is PLCAR worth it?

its amazing, i've been running it along with ALCAR for the last 40 days, just opened my 2nd 100g tub of the plcar :)
 
^ I would avoid running ALCAR with PLCAR. Although they have their benefits, the combination has been shown to be inferior than either alone for certain benefits. Try alternating between alcar and plcar cycles...I love it.

OP, PLCAR is the only carnitine that can directly elevate muscle carnitine stores. Further, it has been shown to combat general fatigue and may increase natural energy.
 
TLCAR is also good stuff. But they all have different uses, and I wouldn't use them all together. I don't know why, but they don't work as well when combined.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
^ I would avoid running ALCAR with PLCAR. Although they have their benefits, the combination has been shown to be inferior than either alone for certain benefits. Try alternating between alcar and plcar cycles...I love it.
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Have you got any more info on this? Everything i've read has always hyped the two together :(
 
mr.cooper69 said:
^ I would avoid running ALCAR with PLCAR. Although they have their benefits, the combination has been shown to be inferior than either alone for certain benefits. Try alternating between alcar and plcar cycles...I love it.

OP, PLCAR is the only carnitine that can directly elevate muscle carnitine stores. Further, it has been shown to combat general fatigue and may increase natural energy.
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You always seem to impress me hahah. Good stuff man.
 
Chub said:
Have you got any more info on this? Everything i've read has always hyped the two together :(
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Not from what I've seen.

Probably the best thing to take with ALCAR is NA-RALA.

Almost everywhere I've read, says not to take PLCAR and ALCAR together.
 
I really like plcar but it's not the cheapest. Really I use about .5-1g prework out with coffee and again before work in a propel as I drive in.

It is not a pre work out type energy. Closer to a vitB6 or bowl of oats type energy. I find I can think quicker and more clearly as well.
 
Chub said:
Have you got any more info on this? Everything i've read has always hyped the two together :(
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I'm very pressed for time these next few days, but I'll try to get it to you next week. The study was with respect to testosterone-like effects (which believe it or, ALCAR and PLCAR can produce in lacking individuals if administered longterm).
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'm very pressed for time these next few days, but I'll try to get it to you next week. The study was with respect to testosterone-like effects (which believe it or, ALCAR and PLCAR can produce in lacking individuals if administered longterm).
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no rush! i'll do some looking around :) It'll work out cheaper for me too if i start cycling them.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'm very pressed for time these next few days, but I'll try to get it to you next week. The study was with respect to testosterone-like effects (which believe it or, ALCAR and PLCAR can produce in lacking individuals if administered longterm).
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I would be interested in this as well.
 
Did a quick search and stumbled upon this

PMID:15072869

Still looking though as thats not really helpful. They found the combo of alcar and plcar did not significantly effect total and free test levels but Coop mentioned "test like effect" (he didnt say actual test levels) so this probably isnt what he was referencing.

And then there was this one PMID 15039515

Which showed the effect the carnitines had on fatigue decreased when alcar and plcar were combine
 
Gutterpump said:
I think l-carnitine-l-tartarate has the greatest effect on test, since it upregulates the androgen receptors
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On the contrary, ALCAR likely has the most significant effects on testosterone: Invalid Link Removed. Upregulating ARs is of minimal concern in natural athletes.

Still could not locate the study I mentioned earlier. It is saved on my drive at school along with other carnitine research so I may just head there later today. Josh found another good one showing that the combination of carnitines may not be as beneficial as you think.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
On the contrary, ALCAR likely has the most significant effects on testosterone: Invalid Link Removed. Upregulating ARs is of minimal concern in natural athletes.

Still could not locate the study I mentioned earlier. It is saved on my drive at school along with other carnitine research so I may just head there later today. Josh found another good one showing that the combination of carnitines may not be as beneficial as you think.
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I vaguely remember reading something that hinted PLCAR being superior for testosterone levels. I only remember because it seemed odd to me and thinking it may have been possibly the propionyl acted as a BCAA and thats why an effect on testosterone levels were seen.

I tried to find it again but couldnt :( it may have been an article and not an actual study
 
JudoJosh said:
I vaguely remember reading something that hinted PLCAR being superior for testosterone levels. I only remember because it seemed odd to me and thinking it may have been possibly the propionyl acted as a BCAA and thats why an effect on testosterone levels were seen.

I tried to find it again but couldnt :( it may have been an article and not an actual study
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I have read that too. The caveat is that it was administered for 6 straight months at 2g/day.

ALCAR is my personal favorite, but it also goes along with my lifestyle. With alcohol, ALCAR serves a dual function of preventing neurodegeneration while also normalizing testosterone levels in response to a negative external stimulus. Also, while this could be placebo, 2g alcar the morning after drinking appears to lessen the effects of the hangover :D.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I have read that too. The caveat is that it was administered for 6 straight months at 2g/day.

