packaging indicates a company's desire to provide a quality product from beginning to end ..... if you package weed in a pill and list marijuana as the ingredient then publish everything science says about marijuana.... you as the consumer still won't know if it was picked immature, packaged wet and had all it's potency destroyed by mold ... nor will you know if it was quality endo or schwag mexican
 
grngoloco said:
Light and air destroy nutrients.... and in terms of "actions speak louder than words" packaging indicates a company's desire to provide a quality product from beginning to end ..... if you package weed in a pill and list marijuana as the ingredient then publish everything science says about marijuana.... you as the consumer still won't know if it was picked immature, packaged wet and had all it's potency destroyed by mold ... nor will you know if it was quality endo or schwag mexican
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I've gotten some quality supps in a bag.
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
I've gotten some quality supps in a bag.
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I've been in the Supp game since the 80's... owned a vitamin and herb catalog business from '89-'95... picked up a few pet peeves and habits along the way... not saying other people are wrong and I'm always right,,, but I'll spend more and choose glass over plastic every time I can..... my other habit is I refrigerate all my supps,,, have a dedicated fridge just for them
 
I agree with you on how it can be perceived, but I think the majority of customers would say "save me the $X that packaging would cost and just give me the quality product." Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's just my assumption.

Also, I am unfamiliar with this pot-drol that you speak of.

:laugh:

edit: thought of a better one - hempistane
 
MidwestBeast said:
I agree with you on how it can be perceived, but I think the majority of customers would say "save me the $X that packaging would cost and just give me the quality product." Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's just my assumption.

Also, I am unfamiliar with this pot-drol that you speak of.

:laugh:

edit: thought of a better one - hempistane
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Branched Chained Amino Acid
 
FL3X MAGNUM said:
Branched Chained Amino Acid
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What I'm not sure of is how fragile aminos, proteins and most prohormones/designer steroids are,,, I do know that anything water soluble is more fragile,,, such that I never buy tablets because the press generates nutrient destroying heat,,, I realize I'm pickier and more anal than the vast majority of folks,, but expensive toilet water pïsses me off!!! LOL!!!
 
breezy11 said:
My previous response
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I took Axiron for a month, and it put my LH and T in the normal zone. I never went back to the doctor though. I tried to research high LH, figuring I could have a testicular problem, but nothing I read (all of which I admittedly had trouble understanding) said "high LH = a testicular problem". Obviously I heard the testicular-LH connection somewhere in addition to here, but I could never find anything concrete that told me I better get it checked further. And once the Axiron lowered it, I figured it was just testosterone-related and nothing more serious.
 
rb624 said:
I took Axiron for a month, and it put my LH and T in the normal zone. I never went back to the doctor though. I tried to research high LH, figuring I could have a testicular problem, but nothing I read (all of which I admittedly had trouble understanding) said "high LH = a testicular problem". Obviously I heard the testicular-LH connection somewhere in addition to here, but I could never find anything concrete that told me I better get it checked further. And once the Axiron lowered it, I figured it was just testosterone-related and nothing more serious.
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This might be helpful:
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If its a concern to you or you want some feedback you could post in the anti aging forum.
 
MidwestBeast said:
I agree with you on how it can be perceived, but I think the majority of customers would say "save me the $X that packaging would cost and just give me the quality product." Maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's just my assumption.

Also, I am unfamiliar with this pot-drol that you speak of.

:laugh:

edit: thought of a better one - hempistane
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Un-subbed
 
rb624 said:
I took Axiron for a month, and it put my LH and T in the normal zone. I never went back to the doctor though. I tried to research high LH, figuring I could have a testicular problem, but nothing I read (all of which I admittedly had trouble understanding) said "high LH = a testicular problem". Obviously I heard the testicular-LH connection somewhere in addition to here, but I could never find anything concrete that told me I better get it checked further. And once the Axiron lowered it, I figured it was just testosterone-related and nothing more serious.
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The thing is the body has a regulatory system that not only checks for overproduction of test but normally it also checks for underproduction (abusing aas can mess this up).

Lets assume you haven't taken aas. Remember that testosterone is not made in the pituitary - it's made in the testies. The HPGA basically works to maintain an equilibrium of test in the body. Also remember that the way test is made, to speak simply, is such: gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) is made in the hypothalamus; under the right conditions this stimulates the pituitary to make luteinizing hormone (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone; these travel to the testies, and under the right conditions LH leads to a production of testosterone by the Leydig cells.

If the body is presented with a low test environment, it will want to make more. So, the HPGA responds, and eventually makes LH which goes to the testies to signal them to make more test. If you have a problem in the testies that they don't respond to this LH efficiently, then the body will produce even more LH to cause more "inadequate" test production until serum test levels are "high enough." At this point you would have high LH but relatively low test, suggestive of the problem alluded to by breezy.
 
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