ALCAR is my personal favorite, but it also goes along with my lifestyle. With alcohol, ALCAR serves a dual function of preventing neurodegeneration while also normalizing testosterone levels in response to a negative external stimulus. Also, while this could be placebo, 2g alcar the morning after drinking appears to lessen the effects of the hangover :D.
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that's weird because i've found ALCAR to give me significantly worse hangovers. it's bad enough that i won't touch ALCAR until i feel completely normal again. i want to also add that i'm a huge fan of ALCAR and that has been the only downside that i've found to it.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
^ I would avoid running ALCAR with PLCAR. Although they have their benefits, the combination has been shown to be inferior than either alone for certain benefits. Try alternating between alcar and plcar cycles...I love it.

OP, PLCAR is the only carnitine that can directly elevate muscle carnitine stores. Further, it has been shown to combat general fatigue and may increase natural energy.
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Does this hold true for other forms of Carnitine or just ALCAR + PLCAR? (was aware of this but hadn't I am not sure if I have seen anything regarding the combination of others)

As for the OP. I love PLCAR. Regularly toss some of it in with my Ultima and love the added benefits.
 
bolt10 said:
Does this hold true for other forms of Carnitine or just ALCAR + PLCAR? (was aware of this but hadn't I am not sure if I have seen anything regarding the combination of others)

As for the OP. I love PLCAR. Regularly toss some of it in with my Ultima and love the added benefits.
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It should not apply to the other carnitines. Obviously there is overlap between GPLC and PLCAR, but that's as far as it goes.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
It should not apply to the other carnitines. Obviously there is overlap between GPLC and PLCAR, but that's as far as it goes.
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Alright that is what I thought. Thanks I'd rep you but I hardly rep anyone so it still says I gotta spread my rep around :rolleyes:
 
Coop, u mention cycling carnitine use.. I've been on 1.5-2g alcar daily for about a year now.. Should I come off for a bit? If so, Should I expect any negative sides?

Most importantly- Could the long term use be negatively affective test/androgen levels?
 
chedapalooza said:
Coop, u mention cycling carnitine use.. I've been on 1.5-2g alcar daily for about a year now.. Should I come off for a bit? If so, Should I expect any negative sides?

Most importantly- Could the long term use be negatively affective test/androgen levels?
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Cycle off for a month.
No negative sides.
It wouldn't affect androgen levels if you come off it (unless there is some HEAVY external stressor which I doubt you have).
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Cycle off for a month.
No negative sides.
It wouldn't affect androgen levels if you come off it (unless there is some HEAVY external stressor which I doubt you have).
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K my bottle Is almost gone so I guess I shall.

Define heavy external stressor? Lol does life count?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Just cycle off lol. You should be cycling everything
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Sorry for turning this into the Carnitine Ask Coop thread...but, is this implying cycling off all carnitines of just cycling between the different forms? I tend to cycle between forms, and therefore haven't cycled completely off like in awhile like I try to with everything (LCLT seems to be the new BA or creatine being in everything now a days from pres to intras etc).
 
bolt10 said:
Sorry for turning this into the Carnitine Ask Coop thread...but, is this implying cycling off all carnitines of just cycling between the different forms? I tend to cycle between forms, and therefore haven't cycled completely off like in awhile like I try to with everything (LCLT seems to be the new BA or creatine being in everything now a days from pres to intras etc).
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Yeah you can just cycle off the individual salts. It may be beneficial to take carnitine in some form in the long-long-run.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Yeah you can just cycle off the individual salts. It may be beneficial to take carnitine in some form in the long-long-run.
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Alright that makes me feel better.
 
thebigt said:
@sns8778
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Ha. The last post in this thread was from 2012 :p

For anyone wondering why thebigt bumped this it's because we were discussing PLCAR in another thread and why SNS had discontinued it - and the reason was because PLCAR was an ingredient that people frequently talked about but it never translated over into being a good seller. And because PLCAR is very sticky during the capsulation process it's a nightmare in production so most contract manufacturers require a very large run to be willing to make it. That translates into a company having a lot of money tied up in a slow selling product. However, I do think PLCAR is a great ingredient; unfortunately sales just didn't translate over into allowing it to remain a single ingredient sku.

I kind of speed read through this thread and it seemed like the issue with people saying not to mix ALCAR and PLCAR was specifically pertaining to the combination not being as strong for testosterone boosting purposes as high dosing ALCAR alone. My comment on that is that I wouldn't be using either (nor do we or did we ever market either) as being testosterone boosters and if that's what someone is/was looking for, they're probably better to choose a different ingredient anyway. For nootropic purposes, I love ALCAR but I see no reason that people looking for a variety of effects should be hesitant to mix the two. Just my opinion.
 
Still one of the best ingredients I ever brought to the industry but, yeah, it's a pain to work with. At some point I'll probably grab another drum and sell plain old powder, but I'm waiting on some news first.
 
I have tried and tried to find PLCAR - without success. Yes, I would buy it - darn right I would.
 
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Still one of the best ingredients I ever brought to the industry but, yeah, it's a pain to work with. At some point I'll probably grab another drum and sell plain old powder, but I'm waiting on some news first.
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Good to see you back out and posting
 
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